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26-02-2019, 00:44   #31
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Watching adult porn isn’t a crime though and the counsellor wouldn’t have had to report Hawe because he wasn’t a threat to the children he taught. If he was accessing child porn and admitted it then the counsellor would presumably have had to report that.

Was he addicted to porn though, did this come out at the inquest.

How could he watch porn in the school, surely it would be blocked on school computers. Also how thick would you have to be to get caught masturbating.
Thats a valid point. I hadnt thought of that.
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26-02-2019, 00:45   #32
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I think Clodagh's mother / the boy's grandmother is right to ask WHAT it was that her daughter and her grandsons Died For. He said in his 5page letter that the truth was all going to come out. Those in the know are giving him exactly what HE wanted - protection from being shown up / exposed / embarrassed / found lacking somehow, shown to be less than the ideal he presented as.
Why? I dont get it.
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26-02-2019, 00:59   #33
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I think Clodagh's mother / the boy's grandmother is right to ask WHAT it was that her daughter and her grandsons Died For. He said in his 5page letter that the truth was all going to come out. Those in the know are giving him exactly what HE wanted - protection from being shown up / exposed / embarrassed / found lacking somehow, shown to be less than the ideal he presented as.

It's already out - he was caught "pleasuring himself" and watching porn on a computer at the school.


It's possible that data protection law prevents the authorities from releasing information about Alan Hawe without permission from his parents and brothers.
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Watched this myself. Clodagh’s mother and sister were very brave and dignified in telling her story. Heartbreaking.

It sheds a little more light on this horrific and shocking murder-suicide, and I am of the opinion that Alan Hawe was a very insecure, domineering and controlling individual who callously premeditated and plotted the heinous and barbaric slaughter of his family.
Spot on in your discription of him.

My sister would have been in St. Pat's College around the same time as them, they were a couple back then in the mid nineties.
St. Pat's is a small college where everyone knows everyone else and their business.

Clodagh and himself would have been what you would call a "golden couple" on campus, at least that's what a casual observer would see.
Unfortunately even in his late teens there was obvious signs of his controlling behaviour.

A tragic case.
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It's already out - he was caught "pleasuring himself" and watching porn on a computer at the school.


It's possible that data protection law prevents the authorities from releasing information about Alan Hawe without permission from his parents and brothers.
What about victim protection or justice?!
These people also benefitted financially from the murders, they've been awfully quiet. Seems the mental psychosis excuse provides great cover for AH. Funny how methodical, organised, well thought out and no pun intended executed his actions were. Weapons at the ready. Couch rearranged weeks ahead of schedule, final holiday completed, last visit to granny where he appeared perfectly normal, letters written, note to not come in on the door all completed by someone who suddenly snapped? It's an insult to the mentally ill.
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What about victim protection or justice?!
These people also benefitted financially from the murders, they've been awfully quiet.
Seems the mental psychosis excuse provides great cover for AH. Funny how methodical, organised, well thought out and no pun intended executed his actions were. Weapons at the ready. Couch rearranged weeks ahead of schedule, final holiday completed, last visit to granny where he appeared perfectly normal, letters written, note to not come in on the door all completed by someone who suddenly snapped? It's an insult to the mentally ill.

They haven't committed a crime. They were unaware that he had murder in mind. What they do with the "benefit" is a matter of conscience for them. They're not Eamon Lillis, you know!
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They haven't committed a crime. They were unaware that he had murder in mind. What they do with the "benefit" is a matter of conscience for them. They're not Eamon Lillis, you know!
Well if his family are the reason that her family can't get answers I just don't know what to say.
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I didnt see the show but read about it in the Irish times, it said that he'd watched porn in school and was getting counselling because he liked to watch porn, surely this cant be a genuine reason for murdering your whole family? - not that theres any good reason to do such a thing but as excuses go, that's fairly out there. Surely theres more shame associated with being a cold blooded murderer than watching a bit of porn? I get it was inappropriate to say the least, watching porn in school, but theres no logic to this at all. Was it illegal porn? Its just so messed up, that poor family and those poor kids falling victim to a psychopath who they trusted. Its scary to think how psychopaths like him can come across so normal, he was described as a pillar of the community if I remember correctly. Its f'ed up beyond belief.
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I didn't see these unfortunate women, so, I don't want to be called the devils advocate nor do I want to be insensitive to the family. I think the guy could have reformed himself if he had got the right help from the right sources. Have any of you had a serious porn (or other) addiction? Do you know the damaging effects of porn addiction? I think it is overlooked as a problem in the modern world. It is a "trap" that is not difficult to fall into, and many begin viewing this "scourge" at a very young age. I say scourge because I think this country is far too oblivious to the danger of porn addiction.
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Where do fook does anyone find time to fulfill a porn addiction nowadays.. they must be lazy bástards, doing nothing round the house... Reminds me of fitness freaks,the ones that are always at the gym or out cycling..you know the type!? :-))
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To suggest he had depression is an insult to people who suffer with it. He was a crazy f**ker.

It was premeditated and thought out. He was ashamed and too weak to face the consequences of his actions. To selfish to kill himself, he had to kill his family. Didn't want them living without him.

His wife sounds like she was a smart decent lady who could no doubt have moved on and been happy without him.

All documents should be made available to his wife's next of kin. Give these people answers and let them gain the closure they need to let Clodagh and her sons RIP.

I feel sorry for this things family. His parents and siblings must have gone through hell. Her family are victims but his family are too.
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“In a suicide note he spoke of his shame and that “it was easier for them to die than to have to live with the truth of what he was doing”

The “truth” that hasn’t come out yet is something far more serious than having a wank on school grounds.

As another poster said, he was in the presence of children all day, do you not see where this is pointing towards? Just a thought.
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Was it child porn or was he caught with a kid?
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We should not let our emotions control our thoughts on this terrible event. It should be blatantly obvious that mental illness was the complete driving force here. I highly doubt if it was a woman who done the same thing to her family there would be the same hatred directed towards her. In this twisted modern world, a woman would get more consolation and less hatred if it were her that resorted to murder of her family. It is so easy nowadays to target men, and in America it's a racial hatred of white men that seems to be all too common.
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Here is a transcript of tonight's Interview!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crim...iews-1.3805969

It's also available on the RTE Player.

https://www.rte.ie/player/series/cla...id=IH000367740
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