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13-11-2019, 09:46   #31
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I always trust your opinion on this forum, always the voice of reason but have you any links to explain the artic/Greenland ice melt or lack there off?
I'm not doubting you but all mainstream media is saying the opposite.
I'd be interested in seeing the data for myself.
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Can you back this up please? There was a very good documentary last night from Greenland , local commercial fishermen interviewed. There was clearly no ice or snow right now, in November , where previously seas would have been frozen. Sledge dogs tied up as no snow for sledge transport , halibut fish weighing only 3kg now where a decade ago they weighed 10 kg, this is due to lack of natural food as marine species are dying off .

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Here's the full annual minimum Arctic sea ice volume dataset for the satellite era, with the trend for the past decade. In any case, sea ice has practically zero contribution to sea level.






Extent is similar. All data here.






Greenland melt area has reduced over the past decade. From here and here.










Regarding Greenland fisheries, was that piece actually shot now in November? I didn't see it. In any case, the subpolar gyre is anomalously cold over the past several years and may be signalling the decline in the positive AMO we've had since the mid-'90s.
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13-11-2019, 09:51   #32
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When this country is pushing an agenda as hard as this you can be sure it sees pound signs somewhere. Tax,tax,tax and Joe public will be the ones paying.
There's a damn sight more profit to be made from digging up the earth's dwindling resources, processing them, manufacturing into crap there is no real need for, and selling them on to a consumer who has been trained to incessantly purchase stuff,
AND leaving it to that same purchaser to discard the whole bag of tricks, somehow.

That oil to make those plastic clothes, packets, toys, furniture etc doesn't go back into the oilwells, you know.

Fracking in your corner of Ireland? Fancy it?

Ask yourself, who makes the biggest profit here?
Climate scientists in some underfunded university? Or huge corporations who need to go on selling?

Loss of bio-diversity is barely visible because it is slow, gradual, subtle.
But it does have downstream effects.
Food will get more expensive. Transport also. Watch this space!
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. . . You couldn't make it up - except they do ....
The politically correct term for what RTE did is disinformation and fake news. They are abusing trusted authoritative voices like Gerald Fleming and their own standing as the Irish states public service broadcaster to foist an agenda on the Irish public that is unsupported by empirical data and relies on biased projections generated by people using computerised models and graphics. The fact that these are computer simulations with a track record for inaccuracy is never explained to the public.
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I dunno lads, thermal expansion is an issue as well as ice melting. As the sea gets warmer the water expands and obviously sea levels rise.

There are a lot of predictions of a 1 metre sea level rise by 2100, so 400mm by 2050 is plausible.

Add a metre to below and RTE's images are not far wrong.



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The politically correct term for what RTE did is disinformation and fake news. They are abusing trusted authoritative voices like Gerald Fleming and their own standing as the Irish states public service broadcaster to foist an agenda on the Irish public that is unsupported by empirical data and relies on biased projections generated by people using computerised models and graphics. The fact that these are computer simulations with a track record for inaccuracy is never explained to the public.



Here is the data since 1993, if it stays on the same path or accelerates remains to be seen.
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There's a damn sight more profit to be made from digging up the earth's dwindling resources, processing them, manufacturing into crap there is no real need for, and selling them on to a consumer who has been trained to incessantly purchase stuff,
AND leaving it to that same purchaser to discard the whole bag of tricks, somehow.
There is an expression where there is muck there is brass, there is an industry dealing with the output from your personal consumption. Minerals stuck in the ground are no good to anyone, compare your personal standard of living with that of your ancestors, you live better than royalty did in centuries past.

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That oil to make those plastic clothes, packets, toys, furniture etc doesn't go back into the oilwells, you know.
It all gets recycled back into the planets ecosystem over time. In the meantime you use it to keep warm, manufacture the tools you need for survival, the medicine, the fertiliser and the fabrics to keep warm and dry on your cycle to work.

Simulated sunlight reveals how 98% of plastics at sea go missing each year


Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds


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Fracking in your corner of Ireland? Fancy it?
It is banned today on this Island, but when it gets the go ahead it will take place in an area known as the Northwest Ireland Carboniferous Basin which has been identified as a shale rich area, this comprises parts of Fermanagh, Cavan, Sligo, Leitrim, Donegal and Roscommon.


It case you have not realised your electricity generation is department on gas to maintain a stable grid. 71% of Ireland's electricity supply was generated from natural gas in July 2018. Once the Kinsale and Corrib fields are exhausted - what then? Only a matter of time before the current lobbies are overruled by economic necessity.


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Ask yourself, who makes the biggest profit here?
Climate scientists in some underfunded university? Or huge corporations who need to go on selling?
And what is the purpose of profit? It is a market mechanism to inform people where products are needed most and profit is transient, just as loss is there to tell people stop wasting resources. Most of the "climate scientists" who have been promoting doom over the past decades have an abysmal track record in predicting future weather patterns and environmental impact and have been reduced to using their biased computer models as props to hide their lack of knowledge. The universities who promote junk science are currently being compensated at a level unsupported by their results. If they could accurately predict the future their track record would support them and so would their funding. They have no grounds for complaint.


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Loss of bio-diversity is barely visible because it is slow, gradual, subtle.
But it does have downstream effects.
Food will get more expensive. Transport also. Watch this space!
You cannot explain how loss of bio-diversity is connected to the price of food or transport. I am watching that space and with Europe loosing 1,000 farms per day it is not lack of biodiversity driving up prices, the farmers of the Netherlands and Germany have something to say about people with two pot plants in the window sill dictating how to run their business. In fact our food generation is dependent on select species of plants like wheat and rice and animals like cattle, pigs and sheep all of which have been selectively bred over thousands of years to support the human population. Letting this island become overrun with forest and reintroducing wolves is a recipe for poverty and destruction of human life.

The notion that humans are alien to the planets ecosystems and must be reduced to a select few is at the core of your posting it is the ideology of the extinction rebellion cult
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Here is the data since 1993, if it stays on the same path or accelerates remains to be seen.
Even those numbers don't support the 300mm to 400 mm figures allegedly quoted by Gerald Fleming nor does that level support apocalyptic computer generated images of flooding in O'Connell Street as promoted in that RTE program.
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Even those numbers don't support the 300mm to 400 mm figures allegedly quoted by Gerald Fleming nor does that level support apocalyptic computer generated images of flooding in O'Connell Street as promoted in that RTE program.
If that trend continues then it would be ~265mm in 80 years and ~100mm by 2050.

"They" are predicting an acceleration in sea level rises from here.

"They" being articles on the internet, of which there are many, its hard to know which ones to believe though.

The sea will need to go from rising 3.3mm a year to 13.3mm per year on average.
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If that trend continues then it would be ~265mm in 80 years and ~100mm by 2050.

"They" are predicting an acceleration in sea level rises from here.

"They" being articles on the internet, of which there are many, its hard to know which ones to believe though.

The sea will need to go from rising 3.3mm a year to 13.3mm per year on average.
Exactly, the problem you are wrestling with is how to measure sea level rise and fall and how those numbers are derived, it's not easy to measure this and the figures you are reporting are just assumptions. What are those assumptions we don't know? - but "they" have constructed a computer model based on the how they think the world works and fed it some data and then produced the number which then gets broadcast in the media. That number has no basis in reality i.e. when measured in the real world.


Another factor to consider centering on O'Connell Street and the quays is that is all reclaimed land. The original river crossing from which the name Baile Atha Cliath derives was supposedly around where Hueston station is today and the original Viking settlements from which the name Dublin (the true meaning is lost in time) derives were not where the Custom house is today which was mud flats then. That area is all reclaimed, built and maintained by human engineering, therefore there is an engineering solution to any flooding that may or may not occur in the future. There is no cause for alarm.
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Exactly, the problem you are wrestling with is how to measure sea level rise and fall and how those numbers are derived, it's not easy to measure this and the figures you are reporting are just assumptions. What are those assumptions we don't know? - but "they" have constructed a computer model based on the how they think the world works and fed it some data and then produced the number which then gets broadcast in the media. That number has no basis in reality i.e. when measured in the real world.


Another factor to consider centering on O'Connell Street and the quays is that is all reclaimed land. The original river crossing from which the name Baile Atha Cliath derives was supposedly around where Hueston station is today and the original Viking settlements from which the name Dublin (the true meaning is lost in time) derives were not where the Custom house is today which was mud flats then. That area is all reclaimed, built and maintained by human engineering, therefore there is an engineering solution to any flooding that may or may not occur in the future. There is no cause for alarm.
Jeez Pa....where do you think you're going posting here with your well-researched, logical, calm and reasoned responses??
What happened to your hyperbole, hysteria and hearsay button?!!
It seems your logic and reason has shut down the thread - they're all in shock!
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Fell asleep watching tonight's programme. I think since George took over the environment at Rte they've all gone into hyper mode. 10 years ago the economy had us doomed now it's global warming!! Lol
George 'Lorenzo' Lee.

My new name for him after his self indulgence for the 'hurricane' that had a max gust of 107km over Ireland.

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The weather we got this year will be different than the weather we get next year..the weather we got 10 years ago is different than we get now...the weather we got 50 years was different than the weather they got 100 years ago...the weather we got 200 years ago was different than they got 100 years ago....

The weather we get every year is different than the one before...It must be CLIMATE CHANGE

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Fell asleep watching tonight's programme. I think since George took over the environment at Rte they've all gone into hyper mode. 10 years ago the economy had us doomed now it's global warming!! Lol
No brexit to talk about
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Meanwhile in the US ...

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Ruthless cold breaks dozens of long-lasting records in major cities throughout the East
https://www.accuweather.com/en/weath...he-east/627067

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"A warming center is a heated facility where Chicago residents can go to find refuge from extreme cold weather conditions," the city wrote. "During the winter months, the Chicago Department of Family and Support Services (DFSS) operates six warming centers inside of the City’s six community service centers during work weekdays when temperatures dip below 32 degrees. Additional City facilities including, libraries, police stations or other structures might be made available after hours, on weekends, or on holidays, as conditions warrant."
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RTE is spending its money on tabloid style TV programmes in a bid to desperately increase viewer ratings. The stuff they are producing is truely worthy of a whole raft of Saturn Awards. Alongside the doomsday buses drowning on O'Connell Bridge and amongst other things we are also supposed to now take dietary advice from extremist plant food activists such as Dr Marco Springmann in their other recent screamers piece on planetary destruction - "What Planet are you on". The same show where participants get paid for their 'wokeness'. You couldnt make it up - except they do ....



I believe Al Gore came out with similar bs doomsday alarmism over a decade ago



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ear...-Untruths.html
This might sound like a stupid question, but those images they showed were meant to highlight that Dublin would permanently have this water level, ok?

So if the centre of Dublin was flooded all the time like that, why would you drive a double decker bus through it? How stupid are Dublin Bus??
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