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26-02-2019, 02:40   #46
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I think Clodagh's mother / the boy's grandmother is right to ask WHAT it was that her daughter and her grandsons Died For. He said in his 5page letter that the truth was all going to come out. Those in the know are giving him exactly what HE wanted - protection from being shown up / exposed / embarrassed / found lacking somehow, shown to be less than the ideal he presented as.
He murdered his wife and three sons. He couldn't be any further from the ideal
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It is so easy nowadays to target men, and in America it's a racial hatred of white men that seems to be all too common.
Oh for goodness sake it doesn't matter if he's man woman or beast. He wiped out the 4 people he was meant to love most in the must brutal And vicious way . And he didn't just flip one evening watching the telly. He timed it to save himself from exposure. Mental illness my eye. You insult people with genuine mental illness with your assertions.
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26-02-2019, 02:46   #48
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No matter what he did at school, I don't know how he could've went through with what he did. I haven't read much about it until now and reading his oldest son most likely seen what he did to his brother and put up a fight is really sad.
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I posted a transcript and a link to tonight's interview a few posts back.
In the interview Clodaghs mother said she became aware that Alan was watching pornography earlier in the year and he was now seeing a councillor to deal with this and school issues
She said since his death she became aware he was wearing Clodaghs underwear and she said that Clodagh in her wildest dreams would have thought of that.
Her sister also spoke about him insisting on going shopping for her Brides maids dress for Clodaghs wedding.
They said he would never hit the kids but you could feel his presence from five feet away and the boys listened to him and obeyed him.
They also spoke about the boys like Lego and baking.
The mother also spoke about the evening before and how everything felt normal and that morning.
They haven't had contact with the school since and don't know what happened there.
They don't accept that he was depressed. He was seeing a doctor for years and she didn't pick up in it.
They are looking for answers and changes.
That's just a few points.

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Any confidentiality re records that c*nt had should be fully wavered to give Clodaghs family access to all documents.

The description of what happened was absolutely shocking, unimaginable. They deserve answers.
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In April 2016, new Garda Vetting legislation was put in place regarding established teachers, making it compulsory for all teachers to be Vetted by December 2017, before that established teachers did not need Vetting, only new entrants to teaching. There were also changes made to the Vetting procedure, where "Soft Information" could be used to deny Vetting, as in not a criminal conviction, where Gardai had concerns the somebody could harm a child due to there activities/ interests etc.
If some of his colleagues had concerns about his behavior, such as masturbation in school, they would have been obliged to disclose those concerns to the relevant authorities, which in turn could deny him Vetting, which would have meant him losing his job.
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Mental illness like this, can be so hard to spot in your average everyday person.

Society does not want to acknowledge that we have people like Alan Hawe in our communities, silently suffering and struggling to keep themselves from going over the edge.

There is a deep outrage even at the suggestion that this was mental illness. But why is that? Whatever condition Alan Hawe was clearly suffering from, should be no direct reflection on any other unrelated mental illness... there are many different types, and thankfully most people suffering from mental illness will never do what this man sadly did.

But the longer society tries to brush these types of mental illness under the carpet as some simplistic "act of evil".... the longer it will take to find solutions and help prevent the next Alan Hawe!

Simply labelling someone as "evil" does nothing to help the situation (even if that is perhaps a natural human emotional reaction to this tragedy). This sort of line of thinking, is more suited to back in the bad old days of catholic Ireland... where we had "good" and "evil"... and everything else was dismissed as nonsense!
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26-02-2019, 07:16   #53
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We should not let our emotions control our thoughts on this terrible event. It should be blatantly obvious that mental illness was the complete driving force here. I highly doubt if it was a woman who done the same thing to her family there would be the same hatred directed towards her. In this twisted modern world, a woman would get more consolation and less hatred if it were her that resorted to murder of her family. It is so easy nowadays to target men, and in America it's a racial hatred of white men that seems to be all too common.
You can't say that. There is no comparing like with like here. It doesn't work like that. Sounds like a Jordan Peterson trope.

There don't tend to be female family annihilators on the same scale as male and mostly when there are they are found to be suffering from postpartum psychosis. They also don't usually kill their partner or the father of their children, just the children. Men tend annihilate their entire families. Female murderers don't tend to get an easy ride of it. Look at the scissors sisters and Catherine Nevin. No one made excuses for them by anyone, male or female.
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So are they saying this is a cover up job?
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Mental illness like this, can be so hard to spot in your average everyday person.

Society does not want to acknowledge that we have people like Alan Hawe in our communities, silently suffering and struggling to keep themselves from going over the edge.

There is a deep outrage even at the suggestion that this was mental illness. But why is that? Whatever condition Alan Hawe was clearly suffering from, should be no direct reflection on any other unrelated mental illness... there are many different types, and thankfully most people suffering from mental illness will never do what this man sadly did.

But the longer society tries to brush these types of mental illness under the carpet as some simplistic "act of evil".... the longer it will take to find solutions and help prevent the next Alan Hawe!

Simply labelling someone as "evil" does nothing to help the situation (even if that is perhaps a natural human emotional reaction to this tragedy). This sort of line of thinking, is more suited to back in the bad old days of catholic Ireland... where we had "good" and "evil"... and everything else was dismissed as nonsense!
Finally an intelligent and informed post. Kudos.

Unfortunately the masses really don't understand the complexities of mental health and the diverse and vast range of illnesses, symptoms and outcomes.

How a GP is meant to simply spot depression without the patient discussing it is beyond me. He could have been going to the GP for years for anything, and pretending to be fine.

I think the family would be better served receiving counselling themselves, not sure they'll get any kind of closure otherwise.

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26-02-2019, 07:40   #56
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Maybe he already had no job to go back to, maybe he abused a child at the school and the Gardai / school won't discuss it to protect the child.
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Mental illness like this, can be so hard to spot in your average everyday person.

Society does not want to acknowledge that we have people like Alan Hawe in our communities, silently suffering and struggling to keep themselves from going over the edge.

There is a deep outrage even at the suggestion that this was mental illness. But why is that? Whatever condition Alan Hawe was clearly suffering from, should be no direct reflection on any other unrelated mental illness... there are many different types, and thankfully most people suffering from mental illness will never do what this man sadly did.

But the longer society tries to brush these types of mental illness under the carpet as some simplistic "act of evil".... the longer it will take to find solutions and help prevent the next Alan Hawe!

Simply labelling someone as "evil" does nothing to help the situation (even if that is perhaps a natural human emotional reaction to this tragedy). This sort of line of thinking, is more suited to back in the bad old days of catholic Ireland... where we had "good" and "evil"... and everything else was dismissed as nonsense!
He wasn’t mentally ill. He was a control freak who calmly went about murdering his whole family because his good name was about to be blackened because of an incident in the school he worked. His whole family were afraid of him, his wife was basically a prisoner in her own home. Labeling him mentally ill is just a deflection to excuse his actions and the horror of what he planned and carried out rather than accept the fact he was just a complete scumbag.
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26-02-2019, 08:03   #58
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The mother mentioned that he told his wife about this.

I know that the incident at the computer would have been the source of humiliation but he could have overcome that. Why would this be kept quiet for so long?

I wouldnt call it trivial but given the circumstances how can keeping it quiet be justified? At worst he would have lost his job

I just feel that there is more to this
For someone like him it would be far worse than just losing his job.

Also, the wife knew he was watching porn but I dont believe she knew the full extent - or that he was caught watching it at work.

The profile we have of him is a very controlling and egotistical bully.
And also a very strict father.

The revelation of what he was doing at school would have eroded all his authority at home. Not to mention his standing in the local community where apparently he was very involved in GAA and the church.

Given his huge control issues, the public unmasking would have been unfathomable for him.
He would no longer have moral authority or control over his family - and he clearly couldn't bear that.

Trying to use depression as an excuse is just cowardly.
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26-02-2019, 08:27   #59
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I just watched a piece of that, and listened to how he killed his family.

As a father, I simply cannot fathom it at all. To do that to his young boys, its not depression. It is, as his sister in law says, pure evil.

Its disturbing to think what those poor boys felt as the one man who should protect them with his life did that to them. What a terrible way to leave this world.

It was all so premeditated.

Why couldn't be just have gone and done himself in. His family were innocent in all this.

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26-02-2019, 08:40   #60
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Just a thought but I wonder dI'd he kill the boys because they would grow up to be better people than he could ever be?
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