Gambling really is a mugs game.

MilesMorales1 · 05-02-2017 12:51pm #1

I was out with my friend on the Friday, neither of us drinks or smokes, but we went in the newsagents and he decided to get a scratch card. I said not to, cos its stupid cos gambling is stupid, house always wins etc. But he decided to buy those 1 euro scratch cards, ended up spending 47 euro on them, he won 2 €2 cards, and 1 €4 euro, but he put them back into the cards, so in the end he won nothing.

I had 2 euro left over in change from buying food, so I decided to buy 2 cards, just for the craic, and I won €1000.

I mean thats riddiculous isn't it. I'm pleased I won money, don't get me wrong. But its such bad odds that he can spend x amount and win nothing, and then I spend 2 quid and win a huge amount. I mean that is the point of gambling, obviously, its all chance. But it doesn't compute for me. Won't be gambling again.

Barry Badrinath · 05-02-2017 12:59pm

Will you be sound and give him the €47 he lost from your winnings?

If you did indeed win.

Did you win or is this bullsh1t?

It is bullsh1t isnt it...

Gwan, tell us the truth you mug.

What scratch card was it? Iv €2 here burning a hole in my pocket and im feeling lucky.

Cmon winner winner chicken dinner, spill the beans you mad lad ye!

Collie D · 05-02-2017 12:59pm

It's not all chance. Scratch cards, lotteries, raffles, roulette, etc. Yes

Sports betting, political betting, even betting on Big Brother or Eurovision if that's your thing aren't chance

Kauto · 05-02-2017 1:01pm

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

I was out with my friend on the Friday, neither of us drinks or smokes, but we went in the newsagents and he decided to get a scratch card. I said not to, cos its stupid cos gambling is stupid, house always wins etc. But he decided to buy those 1 euro scratch cards, ended up spending 47 euro on them, he won 2 €2 cards, and 1 €4 euro, but he put them back into the cards, so in the end he won nothing.

I had 2 euro left over in change from buying food, so I decided to buy 2 cards, just for the craic, and I won €1000.

I mean thats riddiculous isn't it. I'm pleased I won money, don't get me wrong. But its such bad odds that he can spend x amount and win nothing, and then I spend 2 quid and win a huge amount. I mean that is the point of gambling, obviously, its all chance. But it doesn't compute for me. Won't be gambling again.

Spoken like a true mug.

MilesMorales1 · 05-02-2017 1:01pm

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Will you be sound and give him the €47 he lost from your winnings?

If you did indeed win.

Did you win or is this bullsh1t?

It is bullsh1t isnt it...

Gwan, tell us the truth you mug.

What scratch card was it? Iv €2 here burning a hole in my pocket and im feeling lucky.

Cmon winner winner chicken dinner, spill the beans you mad lad ye!

I would have given him a few quid, honestly I would. But he started going on about how he deserved the winning card and I didn't since he spent more than I did and he was the gambler. So I did the mature thing and waved it in his face.

The_Valeyard · 05-02-2017 1:02pm

So I won a grand hahaha thread?

R P McMurphy · 05-02-2017 1:03pm

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

I was out with my friend on the Friday, neither of us drinks or smokes, but we went in the newsagents and he decided to get a scratch card. I said not to, cos its stupid cos gambling is stupid, house always wins etc. But he decided to buy those 1 euro scratch cards, ended up spending 47 euro on them, he won 2 €2 cards, and 1 €4 euro, but he put them back into the cards, so in the end he won nothing.

I had 2 euro left over in change from buying food, so I decided to buy 2 cards, just for the craic, and I won €1000.

I mean thats riddiculous isn't it. I'm pleased I won money, don't get me wrong. But its such bad odds that he can spend x amount and win nothing, and then I spend 2 quid and win a huge amount. I mean that is the point of gambling, obviously, its all chance. But it doesn't compute for me. Won't be gambling again.

Too late for you now. With that win you have gotten the bug and within two years will be eating out of bins. You shouldn't have bought those two cards

tomwaterford · 05-02-2017 1:07pm

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

I would have given him a few quid, honestly I would. But he started going on about how he deserved the winning card and I didn't since he spent more than I did and he was the gambler. So I did the mature thing and waved it in his face.

So after watching your friend lose 47 euro.....you proceeded then to have a go yourself?

Barry Badrinath · 05-02-2017 1:07pm

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

I would have given him a few quid, honestly I would. But he started going on about how he deserved the winning card and I didn't since he spent more than I did and he was the gambler. So I did the mature thing and waved it in his face.

So, none of this happened then.

Grand so. Im off to fly my gold spaceship under the sea to fight a Greek God on the back of my pet Yeti.

Laters

MilesMorales1 · 05-02-2017 1:07pm

tomwaterford wrote: »

So after watching your friend lose 47 euro.....you proceeded then to have a go yourself?

2 quid is 2 quid. I'd have only spent it on food or put it in the piggy bank.

Del2005 · 05-02-2017 1:09pm

Collie D wrote: »

It's not all chance. Scratch cards, lotteries, raffles, roulette, etc. Yes

Sports betting, political betting, even betting on Big Brother or Eurovision if that's your thing aren't chance

Sports betting definitely isn't chance. Most horse and dog racing is fixed. I used to work in a race course and guaranteed that every few meetings the stable yard would empty 2 minutes before the off and run to the bookies, I doubt that they were all backing their own horses.

MilesMorales1 · 05-02-2017 1:10pm

But it is chance. You could have all the odds like what you're saying about sports or horses, but some bollocks could still happen and you lose. In theory, my friend spent more money, so he should have bought the winning card.

Harry Palmr · 05-02-2017 1:21pm

After-timing :mad: You should have started this thread before you went in and then did a live feed to us.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 05-02-2017 1:22pm

If you're good at it it's the best thing in the world you could do.

The Talking Bread · 05-02-2017 1:31pm

Methinks this is a Sunday morning Troll and fishing rod thread. Whatever floats your boat!

Del2005 · 05-02-2017 1:33pm

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

But it is chance. You could have all the odds like what you're saying about sports or horses, but some bollocks could still happen and you lose. In theory, my friend spent more money, so he should have bought the winning card.

Yes something can happen in a race but if the horse/dog doesn't win then they do it again with even better odds.

If gambling returned on the amount you put in then why are gambling addicts also broke? Every ticket has the same odds of winning, buying more doesn't decrease the odds all it means is that you are repeatedly beating your head against a wall and expecting not to hurt it.

If you want to gamble with improving odds you have to card count at blackjack, but the dealers also card count and you'll be asked to leave.

The house always wins.

hairyslug · 05-02-2017 1:34pm

Thinly veiled "I was out on Friday night" thread

mdwexford · 05-02-2017 2:05pm

Del2005 wrote: »

Yes something can happen in a race but if the horse/dog doesn't win then they do it again with even better odds.

If gambling returned on the amount you put in then why are gambling addicts also broke? Every ticket has the same odds of winning, buying more doesn't decrease the odds all it means is that you are repeatedly beating your head against a wall and expecting not to hurt it.

If you want to gamble with improving odds you have to card count at blackjack, but the dealers also card count and you'll be asked to leave.

The house always wins.

Not always, so called unlucky losers are sometimes the most underpriced runners next time out.

Buying more tickets does increase your chances of having a winning one but it could be one with €2 on it.

Dealers don't card count at blackjack, why would they. They can't influence anything, once the cards and shuffled and in the shoe then all they do is pull them out.

scamalert · 05-02-2017 2:11pm

im good at poker,but usually play it by chances % ratio,say if 2positions are paid on 6ppl table chance is that 1of3 will make it,thus consider any position where 1-5 with some control like bluffing is possible to reach paying point is good odds.But at to the mix easy access to betting or casino cash evaporates,since online they like to hold withdrawals for few days and got burned on that one to many times.i can buy scratchcard 2-3e since chances are 1/4.5 and 2 euro wont break a bank,but buying euro millions with 11mill to 1 of winning and not even sure how lucky one has to be to get even couple numbers to get back 3-4e its always profit for such organizers.

think simple rule is its fun to do things like betting or gamble sometimes,but if not being self aware,for me putting 10e is enough to get gut kick not to play for months,but as someone noted long ago you always see bookies saturated in worst places,meaning poor will drop in, will become regular losers,and few wins just fuel that long loosing streak which becomes illness to some. Louis Thereoux has good documentary on gambling following one rich guy and it shows how little control people have when it comes to few lucky streaks just to waste it all.

con___manx1 · 05-02-2017 2:12pm

tell that to your one who won 83 million on the euromillions 2 weeks ago

Outlaw Pete · 05-02-2017 3:10pm

People who gamble are idiots.

Tenner says this thread gets moved to the Gambling forum.

riffmongous · 05-02-2017 3:15pm

God I really feel like placing a few bets now after reading this

BorneTobyWilde · 05-02-2017 3:19pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

People who gamble are idiots.

Tenner says this thread gets moved to the Gambling forum.

Yes gambling is for idiots
Now what odds are you offering on thread being moved ?

Grayson · 05-02-2017 3:47pm

Paddy Power released a study in which they estimate that up to 2/3 of people who gamble online are addicted. It's a horrible industry that preys on people with addiction issues.

The reason gambling is addictive is the endorphin's released when your doing it. You actually get a little high on it. It's enjoyable and can become addictive.

Byt that's the problem, it's enjoyable. I like it. I'll but a lotto ticket occasionally. I play poker with friends. It's a €5 buy in so nothing big. But when it's down to the line, you've got a good hand and you're coming up to the point where it all depends on a few hands, the giddiness is ridiculous.

So I only play poker with friends for a small buy in and buy lottery tickets. Even then I limit myself to a one line quickpick. It's easy to deceive yourself that if you buy more lines you might win. It's easy to say that the next horse will be a winner. It's easy to think the next scratch card will be the one.

When you think of the money spent on poker as a bit of fun, that's ok. When you start thinking of it as an investment and want to chase your losses, then it's a problem.

goose2005 · 05-02-2017 4:12pm

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Will you be sound and give him the €47 he lost from your winnings?

what do you think he'll do with €47?

goose2005 · 05-02-2017 4:13pm

con___manx1 wrote: »

tell that to your one who won 83 million on the euromillions 2 weeks ago

And the 42,500,000 who lost €2 so she could make that?

Del2005 · 05-02-2017 8:55pm

mdwexford wrote: »

Not always, so called unlucky losers are sometimes the most underpriced runners next time out.

Buying more tickets does increase your chances of having a winning one but it could be one with €2 on it.

Dealers don't card count at blackjack, why would they. They can't influence anything, once the cards and shuffled and in the shoe then all they do is pull them out.

The owner/trainer know what they are doing so they will win.

Dealers count cards because card counting is against casino rules, so when you increase your bets when the count is in your favour you'll be asked to leave.

The best way to know that gambling is a mugs game is that the online bookies will close an account if you win to often, they never close the account of someone who looses.

mdwexford · 05-02-2017 9:02pm

Del2005 wrote: »

The owner/trainer know what they are doing so they will win.

Dealers count cards because card counting is against casino rules, so when you increase your bets when the count is in your favour you'll be asked to leave.

The best way to know that gambling is a mugs game is that the online bookies will close an account if you win to often, they never close the account of someone who looses.

But you can't account for fallers, being brought down, a horse bleeding or a host of other factors. Even if the horse is trying for its life it can still lose.

I used to work in casinos. No where I worked did dealers count cards while dealing blackjack. Very few people in Ireland at least would be trying to count cards in casinos. Even the limits at the tables being so small in most places would make it not a very profitable plan.

Of course long term gambling will be a losing game for 95%+ of people. Bookies these days will limit their exposure and not be willing to take a lot of bets. Times on my paddy power account I've tried to get 50 on a 2/1 and I'll be told maximum is 16.35 or some similar nonsense.

diomed · 05-02-2017 9:23pm

Annoying misuse of the word Gambling.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 05-02-2017 9:40pm

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

I was out with my friend on the Friday, neither of us drinks or smokes, but we went in the newsagents and he decided to get a scratch card. I said not to, cos its stupid cos gambling is stupid, house always wins etc. But he decided to buy those 1 euro scratch cards, ended up spending 47 euro on them, he won 2 €2 cards, and 1 €4 euro, but he put them back into the cards, so in the end he won nothing.

I had 2 euro left over in change from buying food, so I decided to buy 2 cards, just for the craic, and I won €1000.

I mean thats riddiculous isn't it. I'm pleased I won money, don't get me wrong. But its such bad odds that he can spend x amount and win nothing, and then I spend 2 quid and win a huge amount. I mean that is the point of gambling, obviously, its all chance. But it doesn't compute for me. Won't be gambling again.

47 euro on scratchcards? Yes, that's a mug. But not because he's gmabling, but gambling that much on pure randomness.

artanevilla · 05-02-2017 9:48pm

Gambling is fine. Like everything you have to do it correctly and in moderation.

My rules are:

Never gamble if you can't afford it.

As soon as the bet is on, your money is gone regardless of potential outcome, if you lose grand, you've already accepted the money is gone, if you win happy days.

Gamble for fun and not for money, as I say above your money should be considered gone and not coming back, but now you have a stake in an event and it should add excitement so enjoy it.

There's no such thing as luck or a sure thing.

Gambling really is a mugs game.

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