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09-01-2019, 00:49   #61
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That's ok if it happens once in a blue moon

If it's happening all the time and yer putting up with it , it's just martydom
Total up the hours and get them off a future days shift ( get a half-day or something )

DON'T accept cash for the excess hours - they love fixing cr@p by just firing money at it

Just stop work in plenty time and do your notes so you are out the door at 20:30

Unless there is a bus crash or something, you stop in good time and do yer notes and gtf out the door

It's abuse. Plain and simple.
Working extra hours happens very regularly.
You literally cannot just walk off the ward if you're needed. You can't get time in lieu or extra money for hours worked and good luck getting more cash for those hours.

Your whole life revolves around the hospital. You can be called at a moment's notice to come in and usually you will, because if you don't your colleagues will have it much much worse.
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That's ok if it happens once in a blue moon

If it's happening all the time and yer putting up with it , it's just martydom


###LMAO AGAIN.. jo public just can’t understand the reality of the job. Nothing to do with “martydom” sp
And again, I said that I wasn’t complaining about it. ####

Total up the hours and get them off a future days shift ( get a half-day or something )

###Get a half day???
When you have 30 patients and a max of 3 staff nurses including yourself. Half days don’t exist on hospital wards. ###

DON'T accept cash for the excess hours - they love fixing cr@p by just firing money at it

Just stop work in plenty time and do your notes so you are out the door at 20:30

Unless there is a bus crash or something, you stop in good time and do yer notes and gtf out the door


It's abuse at the moment. Plain and simple.

F*ck that, change it
I never metioned notes when I said that it’s necesaery to stay late sometimes.
You could have a patient back from theatre & it’s up to you to start their post op care. You could have a confused patient with Alzheimer’s kicking off (the night staff need to get medications started so they aren’t able to sort it out).
You could have an admission at change over, this is your responsibility to do.
These are just 3 examples. There are MANY more variables.

The reason I mentioned the working hours not being strictly 37 hours (as another poster posted) is because that is not the reality and it’s not martyrdom either.

(( sorry I made a blip replying, the ### bits are mine, I’m on my phone & it’s not cooperating)

****Further addition as you edited your post after I replied.

It’s a BIG stretch to say that people will be killed by nurses going on strike.
Deliberately obtuse to get a rise.
I’m not biting ;-)

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Unions have ruined this country. They used to serve a very necessary purpose, but these days its just constant calling of strikes in order to get paid more and more.
Unions still serve a necessary purpose, but they are usually only used for the wrong segment of the working population in Ireland currently.

Unions are needed to have guaranteed working hours and pay, standard working conditions, a guaranteed pension ect. All these things are already there for people working in the public sector generally.

It is private sector employees who need unions in this country. To ensure no zero hour contracts, to have guaranteed overtime payed, to be paid at least the minimum wage, to have a guaranteed pension after a set amount of working years, to have job security ect.

Unions are usually fighting for the rights of the wrong segment of workers in Ireland.
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.....,......

changing nursing to a 4 year degree was a mistake. In 2004 70% of nurses were emigating
So we should "hobble" them so they don't run away then ?????


Same as the early days of the Kimberly Diamond mines ?







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Unions still serve a necessary purpose, but they are usually only used for the wrong segment of the working population in Ireland currently.

Unions are needed to have guaranteed working hours and pay, standard working conditions, a guaranteed pension ect. All these things are already there for people working in the public sector generally.

It is private sector employees who need unions in this country. To ensure no zero hour contracts, to have guaranteed overtime payed, to be paid at least the minimum wage, to have a guaranteed pension after a set amount of working years, to have job security ect.

Unions are usually fighting for the rights of the wrong segment of workers in Ireland.

AFAIK the last strike in the health service was to reduce duration of working shifts for doctors to a maximum of 24 hours. It was a single day strike like this proposed one where EDs stayed open and emergencies were managed normally.
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Should give it to the care assistants eg slaves
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Should give it to the care assistants eg slaves
???
I worked as an agency care assistant when I trained. I was far from a slave!
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Should give it to the care assistants eg slaves
Even with care assistants, the pay differential between public and private is really big, can be double in some cases.
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Should give it to the care assistants eg slaves
More martyrdom - don't wanna lift landwhales -stay at home



What we don't want is a nurse with years of experience unable anymore to work at 40 years of age because her back is knackered from lifting said landwhales
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AFAIK the last strike in the health service was to reduce duration of working shifts for doctors to a maximum of 24 hours. It was a single day strike like this proposed one where EDs stayed open and emergencies were managed normally.
Junior Doctors were treated horrendously in fairness. But that seemed like a legacy/anomaly issue when considered within the entire public sector as a whole.
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Junior Doctors were treated horrendously in fairness. But that seemed like a legacy/anomaly issue when considered within the entire public sector as a whole.
Sh#t rolls down hill in hospitals and nurses and junior doctors get royally f#cked over.
The huge shortcomings in the health service mean that staff are pretty much forced to sacrifice their own health, safety, friendships, relationships and lives to ensure patient safety.
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My ex was a care assistant for a while. She was paid more than the nurses
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I think they deserve it. From a quick skim of the inmo payscale it seems to take about 8 years to get to 40 grand from grad.

(Great cash in Cavan/Mayo general, but rubbish trying to live in in Dublin central)

If you want to keep keen bright staff in the job ya gotta pay them. And I'd reckon nurses have got lots of options for other jobs to go to.


However.... The other unions teachers etc etc will be watching to make claims if the nurses win, so the government will fight it, at least for a while.


*Did somebody mention that they do 13 hour shifts and 7 nights in a row too? Isn't that illegal?
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Why am I paying 3.5k in fees for my daughter then?

Your paying admin fees and student levees, same as nurses




That's part of their education.

Do other pub sector jobs have unpaid placement throughout their degrees. Afaik teachers dont go on placement for the first 3 years of theirs.



That's not bad at all for a starting salary. Cue the comparisons with top end 1% Google programmers.

Teacher starts at 36k gardai at 29k



The laundry room position will still be stuck down at that level several years hence.

Nurses max out around 44k after 12 years with no further promotion/education. A teacher retires at 68k which is insane when you look at the holidays they get along with that ( https://www.education.ie/en/Educatio...ry-Scales.html )

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I think they deserve it. From a quick skim of the inmo payscale it seems to take about 8 years to get to 40 grand from grad.

(Great cash in Cavan/Mayo general, but rubbish trying to live in in Dublin central)

If you want to keep keen bright staff in the job ya gotta pay them. And I'd reckon nurses have got lots of options for other jobs to go to.


However.... The other unions teachers etc etc will be watching to make claims if the nurses win, so the government will fight it, at least for a while.


*Did somebody mention that they do 13 hour shifts and 7 nights in a row too? Isn't that illegal?

I know this isn’t directed at me.
Nurses hours are based on quarters.
Every quarter you can’t work more than 48hours per week average.
Eg Jan - March, working 3 weeks of nights average and the rest days. Once the total amount of hours doesn’t add up to more than 48 hours averaged over the 3 months then it is legal.

Hospitals seem to be changing the way they roster though. A lot of hospitals will have their nights over 2 weeks. 4 nights week 1 and then 3 week 2 with 7 off in between. The negative side to that is that you could finish nights Monday morning and be back on day shifts on Tuesday.
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