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Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread IV

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  • #62
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,136 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Last game for Ire was 14th June which was 4 weeks ago Saturday just gone so I suppose that's a relatively long break for players at their level.


  • #63
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    former legend wrote: »
    Tweeted by Munster earlier https://vine.co/v/MQBMA6YXgQq
    Would have thought the likes of O'Connell would have another couple of weeks off.

    They get 4 weeks off. The second Argentina test was June 14th, so he's back on schedule.


  • #64
    former legend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭former legend


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    Last game for Ire was 14th June which was 4 weeks ago Saturday just gone so I suppose that's a relatively long break for players at their level.

    I was more thinking about it from the point of view that he probably won't play a match for another 10 weeks or so which makes for a long pre-season, but my main point was "oh look, the internationals are back training".


  • #65
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    former legend wrote: »
    I was more thinking about it from the point of view that he probably won't play a match for another 10 weeks or so which makes for a long pre-season, but my main point was "oh look, the internationals are back training".

    Isn't the 10 weeks from their last match rather then from the start of pre season? It's been followed pretty loosely in the last few years though.


  • #66
    slingerz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,248 ✭✭✭slingerz


    any ideas on the dates of the fixtures for the european cup???


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  • #67
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    slingerz wrote: »
    any ideas on the dates of the fixtures for the european cup???

    As far as anyone knows there's still no TV deal in France. Until that's resolved I can't see any fixtures being released.


  • #68
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    As far as anyone knows there's still no TV deal in France. Until that's resolved I can't see any fixtures being released.

    There's currently a legal row between Canal+ and BeIn Sport about the awarding of the Top14 rights to Canal+, despite BeIn's offer being allegedly better. The story seems to be that LNR put out the rights to tender, suddenly awarded them to Canal and BeIn were raging. Until that's resolved there won't be any decision on French TV rights for ERCC.


  • #69
    slingerz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,248 ✭✭✭slingerz


    thanks folks, disaster trying to organise stuff!


  • #70
    lazybones32
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    former legend wrote: »
    Tweeted by Munster earlier https://vine.co/v/MQBMA6YXgQq
    Would have thought the likes of O'Connell would have another couple of weeks off.

    I think Paulie doesn't do the full sessions with the squad anymore but gets a more specialised, tailored training. But yeah, professional players get a relatively short break...and they have to work over Christmas too.


  • #71
    ssaye2
    Registered Users Posts: 4,632 ✭✭✭ssaye2


    http://www.munsterrugby.ie/news/18777.php#.U8fL2fldXYg

    Outgoing Munster forward Ian Nagle will take a break from professional rugby for the immediate future.


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  • #72
    thomond2006
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    ssaye2 wrote: »
    http://www.munsterrugby.ie/news/18777.php#.U8fL2fldXYg

    Outgoing Munster forward Ian Nagle will take a break from professional rugby for the immediate future.

    Wow that's a big decision by him. I suppose unless you're in the top bracket of players with big salaries, being a professional player isn't very lucrative in the long term. Once you've left the bubble then suddenly you're in the real world having not worked in a 'normal' job for years and lacking experience. Realistically Nagle wasn't going to make much money with pro rugby having been a squad player at Munster for years and injury prone.


  • #73
    letowski
    Registered Users Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭letowski


    Disappointed how things have finished up with Ian.

    People will always say he was overrated after the Aus match, but to be fair to the lad there was still no reason he couldn't have made a top second row at that time in his career. He was always an excellent line out operator, but it was clear injuries ruined his development. He never grew into a physical, aggressive player and his work rate probably wasn't the highest either. Obviously, being behind POC, DOC, MOD, Ryan didn't help either. It possible he could have done better at Northampton when they offered him a move a few seasons ago too.

    Had he managed to stay injury free, things could well have been different.


  • #74
    FrannoFan
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    Feel sorry for ,in a way that MOM award in a high profile game against oz was a curse as people expected a lot straight away. Rejecting the move to Northampton was also a poor judgement. Perhaps a fault of the provinces is that while creating loyalty sometimes the best chances of development are overlooked. A lot of lads at various provinces are going nowhere and missing out on potential first team action and improvement(thinking Dom Ryan at leinster at the moment)


  • #75
    The Lost Sheep
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Wow that's a big decision by him. I suppose unless you're in the top bracket of players with big salaries, being a professional player isn't very lucrative in the long term. Once you've left the bubble then suddenly you're in the real world having not worked in a 'normal' job for years and lacking experience. Realistically Nagle wasn't going to make much money with pro rugby having been a squad player at Munster for years and injury prone.
    Big decision. Wonder if he'll think back in time on why he didn't take up that deal in England.
    letowski wrote: »
    Disappointed how things have finished up with Ian.

    People will always say he was overrated after the Aus match, but to be fair to the lad there was still no reason he couldn't have made a top second row at that time in his career. He was always an excellent line out operator, but it was clear injuries ruined his development. He never grew into a physical, aggressive player and his work rate probably wasn't the highest either. Obviously, being behind POC, DOC, MOD, Ryan didn't help either. It possible he could have done better at Northampton when they offered him a move a few seasons ago too.

    Had he managed to stay injury free, things could well have been different.
    Behind Billy Holland as well. Was unfortunate he couldn't match the Australian performance but when he had so many decent options around it was always going to be impossible.
    FrannoFan wrote: »
    Feel sorry for ,in a way that MOM award in a high profile game against oz was a curse as people expected a lot straight away. Rejecting the move to Northampton was also a poor judgement. Perhaps a fault of the provinces is that while creating loyalty sometimes the best chances of development are overlooked. A lot of lads at various provinces are going nowhere and missing out on potential first team action and improvement(thinking Dom Ryan at leinster at the moment)
    Hopefully our new performance director plays a big role in ensuring guys like this move between provinces to help where provinces have problem positions or great strength in depth


  • #76
    ArmchairQB
    Registered Users Posts: 958 ✭✭✭ArmchairQB


    Brave decision and didn't make any excuses or try and get released due to injury etc. Best of luck to him and hope it all works out!


  • #77
    jm08
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Big decision. Wonder if he'll think back in time on why he didn't take up that deal in England.
    Behind Billy Holland as well. Was unfortunate he couldn't match the Australian performance but when he had so many decent options around it was always going to be impossible.

    Hopefully our new performance director plays a big role in ensuring guys like this move between provinces to help where provinces have problem positions or great strength in depth

    He would have had the same injury problems in England and they would have dumped him much quicker over there.


  • #78
    thomond2006
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    jm08 wrote: »
    He would have had the same injury problems in England and they would have dumped him much quicker over there.

    All ifs and buts really. Maybe he would have had the same injuries, maybe he wouldn't have. Maybe he was badly advised to stay. He was immense in that Australia match and you would have expected him to be in the spot that Dave Foley is in now.

    Jaundre Kruger was a Vodacom / Currie Cup player when he moved to Northampton from the Bulls, at a time when Matfield and Botha were guaranteed starters. Kruger became a starter at Northampton for the few years he was there, then went back to the Bulls once Matfield and Botha were gone and became a starter for them and a Springbok. Now he's at Racing and probably on great money. Nagle could have had a similar career path: With top class internationals barring your path, go away for a few years for consistent starts and come back in a few years to Munster to challenge as a starter once POC and DOC were getting on. All ifs and buts!

    I'm surprised Munster put a contract on the table for him, with five locks already under contract and three in the academy.


  • #79
    The Lost Sheep
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    jm08 wrote: »
    He would have had the same injury problems in England and they would have dumped him much quicker over there.
    Maybe but he would have had more consistent gametime and starts when fit than he did by staying here

    Latest pre season video
    http://www.munsterrugby.ie/munster-view.php


  • #80
    athtrasna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    Anyone know how soon the internationals will feature in the Pro12? IIRC they tend to sit out Pre-season games and September? It's a tough balance between rest and readying for the makeup uppy Heineken Cup replacement thing.

    Looks like I'll be spending a lot of time in Cork next year, my ST is Musgrave..living in Dublin it's the more economical of the two options ;)


  • #81
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,295 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    All explained here:

    Nagle excited about new adventure, but not closing door on rugby
    The 25-year-old former Munster lock explains his decision to take time out of the professional game.

    http://www.thescore.ie/ian-nagle-munster-break-rugby-1579266-Jul2014/


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  • #82
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,712 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Tommy Creamer died today, the man on the PA for Shannon Home games and I think he did it for Munster games too. RIP
    Shannon RFC (@ shannonrfc) tweeted at 9:40 PM on Mon, Jul 21, 2014:
    @shannonrfc extend deepest sympathies to family & friends of Tommy Creamer who passed away today May he rest in peace http://t.co/q09OVJMqPO


  • #83
    The Lost Sheep
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    phog wrote: »
    Tommy Creamer died today, the man on the PA for Shannon Home games and I think he did it for Munster games too. RIP
    He did it for Munster games in Thomond for years. RIP


  • #84
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Looking at the irfu annual reports section onthe loan to munster over thomond there is going to be a lot of pressure on munster to sell 10 year tickets when the current ones expire in a few years.


  • #85
    Kirk Van Houten
    Registered Users Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Kirk Van Houten


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Looking at the irfu annual reports section onthe loan to munster over thomond there is going to be a lot of pressure on munster to sell 10 year tickets when the current ones expire in a few years.

    the loan has been refinanced for a further 10 years and is now interest free.

    the large repayment in 2017 is likely to come from either the resale of the 10 year tickets or stadium/stand naming rights. The amount of the repayment for 2017 allows for a drop off of about 50% of the 10 year ticket numbers assuming the same price as before.


  • #86
    bennyl10
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    Slightly off topic but Tommy Creamer, the voice behind Thomond Park, has passed away this evening. Reported from the MRSC..

    matches wont be the same without him..
    May he rest in peace #RIP


  • #87
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,712 ✭✭✭✭phog


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    He did it for Munster games in Thomond for years. RIP

    I thought as much but wasn't sure if he continued after Thomond Park was redeveloped.


  • #88
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Slightly off topic but Tommy Creamer, the voice behind Thomond Park, has passed away this evening. Reported from the MRSC..

    matches wont be the same without him..
    May he rest in peace #RIP
    phog wrote: »
    I thought as much but wasn't sure if he continued after Thomond Park was redeveloped.

    Tommy hadn't been the stadium announcer since 2004. His last game was the HEC quarter final against Stade Francais that year.
    Never took to the new guy and his inability to mangle foreign names :) RIP Tommy.


  • #89
    ssaye2
    Registered Users Posts: 4,632 ✭✭✭ssaye2


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsxpObGFS_s


  • #90
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,712 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Munster squad are doing the race again this year.
    It's back! Wednesday will see Munster players embark on the ultimate teambuilding quest, as they make their way across the province in the Munster Race 2014.


    Last year it was the talk of the team, and the talk of the town, and this year is set to be no different as 6 groups of players will be dropped at different locations around the province on Wednesday morning. They will reach their final destination in Dingle by Thursday evening, ahead of an open training session at Rugbaí Corca Duibhne on Friday morning at 10:30am.

    Full details of groups, locations and how to track the progress of players will be posted here on Monday morning.


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  • #91
    kub
    Registered Users Posts: 6,528 ✭✭✭kub


    phog wrote: »
    Munster squad are doing the race again this year.

    More mackerel for Stander, he likes them.


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