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EGR Failure - Volkwagon

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  • #32
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭pablo128


    shietpilot wrote: »
    This is exactly why the dealers don't mess about. Why should they use their equipment and diagnose a fault only for the owner to do the cheap fix themselves?

    Although the same dealer probably sold the customer the same solenoid?

    If you think about it, in your view they shouldn't sell spare parts to the general public so.


  • #33
    shietpilot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭shietpilot


    pablo128 wrote: »
    Although the same dealer probably sold the customer the same solenoid?

    This is exactly why they do not diagnose faults for free.
    pablo128 wrote: »
    If you think about it, in your view they shouldn't sell spare parts to the general public so.

    Nothing wrong with selling spare parts to the public. It's a completely different scenario when someone with a problem with their cars brings it to a dealership, expects to get free diagnosis (by getting a mechanic to have a look or by using a computer) and then f*ck off and fix it themselves.

    Replacing parts on a car is very easy, most people can do it. Finding the problem is the hard bit!


  • #34
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭pablo128


    shietpilot wrote: »
    This is exactly why they do not diagnose faults for free.



    Nothing wrong with selling spare parts to the public. It's a completely different scenario when someone with a problem with their cars brings it to a dealership, expects to get free diagnosis (by getting a mechanic to have a look or by using a computer) and then f*ck off and fix it themselves.

    Replacing parts on a car is very easy, most people can do it. Finding the problem is the hard bit!

    You're ok then with the dealer wanting to replace the whole gearbox, when it didn't need to be replaced?

    As far as I know, most main dealers charge a fee for plugging in to diagnose a problem.


  • #35
    shietpilot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭shietpilot


    pablo128 wrote: »
    You're ok then with the dealer wanting to replace the whole gearbox, when it didn't need to be replaced?

    As far as I know, most main dealers charge a fee for plugging in to diagnose a problem.

    You're going into a totally new point now. Have a look at my first post and see what I highlighted.


  • #36
    Kingkong
    Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭Kingkong


    Hey Guys;

    Just a quick update.

    I got a second opinion from another VW Garage and they quoted me 1,200 for the fix. Still no Goodwill being offered.

    From my own research and above posts, I belive this is a complex job and no sure if its worth risking someone else doing the job if there not experienced doing this.

    Its way to expensive though.


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  • #37
    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    Kingkong wrote: »
    Hey Guys;

    Just a quick update.

    I got a second opinion from another VW Garage and they quoted me 1,200 for the fix. Still no Goodwill being offered.

    From my own research and above posts, I belive this is a complex job and no sure if its worth risking someone else doing the job if there not experienced doing this.

    Its way to expensive though.

    It is not a trivial fix, but by no means it is complex or requiring special skills, tools or environment. It just seems labour intensive and as explained above the part itself might be expensive too.

    A good cleaning of the EGR valve (although taking it out and putting back will cost the same as fitting a new one) might solve your problem. Decision is down to the cost of the part alone.

    Get a quote from some independent VAG garage - they would have seen it and will have a very good idea how intensive it is and what a good fix will be. In majority of cases the dealer will only suggest fitting a new part.


  • #38
    George Dalton
    Registered Users Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭George Dalton


    Cleaning it is a total waste of time. Non genuine valves are a total waste of time.

    For supply and fit of a genuine VW valve and associated parts in an independent garage you'd be looking at €650-700. The part is covered by the VW 2 year warranty.


  • #39
    Kingkong
    Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭Kingkong


    Hey;

    So I found out today as part of getting the part changed , the ECU will need a software update that can only be done through VW. If the EGR is changed and software is not updated the car will not start.


  • #40
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭pablo128


    George Dalton wrote: »
    Cleaning it is a total waste of time. Non genuine valves are a total waste of time.

    For supply and fit of a genuine VW valve and associated parts in an independent garage you'd be looking at €650-700. The part is covered by the VW 2 year warranty.

    George if you don't mind, what's your view on blanking them off?


  • #41
    Special Circumstances
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    Ja, das ist gut.

    c9f629523bc48db20cc11bf5b60130fd&w=620&sx=0&sy=31&sw=1000&sh=548&q=75&w=620

    It's only a gimmick to get them out the door with some kinda emissions credibility, no one really expects you to keep egr, dpf, cat, fap fitted and functional. Emissions checks are for evil petrols. You have the backing of the EU and the green movement in general on this, you're golden. Removing these emissions controls will probably reduce your CO2 emissions and make your car more economical. Jobs a good un as far as the Greens are concerned.


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  • #42
    George Dalton
    Registered Users Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭George Dalton


    Kingkong wrote: »
    Hey;

    So I found out today as part of getting the part changed , the ECU will need a software update that can only be done through VW. If the EGR is changed and software is not updated the car will not start.

    That is absolutely not the case.


  • #43
    Agent_47
    Registered Users Posts: 757 ✭✭✭Agent_47


    Kingkong wrote: »
    Hey Guys;

    Just a quick update.

    I got a second opinion from another VW Garage and they quoted me 1,200 for the fix. Still no Goodwill being offered.

    From my own research and above posts, I belive this is a complex job and no sure if its worth risking someone else doing the job if there not experienced doing this.

    Its way to expensive though.

    Firstly I do hope you did not pick up our 2011 VW 1.6D as that issue you have is precisely why we traded it in for a 151D 1.2 TSI petrol. We had an Inde price a replacement EGR and 3 to 4 hours work for circa €850. Madness, so we traded it in as it had the usual items coming up for replacement. You should at least get VW to provide a goodwill gesture where they pay for the part and you the labour. I got such on a broken window winding mechanism years ago.
    If you do change the part you should be okay for some time as they are a nice drive.


  • #44
    PukkaStukka
    Registered Users Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭PukkaStukka


    Does anyone know if the newer releases of this valve are modified or redesigned? Is there a point in time after which the problem has been fixed at the production line so that cars sold from then on are free from these EGR faults?


  • #45
    ItsLikeThis
    Registered Users Posts: 108 ✭✭ItsLikeThis


    Almost everyone I know with the b7 passat including myself had this problem. I got no goodwill from VW but I did from the independent I bought from. A few weeks later my friend who bought from a VW dealer did get goodwill.


  • #46
    Kingkong
    Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭Kingkong


    George Dalton wrote: »
    That is absolutely not the case.

    Hi Geroge,

    2 independent Mechanices told me they needed to bring it to a VW dealer for the software update once the new part is fitted.

    I can only go on what these guys are telling me. It's costing 1,100 to get it fixed with VW Authoriused Dealer which is 100 more expensive than others have quoted.

    I emailed VW Ireland about it in any case.


  • #47
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users Posts: 73,381 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    To be fair to George, id say he's done a fair few of them, his garage is a VW specialist so chances are he knows what he's on about.


  • #48
    George Dalton
    Registered Users Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭George Dalton


    Kingkong wrote: »
    Hi Geroge,

    2 independent Mechanices told me they needed to bring it to a VW dealer for the software update once the new part is fitted.

    I can only go on what these guys are telling me. It's costing 1,100 to get it fixed with VW Authoriused Dealer which is 100 more expensive than others have quoted.

    Well now a third independent mechanic has told you that you can get it fitted for €650-700 and that the software update is not really necessary. The reason these parts fail is not due to software, it is a combination of bad design and poor quality.


  • #49
    George Dalton
    Registered Users Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭George Dalton


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    To be fair to George, id say he's done a fair few of them, his garage is a VW specialist so chances are he knows what he's on about.

    We've done one or two alright :pac:


  • #50
    shietpilot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭shietpilot


    I wonder if this "software updates" changes how frequently the valve operates, or if it maps it out completely :pac:


  • #51
    George Dalton
    Registered Users Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭George Dalton


    shietpilot wrote: »
    I wonder if this "software updates" changes how frequently the valve operates, or if it maps it out completely :pac:

    I would imagine that it tweaks how the valve operates and maybe includes a setting to move the actuator through its full range of movement regularly.

    It doesn't change the fact that the valve is sh1t. They have 3 separate problems in the same part. Some of them just fail electrically. Some leak coolant and some wear out the roller on the actuator.


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  • #52
    R.O.R
    Registered Users Posts: 12,672 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    George Dalton wrote: »
    I would imagine that it tweaks how the valve operates and maybe includes a setting to move the actuator through its full range of movement regularly.

    It doesn't change the fact that the valve is sh1t. They have 3 separate problems in the same part. Some of them just fail electrically. Some leak coolant and some wear out the roller on the actuator.

    Still better than the Volvo EGR on their new 4 cylinder diesels. So many, multiple failures on them.


  • #53
    PukkaStukka
    Registered Users Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭PukkaStukka


    George Dalton wrote: »
    I would imagine that it tweaks how the valve operates and maybe includes a setting to move the actuator through its full range of movement regularly.

    It doesn't change the fact that the valve is sh1t. They have 3 separate problems in the same part. Some of them just fail electrically. Some leak coolant and some wear out the roller on the actuator.

    What's the newest car you've seen this problem occur with George? As per the question I posted last night, I'm very interested to know if VW have modified the parts used on the assembly line to dial out the fault occurring after the car is sold.


  • #54
    George Dalton
    Registered Users Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭George Dalton


    PukkaStukka wrote: »
    What's the newest car you've seen this problem occur with George? As per the question I posted last night, I'm very interested to know if VW have modified the parts used on the assembly line to dial out the fault occurring after the car is sold.

    2012 is the newest but most of the cars that come into our place would be 4 years old or more so I wouldn't be able to say for sure whether the newer cars are better or not.


  • #55
    mickdw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,260 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    George Dalton wrote: »
    2012 is the newest but most of the cars that come into our place would be 4 years old or more so I wouldn't be able to say for sure whether the newer cars are better or not.

    We had a September 2012 passat that developed a leak at the egr. That car had tiny mileage too.


  • #56
    Special Circumstances
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    If you were in China you'd have some chance, they forced VW to extend the warranty on the dodgy DSGs. Didn't happen here.

    USA anti-lemon laws are a moot point when it comes to VW diesels I guess.


  • #57
    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    Special Circumstances wrote: »
    If you were in China you'd have some chance, they forced VW to extend the warranty on the dodgy DSGs. Didn't happen here.

    USA anti-lemon laws are a moot point when it comes to VW diesels I guess.

    As far as I hate VW, the issue with DSG6 was overheating synthetic oil cooling the clutches in the hot climate. It seems that changing it to mineral oil solved the issue.


  • #58
    Kingkong
    Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭Kingkong


    Thanks George, looks like a could have saved myself a few hundred quid if I spoke to you yesterday :(

    George Dalton wrote: »
    Well now a third independent mechanic has told you that you can get it fitted for €650-700 and that the software update is not really necessary. The reason these parts fail is not due to software, it is a combination of bad design and poor quality.


  • #59
    marcoz
    Registered Users Posts: 41 ✭marcoz


    John T Carroll wrote: »
    The EGR Cooler and valve are all one assembly now from around 2009/2010 I think.

    egr valve and cooler are not all the one. they can be split. I am considering this. Taking EGR vlv/cooler off. and cleaning the jaysus out of cooler matrix and egr valve and sticking it back on if...and very much if VW give me the run around on the EGr replacement. I had the software update on my 2013 jetta last year when I brought it in from England and now the engine lights comes on and the egr codes.


  • #60
    bazz26
    Registered Users Posts: 51,109 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Lads, your replying to a 3 year old thread.


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  • #61
    tcawley29
    Registered Users Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭tcawley29


    bazz26 wrote: »
    Lads, your replying to a 3 year old thread.

    In before the lock


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