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Violent Protests In Hong Kong.

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    #32
    BlackandGreen
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    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    This is the sort of post where I like to keep an eye on the Thanks.


    They're not a new reg or anything so I wouldn't think they're pro PRC shill or anything. But it's such a laughable ignorant response.
    Honestly if anything like this happened in Ireland (again). We'd be truly f*cked. So many Irish people are spineless cowards and we'd just be steamrolled.


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    #33
    Gatling
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    Seen a report the other day where the Chinese military were practicing for riot and public order ,
    It's likely before long the Chinese government will go full marshal law and mass deploy Chinese military forces to restore order,


    We all remember tiananmen square
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    #34
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Gatling wrote: »
    Seen a report the other day where the Chinese military were practicing for riot and public order ,
    It's likely before long the Chinese government will go full marshal law and mass deploy Chinese military forces to restore order,


    We all remember tiananmen square

    Elmer would probably deny that anything newsworthy has ever happened in Tiananmen Square...


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    #35
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    This was released by the Chinese government two days ago


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvilmqJa8Yg
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    #36
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Yeah the statement from Beijing yesterday definitely suggests they are soon to send in the 'Peoples Liberation Army' to liberate Hong Kongers of that pesky democracy they hold dear. The US has been remarkably quiet on all this, if PLA troops storm Hong Kong we could be looking at a massacre far worse than Tianamen, the only thing the Chinese would be worried about is it being caught on camera.


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    #37
    Sonny noggs
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    Subtle. The pole to get in the window was cool though. Think they stole that from an early Seagal movie.


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    #38
    BlackandGreen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭BlackandGreen


    Gatling wrote: »
    This was released by the Chinese government two days ago


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvilmqJa8Yg


    I've seen reports from people who live in China that the news regarding the HK crisis is largely censored, but when it is being reported its forcibly being insert as adverts in webservices like tiktok, and depicts protestors as the ones beating police and makes them out to be the bad guys.

    No impartial reporting. Just government brainwashing and PLA propaganda videos.


    One of the many things HK'ers are protesting against.


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    #39
    Muahahaha
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    That video is incredible at how brazen it is and especially so as it is the Hong Kong garrison of the PLA who released it. They're basically saying look whats coming next to the protesters.

    Id also fear that the Chinese have already infiltrated the protest groups to flush out the leaders. They'll be working to disappear them.


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    #40
    gutenberg
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    BlackandGreen wrote: »
    I've seen reports from people who live in China that the news regarding the HK crisis is largely censored, but when it is being reported its forcibly being insert as adverts in webservices like tiktok, and depicts protestors as the ones beating police and makes them out to be the bad guys.

    No impartial reporting. Just government brainwashing and PLA propaganda videos.


    One of the many things HK'ers are protesting against.

    I was in China a few weeks ago, and had access to CNN & BBC News in the hotel room. Once any item about HK came on, the screen went black. Only came back on once they had moved on to the next segment. Absolutely terrifying.


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    #41
    Cheerful Spring2
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Yeah the statement from Beijing yesterday definitely suggests they are soon to send in the 'Peoples Liberation Army' to liberate Hong Kongers of that pesky democracy they hold dear. The US has been remarkably quiet on all this, if PLA troops storm Hong Kong we could be looking at a massacre far worse than Tianamen, the only thing the Chinese would be worried about is it being caught on camera.

    Problem is there heavy rioting and the protestors are smashing up the city. China will only tolerate this for so long. Police can't handle the situation. China will declare martial law and then troops will pour in to restore order. Anarchy just today this reported.

    Riot police in Hong Kong have fired teargas and rubber bullets on protesters in at least five locations as demonstrators staged a daylong citywide strike during which two cars rammed the crowds.

    Officers charged protesters who had occupied roads, surrounded police stations, and staged a rally near government offices on Monday. Police fired multiple rounds of teargas, pepper spray and rubber bullets and had arrested 82 people by the early evening.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/05/hong-kong-riot-police-fire-teargas-at-protesters-as-two-cars-ram-crowds


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    #42
    Gatling
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Problem is there heavy rioting and the protestors are smashing up the city. China will only tolerate this for so long.

    But there not smashing up the city unless you're quoting Chinese government sources .
    They had a go at a police station to show the Chinese police they weren't afraid
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    #43
    Cheerful Spring2
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    Gatling wrote: »
    But there not smashing up the city unless you're quoting Chinese government sources .
    They had a go at a police station to show the Chinese police they weren't afraid

    This is not a peaceful protest they are storming government buildings.



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    #44
    Cheerful Spring2
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    Place gone mental and modern developed city too, imagine getting caught up in this madness?



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    #45
    Gatling
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Place gone mental and modern developed city

    Talking sensational posts .


    Cop on .


    Did you ever think the people of Hong Kong have had enough of Chinese authoritism
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    #46
    ILoveYourVibes
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    This is not a peaceful protest they are storming government buildings.

    China has huge concentration camps of Uyghers. This is well known in Hong Kong.


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    #47
    BlackandGreen
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    This is not a peaceful protest they are storming government buildings.



    Sorry, what do you expect them to do? Lie down and let China destroy their city and culture and everything they've known?

    This is a direct result of nothing else working. ]
    Cop yourself on.


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    #48
    Cheerful Spring2
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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    China has huge concentration camps of Uyghers. This is well known in Hong Kong.

    Police in Ireland would not tolerate protestors storming Dáil Éireann and smashing the place up, so don't expect the chinese to just sit back and allow this kind of thing to continue. China is showing restraint so far, but the place is a mess right now and order will need to be restored soon. Cars are ramming protestors right now today, that can't continue. China has to protect both sides from killing each other and its a dangerous situation.


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    #49
    BlackandGreen
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    As has been a regular occurance, several press/journalists were injured by police.
    Journalists reacted angrily and formed outside the police station in the last hour angrily demanding answers. One of them was also dragged inside but later released.


    A fire has been lit to try and slow the riot polices advances just now but it seems fire brigade is extinguishing it.



    Also, much of the protestors have gone home and as we've seen happen during the past assemblies, once the protestors go home, the residents of the neighborhoods have emerged to criticise police and ask them to leave their neighborhood.



    Also reminder that the only reason these protests turn violent is because the government has stone walled them. Their right to peaceful assembly is being erroded and collared.
    Each and every protest turned messy purely because police show up in mass and rush/trample indiscriminately.

    Press, civilians, children, and protestors have been batoned and tear gassed.



    This is continuing purely because the government and police are compounding it.



    But lets not forget lads...throwing a flag in the river makes you the instigator justifies chinese goons beating you and your civil rights asunder. :rolleyes:


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    #50
    ILoveYourVibes
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Police in Ireland would not tolerate protestors storming Dáil Éireann and smashing the place up, so don't expect the chinese to just sit back and allow this kind of thing to continue. China is showing restraint so far, but the place is a mess right now and order will need to be restored soon. Cars are ramming protestors right now today, that can't continue. China has to protect both sides from killing each other and its a dangerous situation.

    Does the Irish govt harvest the organs of the Irish people?


    Are you serious? China doesn't protect humans it protects its power. It CRUSHES humans.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China

    They are right to fight. Its beyond what it is possible to live with.

    the hukou system
    No freedom of association.
    Forced abortions.
    Labor Camps (TO THIS DAY)
    ORGAN HARVESTING.
    Political abuse of psychiatry.


    They used the organs of members of the Falun Gong sect to sell to transplant tourists.
    n 2006 allegations emerged that the vital organs of non-consenting Falun Gong practitioners had been used to supply China's organ tourism industry.[98][110] In 2008, two United Nations Special Rapporteurs reiterated their requests for "the Chinese government to fully explain the allegation of taking vital organs from Falun Gong practitioners and the source of organs for the sudden increase in organ transplants that has been going on in China since the year 2000

    Its estimated 60,000 were killed for their organs from 2000 to 2008.

    The forced labour of uighurs.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/16/world/asia/xinjiang-china-forced-labor-camps-uighurs.html

    For years and years Hong Kong police have been pushing the boundaries.

    They have been using unlawful methods for yrs. They have harassed the falun gong sect for years in hong Kong.

    Enough is enough.


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    #51
    Elmer Blooker
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Police in Ireland would not tolerate protestors storming D reann and smashing the place up, so don't expect the chinese to just sit back and allow this kind of thing to continue. China is showing restraint so far, but the place is a mess right now and order will need to be restored soon. Cars are ramming protestors right now today, that can't continue. China has to protect both sides from killing each other and its a dangerous situation.
    Reminding me of Kiev February 2014 more and more by the day.
    Did you take note of who thanked above post Sonny?
    When Ukrainians decided they had enough of putin
    I don't think Ukrainians 'decided' anything.


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    #52
    Gatling
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    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    Reminding me of Kiev February 2014

    When Ukrainians decided they had enough of putin



    Thanks myself
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    #53
    ILoveYourVibes
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    I don't get the two above posts sorry some of it is going over my head!

    Who is thanking posts?


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    #54
    Gatling
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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    I don't get the two above posts

    Let's just put it like this one poster dwells under a bridge and wants to see the glorious rise of the Soviet Union and Berlin wall again.

    He was referring to the mass protests against the russian puppet government in Ukraine , which led to the invasion, occupation and annexation or parts of Ukraine by russian military forces
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    #55
    ILoveYourVibes
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Let's just put it like this one poster dwells under a bridge and wants to see the glorious rise of the Soviet Union and Berlin wall again.

    He was referring to the mass protests against the russian puppet government in Ukraine , which led to the invasion, occupation and annexation or parts of Ukraine by russian military forces
    The Euromaidan. I remember.

    I don't think china will bring in the army. They would lose hong kong forever.

    They will wait till it dies down for five yrs. Then when its quiet they will bring in the army.

    I am really reluctant to post anything on social media some of my friends family live in hong kong and mainland china. We've had conversations about not posting stuff that will draw attention them.


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    #56
    auspicious
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    I thought this was a great picture.




    ( More than very likely a coincidence, when I posted about the Uighurs a month or so ago on here, I received a Google security alert half an hour later.)


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    #57
    Harry Palmr
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    Hong Kong has to keep this up because the rest of the world is not coming to their rescue if they just acquiesce.


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    #58
    dublin99
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    I have followed the events closely.

    The HK Govt has given the power/responsibility to the local Police. Basically HK is now a Police State. When the Chief Secretary (no. 2 Official after Chief Executive) apologised in a press conference about the police inaction on 21.7 in Yuen Long, the Police went for him publicly and he had to grovel....altho the Police Force is technically under him.

    This video is a TV programme made by RTHK (the equivalent of RTE) showing what happened in Yuen Long 21.7 and how Police colluded with triads (in white shirts). Subtitle is poor but skim through and you can get a feel of what happened.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbilbAwNi0k&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2zqbmqvUzo0E1pke8SbMCCjHCalFdmMHoB_fOMPUmrjDsd4wvbPEqSIco

    Unfortunately similar events took place in other parts of Hong Kong yesterday following protests/general strikes, in North Point and Tsuen Wan. Again Police were nowhere to be seen. These triads were believed to be associated with the Hokkien clan.

    There is evidence that Mainland Police or military Police were amongst the local officers, including clips of "HK Police" speaking perfect mainland Mandarin and addressing his colleagues as "comrade" (not a term used in HK). That also explains the majority of them did not have numbers on uniform or warrant cards at all, and some were noticed to have footwear that did not match the HK uniform!

    The Police have got out of control, especially after repeated "praises" from the top....the use of unnecessary force and huge number of (out of date!) tear gas, firing rounds od non lethal weapons directly at head level against International guidelines like ICCPR. They charge at peaceful protesters and bystanders and beat people on the head with batons with extra metal studs. (see attached photo).

    I can go on and on....the Chinese Officials are their usual lying selves blaming "foreign influence" (namely US) on funding the protesters etc. They don't realise people have independent thinking despite their attempts to brain wash younger generation through "reforming" education. People have had enough and unlike the 2014 Umbrella Movement, the current revolution will not fizzle out.


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    #59
    ILoveYourVibes
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    China has already an army base in Hong Kong. They have never used it but its there.


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    #60
    Muahahaha
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    BlackandGreen wrote: »

    Also reminder that the only reason these protests turn violent is because the government has stone walled them. Their right to peaceful assembly is being erroded and collared.
    Each and every protest turned messy purely because police show up in mass and rush/trample indiscriminately.

    Press, civilians, children, and protestors have been batoned and tear gassed.

    This is continuing purely because the government and police are compounding it.

    But lets not forget lads...throwing a flag in the river makes you the instigator justifies chinese goons beating you and your civil rights asunder. :rolleyes:

    As with all major protests there will be an extreme minority who want to have a ruck with the police. The movement has had over 1.5m people on the streets yet just a couple of hundred stormed the parliament buillding. Government then try to label the entire movement and all protestors as violent extremists. Sure we saw it here with the water protests, attempts were made by media and the govt. to label all protestors as unhinged welfare layabouts.


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    #61
    Gatling
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    Thousands of protesters are currently carrying out peaceful sit in protests including at Hong Kong international airport they are handing out leaflets in 16 languages to arriving passengers explaining what and why they are protesting.
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