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BusConnects Dublin - Big changes to Bus Network
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Not defending the dismantling of the tram system but if you look at the old maps a lot of the bends were only suitable for trams shorter than today's buses. If we still had the network a lot of it would be unusable. Dublin in 1930 had a population of 400,000, almost 1 million less than today. Places like Castleknock were small towns well outside the city, and the tram network reflected that.
But the system would hardly have stood still if left in place*, it would have evolved. Look at the tram system in Amsterdam say, it's moved with the times...
* - actually being Ireland T&Cs apply to that statement
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Cookie_Monster wrote: »But the system would hardly have stood still if left in place*, it would have evolved. Look at the tram system in Amsterdam say, it's moved with the times...
* - actually being Ireland T&Cs apply to that statement
That's because it was nearly entirely rebuilt after being nearly entirely removed. They only kept the lines where buses wouldn't fit originally0 -
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With respect no detail is given about individual bus routes.Tae laidir wrote: »Unfortunately, Feeder Buses are not mentioned at all in the report!
The network review is only starting now. Until we see what that suggests, we don't know if they will or will not be included. What we are promised is that the entire network is going to be redesigned.
You're taking the contents of that document far too literally - it's just meant as a simple guide. Not to be treated as the final output.
Wait until detailed proposals start appearing - then you can start to judge it properly.0 -
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Details of the BusConnects plan here:
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/BusConnects_Brochure_Final.pdf
While there is more detail to come (network redesign), I have to say overall it is all very welcome. It reads like pretty much everything we want to see from a modern, efficient bus service.
The main goals are:
- building a network of “next generation†bus corridors on the
busiest bus routes to make bus journeys faster, predictable
and reliable;
- introducing Bus Rapid Transit, a higher quality of bus system,
on three of the busiest corridors;
- completely redesigning the network of bus routes to provide
a more efficient network, connecting more places and
carrying more passengers;
- developing a state-of-the-art ticketing system using credit
and debit cards or mobile phones to link with payment
accounts and making payment much more convenient;
- implementing a cashless payment system to vastly speed up
passenger boarding times;
- revamping the fare system to provide a simpler fare
structure, allowing seamless movement between different
transport services without financial penalty;
- implementing a new bus livery providing a modern look and
feel to the new bus system;
- rolling out new bus stops with better signage and
information and increasing the provision of additional bus
shelters; and
- transitioning - starting now - to a new bus fleet using low-
emission vehicle technologies.
Only the third point above is affected by the network review, which doesn't seem to include the 3 new BRT routes, nor the core 11 QBC routes:Our objective is to develop these eleven radial bus corridors
and three orbital bus corridors so that each will have continuous
bus priority – in other words, a continuous bus lane in each
direction. This “next generation†of bus corridors will deliver a
transformation in the performance of these routes, making it
easier and quicker for you to come and go by bus, whether your
journey is related to your job, your studies, or your social life and
family life.
....
Achieving this will, in some instances, require a widening of
the road and changes to parking arrangements, but the end
result will not just be better services for bus passengers, but will
benefit all users of the corridor.
Very welcome. We have seen how the bus gate has benefited us and how widening the road at the Cat & Cage in Drumcondra was a massive success. More such projects and removal of onstreet car parking to give more space and priority to buses is highly welcome.
BTW for the planned Radial route that runs along Griffith Avenue, I don't know why they don't have it continuing along the Eastern end of Griffith Avenue.
On ticketing:This will require a move to either a “tag-on†and “tag-off†facility,
similar to Luas and DART, or a single “flat fare†approach in
order to reduce the need to interact with the driver for fare
payments.
Haha, it feels like the authors of this report are literally reading my mind. I have to send the NTA my consultancy fee
On the new bus livery:
I do understand then need for a Neutral, non DB livery, however I have to say I hate the look of the new NTA livery as shown in this document.
On bus stops:All operators will adopt this style and the current assortment of poles at multi-operator stops will be removed.
Very welcome.
On low emission buses:The exact low emission technology remains to be determined.
Research is currently on-going into electric bus solutions, with
the technology evolving rapidly and several manufacturers now
bringing different vehicle options to market. Compressed natural
gas / biogas are relatively mature technologies which are now
extensively available to bus fleets.
As part of the BusConnects project, a decision on the optimum
fleet technology will be made by the end of 2017, and either
a single technology or a combination will be selected. A fleet
acquisition plan will be developed to transition the bus fleet to
low emission vehicle types, with the first vehicles under that
strategy to go into service during 2018.
By 2023 half of the bus fleet, approximately 500 buses, will
be converted to low emission vehicles. Full conversion will be
completed by 2030.
The document also mentions more RTPI screens.
Overall the whole document seems to be describing exactly what we want. I hope they can implement most or all of it.0 -
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Don't get me started. The 2 outbound stops less than 100m from each other in Perrystown on the 150 are my favourite. Honourable mention too for the 2 outbound stops on Limekiln Rd and the 2 literally around the corner from one another on Belgard Square.
My bete noire is the distance between stop #400 (Pearse St/Shaw St) and #7588 (Pearse St/Tara St). [Red Line: Approx 84m]
Only the 25/A/B stop at both, then wind around Eden Quay via Tara St to the next stop 846m away on Aston Quay (Blue Line).
The 26/66/67 group however (Orange Line stop at #400 (Pearse St/Shaw St) - 224m- then #346 (Pearse St/Garda Station) - 322m- then #317 (Westmoreland St/Aston Quay)
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