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27-01-2019, 11:49   #31
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Poor Blanket.
I've pitied those kids all their lives. They certainly can't claim to have had a normal upbringing or life. Paris has checked into rehab only recently
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“Musicians”? Did he even play an instrument?
Michael Jackson would have had musicianship beaten into him. So yes he was a professional musician.the fact you even ask such a question means you don't know an awful lot about musicianship?
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Couple of guys in their 30s claiming they were abused by MJ.

Wonder how much they are suing his estate for?

Easy to make claims against a dead man.
But if his estate has already been distributed there would be no money to sue for. They can’t sue the beneficiaries as they are innocent parties. That would be whybwhere there is pending court cases against an estate payouts to the beneficiaries in the will would be suspended until after any actions.

A dead person whose will has been distributed can’t pay.
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I've pitied those kids all their lives. They certainly can't claim to have had a normal upbringing or life. Paris has checked into rehab only recently
The oldest lad seems to have his head screwed on. He wants to work in the entertainment industry but behind the camera, either producing or directing.
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I sacked a guy for stealing from the till. Had it on cctv. He brings me to labour court. Arbitrator advised me to make a payment to him as a full hearing could have me not being able to work for several days due to court appearances. I paid. I sacked him because he stole & I had video proof but I payed.

Sometimes paying is easier. A mistake in Jacksons case imo. You will also notice that it was an out of court settlement & he was not found guilty nor did he admit guilt.

The law of the land says that he's not guilty & is entitled to the assumption of innocence

His accusers today aren't bringing his estate to court. There is no evidence for an inquiry or investigation.

Never liked his music and I thought him a dope but you have to look at these things and look at the bigger picture. There is no inquiry, investigation or civil action. Why do you suppose that is?
Settling a matter in the WRC is a very different kettle of fish. Would you have settled an accusation of paedophilic assault if you were accused?
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27-01-2019, 16:33   #36
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R Kelly was found not guilty, so was O.J Simpson.
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Settling a matter in the WRC is a very different kettle of fish. Would you have settled an accusation of paedophilic assault if you were accused?

I never would have put myself in the situation where I could be accused in the first place. I adore kids. I'd gladly spend my day on the floor playing with kids (not in that way). I don't even talk to a child I don't know unless my wife is beside me. I'd never even leave myself open like he did.
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The victims themselves explained why they testified that he hadn't abused them - they were told by him that if they said anything their lives would be ruined, and they didn't actually realise it was abuse at the time. They thought they were consenting. This is what grooming is.

I've never believed that Jackson was innocent and this just cements it for me. There is no reason for a grown man to share a bed with children and to go to the extent he did to be undisturbed with them. Just no.
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R Kelly was found not guilty, so was O.J Simpson.

So was Paddy Jackson & his co accused. His Ireland career was ruined because people won't accept the not guilty verdict.

You don't get to pick & choose who is innocent and guilty after a not guilty verdict. You have to accept the verdict.
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Multiple police and FBI investigations found nothing despite multiple claims from supposed witnesses of abuse and claims of computers and laptops full of child porn but yet nothing was ever found ,
I don't believe he was an actual peodo ,a messed up individual who didn't make the smartest of decisions ,
Look at saville some of the witnesses who gave statements against him literally said i heard for someone who said he did this and that ,and the majority lining up for claim's had zero interest in making complaints to authorities but wanted cash payouts ,he was a sick individual but it shows anyone can take advantage of anothers persons abuse for money .
The whole #metoo was the same people on here happy to say they always knew this celeb and that celebs were abusers based of tweets .

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So was Paddy Jackson & his co accused. His Ireland career was ruined because people won't accept the not guilty verdict.

You don't get to pick & choose who is innocent and guilty after a not guilty verdict. You have to accept the verdict.
My point was more about America than here, that's why I named two American, very clearly guilty men.

Both of them have admitted to what they've done, both were wealthy, popular entertainers and both had a fan base that refused to hear anything bad about their hero. Both paid huge sums to the victims/ their families.

Paddy Jackson doesn't fit that comparison at all.
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I was always quite sure something murky was up, but I think Cory Feldman, mentally unwell as he clearly is, being so adamant that Jackson never did anything to him or anyone else he saw there despite all his allegations towards others (which sadly I reckon there is a lot of credence behind) really gives an awful lot of pause for thought. Not seen this documentary though, I might flick it on this evening.
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I was always quite sure something murky was up, but I think Cory Feldman, mentally unwell as he clearly is, being so adamant that Jackson never did anything to him or anyone else he saw there despite all his allegations towards others (which sadly I reckon there is a lot of credence behind) really gives an awful lot of pause for thought. Not seen this documentary though, I might flick it on this evening.
It's four hours long!!
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My point was more about America than here, that's why I named two American, very clearly guilty men.
You see you can't say that. America has the same setup as here and in the North. Not guilty gives you the presumption of insurance. There is no difference between the states and here just because you want to say two are guilty but wanted the lads in the North innocent.

Legally paddy Jackson is as innocent or guilty as Michael Jackson, OJ Simpson & R Kelly.

No offence meant here but it's hypocritical to say some are guilty but paddy Jackson isn't. All are not guilty
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The victims themselves explained why they testified that he hadn't abused them - they were told by him that if they said anything their lives would be ruined, and they didn't actually realise it was abuse at the time. They thought they were consenting. This is what grooming is.

I've never believed that Jackson was innocent and this just cements it for me. There is no reason for a grown man to share a bed with children and to go to the extent he did to be undisturbed with them. Just no.
I could understand how Wade Robson might have done that as a 14-17 year old.

It's harder for me to understand how he did it as a 23 year old.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wade_Robson

Robson testified in Michael Jackson's defense at the People v. Jackson trial in 2005. When Jackson was acquitted of child abuse in this case, Robson said he had slept many times in Jackson's room, but he had never experienced any assault.In 2013, Robson claimed the opposite; that Jackson had sexually abused him as a child.In 2017, however, a judge dismissed the lawsuit against the Jackson estate on the grounds that the accused parties could not have controlled Jackson's behavior. The judge's ruling was not based on the credibility of Robson's allegations.]


I've never liked Michael Jackson, even in the early 80s- so absolutely no interest in "defending" him now. But it does confuse me how a 23 year old stood up for MJ and testified as part of his defence team in an abuse case and then 8 years later, claims the opposite.
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