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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭thomasj


    This seems to be the best area for an enclosed space




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    The statement is technically correct.... assuming you're getting the limited service 76a on a weekday or getting the L51 to wards adamstown and switching to the L52😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭thomasj


    😆 just as well the 90 minute ticket is there. either way youll be taking 2 or 3 buses to Blanch

    Post edited by thomasj on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    A fully enclosed shelter might attract the wrong sort



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,300 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I was observing the buses moving around Blackrock in the Real Time Ireland app at home just before 7pm this evening.

    A bus on the 84 driving along Newtown Avenue was about 20 minutes late before it arrived near PTSB in Blackrock.

    It was meant to arrive in Blackrock at 18:37. It arrived there at 18:57. Does anyone have any info on why that particular bus was running later than usual. Is it normal for a bus to arrive into Blackrock late while it's on the 84?

    There were some smaller delays found on 3 other routes.

    The 7 bus to Brídes Glen was 9 minutes late.

    The 17 was 4 minutes late upon arrival into Blackrock Station. However it did appear to go out on time for the next 17 to Rialto. Or it could have went out on the next 114 which was due to leave the station just before 7pm.

    The 114 had subsequently left Blackrock Station about 3 minutes late.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Plenty of room on the tarmac area where the cars and trucks used to queue up and convert the ferry terminal itself into office use. Obviously you'd want to tie it in with the DART station.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭thomasj




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭xper


    Re the late 84, no idea about that particular departure but any route running through Bray is at the mercy of the gridlock gods.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12 transportrian


    A large info screen for all stops/'platforms' like what they have at Eindhoven's Woensel bus interchange would be helpful, but that might be too much to ask for! we are lucky to get the interchange itself.




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,727 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    you don't have to go to Eindhoven to find an example, there's a similar screen in Pearse Station showing all the nearby bus stops (possibly Connolly too).

    someone mentioned it above, a coffee dock would do a bomb at that bus interchange - IDK how far you have to walk into the shopping centre to get a coffee though, maybe there's one nearby.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,271 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Most of the routes it was designed Ed to serve don't yet exist though



  • Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭Reversal


    What I have heard is that the NTA are opposing that effort for a connection to Adamstown citing a perceived negative of creating a temporary connection that will be later taken away. (replaced with the original plan.)

    This frankly is a pathetic position to take and at total odds with the national strategy towards sustainable transport and the recently approved GDA transport strategy that is largely based on intermodal connectivity. Given that the engineering works at Hazelhatch are years away from completion (going by the NTA's own testimony at the transport committee), refusing to implement a practically simple solution to connect a rapidly growing, and car dependent area of the capital to a high capacity rail service, just because people might whinge down the line shows a chronic level of ambition and goes a long ways to explain why progress on transport in Ireland is so slow.

    Implement the temporary connection to Adamstown now, publicly warn people its temporary so potential future whingers don't have a leg to stand on, and then have all the time in the world to work on the bridge at HH. In the meantime, starting from now thousands of people for first time have the option of commuting by rail without also using a car.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,542 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    That’s not really true though.

    Three BusConnects routes are there already (G2, L51 and L53).

    Only three more are yet to come and while they may be more frequent, they do replace services that are at the plaza already:

    • The 80 replaces the 26
    • The W2 replaces the 76 between Liffey Valley and Tallaght
    • Only the S4 is new but it replaces the 76 between Liffey Valley and Ballyfermot


  • Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    There's a Starbucks right opposite it and countless other food and beverage options further into the shopping centre. If a majority of the interchange passengers are shoppers, I'd imagine they'll have made food or drink purchases prior to making their way to buses home. Not sure how many transit pax would want a coffee in the hopefully few minutes they need to wait between switching buses. A hot/cold drinks and snacks vending machine would probably be a more viable option here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    The LV plaza looks very good. I know there are plans to install a new footbridge to connect with C services on N4. Anyone know the timeline for this? At the moment it's a heck of a trek from the Plaza to the N4 particularly if travelling Eastbound.

    I agree that a general timetable/RTPI/map would be very beneficial particularly showing how to get to N4 and an RTPI for the nearest stop there for the C routes. Good progress though and I'll give it time to bed down, there might be further plans in the pipeline.



  • Registered Users Posts: 927 ✭✭✭d51984


    Spotted this on Twitter and smiled, Build it and they will come.

    ''01:30am and the number 15 bus home is nearly full.

    Not a nitelink, just an ordinary route running 24 hours.

    I hope every bus route in Dublin will have this eventually @dublinbusnews''


    Its a disgrace Joe!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭xper


    Good to see and good to see it being put out there. Though one laments the still common perception of the tweeter on display that Dublin Bus decides when and where services run



  • Registered Users Posts: 267 ✭✭Lifelike


    Come to think of it, would it not make sense for the NTA to just go ahead and launch a full W6 route that routes via Adamstown, using the newly opened Celbridge to Adamstown link road? It may arguably be even better than the route via Hazelhatch as it would open up valuable direct links between Adamstown and Celbridge/Newcastle/Tallaght/Maynooth and would provide Peamount Hospital with proper public transport links to the wider area for the first time. It would also be a far better use of limited resources rather than two disjointed routes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭thomasj


    A few more VTs have come out of storage and back on the 39A this morning !



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,227 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Don't see it mentioned on this thread, but I just noticed that TFI have submitted a planning application for a bus interchange at the Red Cow Luas - no documents uploaded yet though : https://planning.agileapplications.ie/southdublin/application-details/63798



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Interesting, hopefully the temporary one currently there gets replaced with something more akin to the new Liffey Valley one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭Reversal


    That's kind of genius actually. That would meet all the objectives of the original alignment and makes the route even more useful.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭thomasj



    Dublin Bus has written to the National Transport Authority (NTA) saying the lack of taxis is causing a “huge demand” on its services and is leading to antisocial behaviour and passengers being left behind.

    In a letter to the authority in November seeking extra capacity, Dublin Bus said it was “effectively the only public transport operator” available to people late at night and early morning, “especially over the weekends”.

    “This is leading to ongoing antisocial behaviour and frustration due to the large demand, and we are leaving customers behind,” the company said.

    “We are all aware of the pressures resulting from driver shortages, however it is our view that this issue must be addressed immediately to avoid serious safety issues over the coming weeks.

    “This weekend saw serious overcrowding and many instances of customers left behind and we expect this trend to continue for the coming weeks,” it said.

    The correspondence was released to The Irish Times under the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act.

    A spokesman for the company told The Irish Times it regularly engages with the NTA on “all operational matters under the terms of our direct award contract” and highlighted an increase in customer demand as part of that process.

    The NTA said it had approved a number of overnight additional capacity services to alleviate capacity issues including those flagged by Dublin Bus for the Christmas period.



  • Registered Users Posts: 927 ✭✭✭d51984


    Gas a few years ago Dublin Bus would tell you that no one wanted to use a bus after 11:30 at night. On a serious note, what can be done here? There struggling with drivers as it is.

    Its a disgrace Joe!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,174 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Does anyone know if all the liffey valley bus routes are up and running now, since they opened the new interchange?

    People saying on a pay for parking thread at LV that the buses dont seem to be any busier since the car parking charges came in and plenty of people just getting dropped at the entrance by car.

    Coukd be that not all bus routes are operating yet into LV, hence scope for higher bus passenger numbers in the future?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    There's still the S4 and W2 to come along, but that's just a restructuring of the section of the 76 between Tallaght and Ballyfermot - S4 will continue on towards UCD after Ballyfermot, using sections of the 18 and 17, along with some sections of currently unserved areas.

    The 80 will just be a renumbering of the 26 and then extended from town to Balinteer (essentially replacing the 14 from town to Balinteer).

    There's also the W4, which is the new route from Tallaght that will link Liffey Valley with Blanch via the m50, but that will use the stops on the N4 and not the new interchange.

    So there's no more "new" routes incoming per say, just renumbering and some new areas served.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,174 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    great thanks.

    So not lilkey to increase bus passengers further by the sound of it into LV.

    Were they expecting an increase?

    I assume so, given the creation of the interchange.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    It wasnt built purely for increasing passenger numbers.

    The previous terminus wasn't fit for purpose. Buses were barely able to pull in to let people off/on due to other buses laying over and there was barely any sheltered areas for the number of people using it.

    The new interchange is a lot closer to the main areas of the shopping centre and also the bus stops on the N4, and they will be even closer once the Lucan CBC project is complete.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,542 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Well the plan is that frequency on the 80, S4 and W2 will all be greater than the 26 and 76 and 76a, while the W4 will link Blanchardstown with the stops on the C-Spine and Tallaght all day, compared to a very limited 76a service.

    They will facilitate more connectivity to/from the centre when they are launched.

    All of that depends on new drivers being hired.

    We already have a new service in the form of the L53 which takes a far more direct route from the centre to south Lucan and Adamstown than the C-Spine.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    People's observations are usually very poor and lack of scientific proof. So whoever see a few samples and make a decision is irrelevant. These routes don't bring people to/from LV only. They just happen to terminate at this location to make good connections due to a good location. But buses doesn't have to leave and come packed to LV as they serve many other areas through the whole stretch of the route.



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