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Tom Clancy's The Division 2

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  • Registered Users Posts: 584 ✭✭✭Burkie7


    I put about 400/500 hours into the first one it was one of my favourite games ever despite the flaws.

    When Division 2 came out I took a day of work to play it and played it for 2 weeks straight and put about 35 hours into it. Got to WT2 and then never played it again. I've turned it on and been loaded into the map and looked around for a bit but then just turn it off a few seconds later.

    I don't know what it is about Division 2 that didn't hold my interest as I thought it was a really solid shooter.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,407 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    I hated the loot system, there was limited builds and it threw a ton of garbage at you.


    I think it's biggest crime was how it treated the community, The raid and the way they handled it was deplorable, people crying out for matchmaking and the devs knew better, when they finally capitulated they threw out a stripped down version that offered you no benefit in running and no-one wanted. The way they didn't care it was broken on consoles and it was.
    Hey it's their game though and if they wanted people to play it a certain way that's their prerogative. People had the choice to go off and play something else and they did.


    I enjoyed the game, overall thought it was great and will likely go back when they get their act together, like they did last time.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 2,449 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rob2D


    gimli2112 wrote: »
    people crying out for matchmaking

    No matchmaking is just inconceivable.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,407 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    The division devs not only conceived it they implemented it as well. I see this more and more where things are introduced into games that no-one really wants.


    The Map and UI in Borderlands 3 is abysmal.
    Loading screens in Division 2 (console problem)
    Having a big monster chase you through the police station in Resi 2 (this is more a personal peeve)
    No radar in Modern Warfare


    It's like they don't know what the people want.

    You also see this in a lot of shooters. There's a gun that absolutely wrecks everything and you're left wondering did anyone actually test this. Then they nerf it into the ground.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 2,449 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rob2D


    I'm trying to gather names for a PC Raid group if anyone interested.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Been playing this despite initial reservations. Have to say I've definitely gotten my moneys worth but getting to end game and I was looking forward to getting fancy loot only to discover that there's only 3 special gear sets and they're effectively pointless and you're better off just using what you had all along... The specialisations all seem..... bland as well.

    Endgame means different things to different people but for me I want shiny things with shiny stats but instead you're just running around in what you've been using all along but hoping to get good RNG rolls on the stats.... It feels like playing WoW and find out purples and legendarys aren't as good as blues.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭Danonino.


    Been playing this despite initial reservations. Have to say I've definitely gotten my moneys worth but getting to end game and I was looking forward to getting fancy loot only to discover that there's only 3 special gear sets and they're effectively pointless and you're better off just using what you had all along... The specialisations all seem..... bland as well.

    Endgame means different things to different people but for me I want shiny things with shiny stats but instead you're just running around in what you've been using all along but hoping to get good RNG rolls on the stats.... It feels like playing WoW and find out purples and legendarys aren't as good as blues.


    Huge amount of changes coming Oct 15th. Including Gearsets and a system for targeting select gear brands etc.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 14,681 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dcully


    Solid game but as said endgame is hugely lacking.
    Destiny 2 was the same at launch but now it has a mountain of content @ endgame.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,864 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin




  • Registered Users Posts: 709 ✭✭✭goon_magee


    Seems fairly underwhelming for a title update IMO. Some great changes, targeted loot in particular is a brilliant addition, but in general there seems to be very little there.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Grinding for Merciless for ages now. I can legit walk through JTC and Bank blindfolded on challenging.

    Finally last boss... ORANGE!!!

    Tears of joy.

    It's stupid kneepads...


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 2,449 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rob2D


    Grinding for Merciless for ages now.

    I've never seen one either.:(


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Rob2D wrote: »
    I've never seen one either.:(

    I'm probably giving up and the Division with it. Had my moneys worth but end game is soulless. Such a shame really as there's a fun game to be had if they bothered themselves to try.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,407 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    I often feel, there's a certain arrogance about some developers/publishers who resolutely believe they know best and they don't need to listen to their communities, I feel it's particular relevant to the Division but there are worse cough cough Activision.
    That's not to say devs don't know better, they often do but it's important to strike some sort of balance and understand what the people playing your game want.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,407 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    Ah got my money's worth so can't complain in that regard. Once you get to endgame though you quickly realise there's little to grind for. The way the loot system works is it throws loads of gear at you but you junk 99.5% of it after a short while.
    They made the raid largely inaccessible particularly on console. I found the DLC rather bland but by that stage I had a very good build.
    MP has never worked in the Division although I had some fun with it I needed to be drinking to keep the anxiety levels under control


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Was gonna get this but holding out for another month. Surprised to hear people are dissatisfied with endgame. Even more surprised that D2 didn't meet sales expectations as it seemed to be highly praised at launch. What happened?

    Everyone will have a different opinion but for me:

    The vast vast majority of the game play is effectively waist high walls, get into cover and just shoot, you don't particularly even need to change position. They might change the environs a bit but that's as cerebral as it gets. The raid at end game (and there's only one I think) changes this up with actual mechanics but there's just one raid..... Kenly college seems to offer a bit of thinking as well but it's not complex and is over quickly but effectively 95% of the game is no brainer stuff.

    So, you play the entire game and then endgame comes along and end game is.... repeat to infinity all the stuff you've done before just with enemies that soak up more damage. Which I guess is fine but as I've mentioned a couple of posts back when you get to end game you find there's no special sparkly gear. The endgame gear sets are a bit crap and are outdone by the yellows. It's like getting to endgame in wow and finding out the blue trash mob gear is better than purples/legendaries. Also each item has quite a lot of potential attributes so you've to grind and grind and grind to get a good roll on all the things you want and after a little while of doing this you realise it's literally all for nothing. What's the point is grinding for the perfect yellow when you can't use it to win anything better and you're just drowning in sh*t loot as well cos everything just splurges it everywhere.

    I can't comment on PvP, I haven't been bothered and here in Australia I've seen someone twice in all the times I've been in a dark zone and I've never once got a conflict match.

    I guess if this was the Division 1 I'd say fair enough but they've been here before.

    Oh and finally, to a much lesser extent I wasn't as fond of Washington. Maybe if I was American it would be cooler but New York with it massive skyscrapers and snowy landscapes was much cooler and recognisable to me imo. Apoart from the Whitehouse and the Lincoln memorial I wouldn't know a single landmark.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭murphyebass


    Was gonna get this but holding out for another month. Surprised to hear people are dissatisfied with endgame. Even more surprised that D2 didn't meet sales expectations as it seemed to be highly praised at launch. What happened?

    For me it comes down to:

    The high end loot both in terms of looks and power isn’t worth grinding for.

    And secondly the levelling was way too fast.

    Compare that to Destiny:

    There was always a cool looking or powerful weapon I was grinding for.

    And levelling up wise was slower and you needed to hop on the weekly stuff to progress.

    It’s a shame really. Division 2 has great gunplay which held my attention for about 80 hours or so (absolutely got my money’s worth) but felt like it could have been so much more.


  • Registered Users Posts: 709 ✭✭✭goon_magee


    Was gonna get this but holding out for another month. Surprised to hear people are dissatisfied with endgame. Even more surprised that D2 didn't meet sales expectations as it seemed to be highly praised at launch. What happened?

    Bit late with my comment, but I would say jump on in.

    The campaign for me was worth the price of entry alone, some great set pieces in some of the best locations I've seen in a shooter make it well worth playing. Story isn't really up to snuff but it gets a pass due to how damn fun the actual missions are.

    I think the praise at launch was deserved, at least at the time. When you finish the campaign, the end game at first glance seems really exciting and appears to have a lot of depth to explore. You quickly realise though that the end game has the depth of a puddle, with no real hook to keep you coming back once you have a decent build. You're getting that build for the sake of it, once you have it there is no interesting gear chases really, nothing to grind for, no reason to play basically. They also botched the raid as others have mentioned, unique gear sets are largely useless and modes that people really enjoyed in the first game are nowhere to be seen, with no real attempt made to date at providing any equivalent replacement that feels as substantial as the Underground or Survival expansions.

    All that said though, with the price you can get it at these days there is plenty there to enjoy, and as shallow as the end game is, there is still enjoyment to be had from it up until the point that you hit a wall with nothing more to grind for. Temper your expectations and don't go in expecting your next hobbyist game and you will be fine!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭sticker


    Rob2D wrote: »
    I've never seen one either.:(

    Sorry to say I've 2! Lucky for some I guess...


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭sticker


    So I've returned to this to check out update 6. Some decent changes..

    I've been trying to farm the pestilence in the dark zone and it's so bloody frustrating. I've had it twice today to have a rogue group pinch it.

    My build is more PVE so I'm very unsuited to my combatants.

    I love this game and the idea of the dark zone but its so frustrating to play


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭sticker


    I spent 2 very frustrating weeks farming the dark zone for pestilence. One drops for me yesterday in DZ.

    Just playing Roosevelt island and another pestilence drops!

    Never heard of a drop outside DZ. Obviously LMG targeted loot mission..


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    Anyone still playing this? Picked it up a few weeks ago and currently at world tier 2. Beginning to get really boring now...


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,407 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    I've been thinking of going back to it and then I think if all the mistakes they made and continue to make and I think not yet but soon.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 14,681 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dcully


    Its long dead, great 30 hours but just like division 1 before it endgame is very poor and over in a heart beat.
    They should of left Div 1 as main game and put resources into making a proper endgame for it, atleast there would a be people playing it.
    Look at WOW and Destiny 2 for example they both will always have a strong playerbase.
    These type of games live and die by their endgame.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭sticker


    It was my most played game of 2019. Have a great Eagle Bearer build. I dropped it in December but fully intend to return for Episode 3 in Febuary...

    But I agree with above that Endgame was very weak.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 14,681 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dcully


    They could learn a thing or two from Bungie, Destiny 2 was dead soon after release too but they got their act together and created a tonne of content for players to get stuck into.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,125 ✭✭✭_CreeD_


    Destiny 2 has had many more years to build up content. A lot of which is recycled, in events that are slightly different versions of each other (or story missions/raids) and even entire maps (looking at you 'Shadowkeep' moon). It's a well balanced mature IP but is based, as usual with Bungie, on a LOT of repetition. I think it's fun don't get me wrong, I come back to it every few months but I really don't get the end-game argument for it. And the last company I would want anyone to learn from is Bungie, they take so many steps back, have repeatedly showed immense disregard for their customer base and in D2 had some of the worst monetisation mechanisms (even to the point of throttling XP to favour their store), and then get showered with praise when they only just get the game back to the standard of D1 (which again took years to mature to that point). There's a bit of Stockholm syndrome in there somewhere imho.


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