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I Can't Live Without ....

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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Most killings will probably be caused by men fighting each other. I don't buy this lone wolf thing at all. People will be living in small groups, probably borderline tribal. Small towns will survive. So there will probably be groups of men either attacking or defending other groups.

    Murder will probably become the default punishment for a lot of crimes. Exile comes with it's own set of dangers.

    If you look at the vikings they were mostly groups of about 30 men and they became an unstoppable force in a Europe with very little central governance. As long as people are in small groups of a hundred or less they're extremely vulnerable to attack from just about anybody. It won't take long for people to have that realisation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭RiderOnTheStorm


    ScumLord wrote: »
    ...People will be living in small groups, probably borderline tribal. Small towns will survive. So there will probably be groups of men either attacking or defending other groups....

    +1

    I can see a few people holding up by themselves, trying to go it alone. But they will die off quickly. One mistake could become fatal, eg twist an ankle, eat wrong berries, run out of fuel, etc Any of these are easy to overcome in current society, and will be easy to weather if in a group. But when you are on your own, and cant hunt or defend or evade, then you will die. Small groups will pop up (survivors from same town, merging of loners who realise safety is in numbers, etc) and they can carry the sick until they get better, or divide the work / defenses / hunting-gathering etc.

    The problem will come when one group decides to take the 'easy' option of taking stuff from another group. There will be killing.... and it will be like the wild-west for a time. Property belongs to whoever can hold on to it. There will be no army / courts / police to ensure the weak have same rights as the strong. I have always maintained that surviving the other survivors (ie 'raiders') will be the big problem. Being prepared will help with the Z's, but the other survivors will be the challenge!


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    About the only thing I can see slowing that from happening is the fact Irish families are spread out across the country. It's going to be hard to go to war with the next town knowing your sister is living there with her husband and five kids. Many people in small towns travel to the next town and work side by side with people from many towns.

    There's a good possibility once the dangers of being infected subside, Iris people could band together into a fairly coherent group. Our island is just to small and isolated for us to fight, we'll be able to produce more than enough food, and a reduced population will take away a lot of the pressure to fight.

    A good leader could probably mobilise the Irish people on the threat of foreign invaders possibly showing up seeing the island of Ireland as a safe haven.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,069 ✭✭✭Tzar Chasm


    <cough>Ahem </cough>

    I see a minor flaw in your argument

    Allow me to direct your attention North for just one moment.

    Do you wish to revise your position regarding comunal spirit amongst neighbours?


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Tzar Chasm wrote: »
    <cough>Ahem </cough>

    I see a minor flaw in your argument

    Allow me to direct your attention North for just one moment.

    Do you wish to revise your position regarding comunal spirit amongst neighbours?
    The worst of that conflict is over, we're all friends now.

    There would undoubtedly be warring tribes, the likelihood of getting every Irish person in the republic to agree with each other is low. But this would be a very different situation, the outside world would likely just disappear without a maintained communications system. The UK is likely to be hit pretty hard, they have a large population, mostly urbanised and they're an international transport hub.

    What would happen here if an American aircraft carrier showed up on our coast saying Americas basically gone feral? Cities abandoned, population spread out and starving, Trump is president. How would we feel about a couple of thousand US military men looking for a place to call home?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Whitewinged


    ScumLord wrote: »
    Most killings will probably be caused by men fighting each other. I don't buy this lone wolf thing at all. People will be living in small groups, probably borderline tribal.

    I think you would see a good few lone wolf's or very small groups even though there is probably more safety in numbers because within groups there would be alot of conflict, especially at the begining. All you need is one bad egg and it can ruin things for everyone. Alot of corruption would probably go on within groups resulting in people splitting or fleeing or forming a mutiny. Not like tribes because they grow together, share same values and morals. The hierarchy is already set. But in this case it's an extreme change where people's values and morals will have to adapt fast but they will all have different ideas and adapt differently and are thrown together by circumstances.

    Did you ever see the movie The Experiment. Although probably a bit exagerated for the movie, it was a real experiment that seemed to get out of hand rather quickly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭RiderOnTheStorm


    My town has a population of 1500 (approx). With a possible Zombie 99% fatality rate, that leaves me and 14 others (numbers wont matter if I am not one of the 15!) ..... and I might not get on with the other 14!! Some of those 14 may be very old or young, or ill, and might die quickly. Assume a 50% death within a few months and there will be just 7 of us left. Thats not a lot. Those 7 will form a tight bond, and I imagine we will be very distrustful of survivors in the next town over (shure, they were always weird over there!). It will be easy to see a situation where some of my group are out scavenging for parts / fuel / supplies one day, and come across another group doing the same. Will we share? Sit down and vote to see who needs it most? Like feck... it will be first come first served, and then feuds will develop. I can see barter working, as long as its pre-arranged & mutual, but where a groups survival depends on keeping your supplies, then things will get heated. Add to that, that some people will just be delighted that law & order has gone and just want to do whatever they want because there will be no comeback ..... I think things will be far from communal in a post apoc Ireland.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭PucaMama


    I'd need a way to charge my ereader. And a way to occasionally hear music/ watch films. But people are getting worried here about other humans attacking. What about the zombies? Won't most of ur neighbours be zombies?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,764 ✭✭✭my3cents


    Every couple of weeks my beard gets itchy (it grows very fast) and I have to trim it back to about to 3-4mm. If I don't I get really cranky (well more cranky than usual) so I couldn't be without an electric trimmer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Whitewinged


    my3cents wrote: »
    Every couple of weeks my beard gets itchy (it grows very fast) and I have to trim it back to about to 3-4mm. If I don't I get really cranky (well more cranky than usual) so I couldn't be without an electric trimmer.

    I read somewhere recently that they did an experiment and took swabs from men without beards and men with beards and found that the men with beards had less bacteria or whatever so where less susceptable to infection so you might want to leave the beard :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,069 ✭✭✭Tzar Chasm


    Also i have noticed personally that the itching subsidies after another week.

    I would recommend a deceny small scissors though as you will need to keep the upper lip trimmed, nothing worse than biting into a sammich and realising you are at risk of ripping your own face off


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,764 ✭✭✭my3cents


    Tzar Chasm wrote: »
    Also i have noticed personally that the itching subsidies after another week.

    I would recommend a deceny small scissors though as you will need to keep the upper lip trimmed, nothing worse than biting into a sammich and realising you are at risk of ripping your own face off

    That is definitely part of the problem, but I also find that over a certain length the old beard gets to feel like a well used air filter, full of dust. Wash it OK but do any work and I'm back to that feeling of a face covered in grot. Kept short and its OK, but like wire wool to cut.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,764 ✭✭✭my3cents


    Another obvious I can't live without is ANUSOL, if you have to ask you don't need it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭RiderOnTheStorm


    .....guess I dont need it ....


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,964 ✭✭✭ToniTuddle


    Oh crap I'd definitely need a supply of Nurofen...for serious amount of years.
    Yeah I'd easily kill few folks to get at any supply they had of that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,764 ✭✭✭my3cents


    .....guess I dont need it ....

    So you don't worry about a few wrinkles on your face then ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭dvae


    not so much a luxury or indulgence, but what about medication, anyone ever put any thought into shelf life of life saving meds such antibiotics, statin's, or insulin.
    most of these only have a shelf life of 1 - 3 years, and in the case of insulin 1 to 2 years if kept refrigerated.
    Perhaps zombie survival is not for people who need meds, and would probably be considered week in a zombie attack anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    There are some traditional options for antibiotics. But yeah, most medicine will be gone which will mean most people will likely die slow horrible deaths from infection.

    The Vikings used to drink "mead" which apparently has good antibacterial qualities. They would have probably had to deal with cuts and infection a lot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,764 ✭✭✭my3cents


    dvae wrote: »
    not so much a luxury or indulgence, but what about medication, anyone ever put any thought into shelf life of life saving meds such antibiotics, statin's, or insulin.
    most of these only have a shelf life of 1 - 3 years, and in the case of insulin 1 to 2 years if kept refrigerated.
    Perhaps zombie survival is not for people who need meds, and would probably be considered week in a zombie attack anyway.

    Thought I'd posted a response to this earlier obviously not :confused:

    Without antihistamines I'm a snotty, sniffy uncomfortable itchy mess so keep at least a 12 month supply. I keep a good stock as much as a cost saving exercise as anything. In the UK I can get generic Cetirizine for around €1.50 for 30 or I can pay €10 for a brand name over here.

    If I needed any specific meds I'd certainly try and build up a supply.

    Statins would in my mind be a definite indulgence, perhaps a little less food and a bit more activity would reduce their necessity for many people who are currently on them :p Several relatives should be on them but don't take them as the side effects are too bad (leg cramps).


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭RiderOnTheStorm


    Medicine will be a big issue in post apocalypse world. And unlike many other items (including fuel, food, ammo, etc), it's hard to stockpile beforehand. Largely due to expiry dates and the difficulty in getting it in first place (prescription etc).

    For the expiry date issue, in an emergency I will ignore the date and try the drug anyway. IMHO these dates are like those on food. They will last long past the expiry date, and manufacturer just wants you to buy more.
    For stockpiling, you need to educate yourself as to what other drug may work. For antibiotics this includes animal penicillin (fish is easier to come by), and some more alternative options. Eg get a herbal medicine book or start growing medicinal plants now. Honey is a great antibacterial salve for skin injuries.

    When it all goes south you can be sure the local pharmacy will be equal top of many peoples hit list, along with supermarket and hardware store.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,764 ✭✭✭my3cents


    Along with all my other stuff I have a hit list of drugs just in case I did need to raid a pharmacy so I'd at least have some idea of what to go for. Problem is as I write this I can't for the life of me remember where I put it :rolleyes: but it will be on the computer somewhere so I'll print it out again and put it somewhere safe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭RiderOnTheStorm


    my3cents wrote:
    ... it will be on the computer somewhere....

    The auld laptop scores highly here. A lot of reference stuff can be stored there, how-to, maps, recipes, diagrams, movies, songs, etc. And all you need after ZA day is a solar charger.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,764 ✭✭✭my3cents


    The auld laptop scores highly here. A lot of reference stuff can be stored there, how-to, maps, recipes, diagrams, movies, songs, etc. And all you need after ZA day is a solar charger.

    44GB and rising in my Survival folder (practical survival stuff). Plus all of the Discovery Series OS maps for the country (407MB).


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    my3cents wrote: »
    Without antihistamines I'm a snotty, sniffy uncomfortable itchy mess so keep at least a 12 month supply.
    It's possible that some people's health may improve a fair bit in a post apocalyptic world. It would likely be a more active lifestyle with a lower calorie intake. Stone age people were very fit and healthy people.

    If you currently live in a city you'll have an immune system that's more than capable of tackling anything in the country (cities are cesspits when it comes to diseases), there will be less toxins to deal with in general.
    my3cents wrote: »
    44GB and rising in my Survival folder (practical survival stuff). Plus all of the Discovery Series OS maps for the country (407MB).
    But, where would all the porn go?


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