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26-10-2018, 01:08   #1
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Government considering dedicated Transport Police

In IT tomorrow but pay walled for me.

Fully support this. All i'll say though it's long past time.
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26-10-2018, 11:58   #2
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Dedicated transport police unit under consideration after violence on trains

Dedicated transport police unit under consideration after violence on trains

Conor Gallagher

The Government is considering establishing a dedicated policing unit for public transport to address concerns of antisocial behaviour.

Officials in the Department of Justice and the Department of Transport are examining ways of improving passenger experiences on public transport following recent increases in violence and public order incidents on trains.

Gardaí dealt with 43 allegations of assault on trains last year, up from nine in 2016. In the first five months of this year there have been 26 assaults. Robberies have also increased from three last year to 10 in the first five months of this year.

Passengers made 407 complaints to Irish Rail of antisocial behaviour last year, up from 246 the year before. Incidents of intimidation almost doubled to 117, while vandalism complaints more than tripled to 70.

An Irish Rail spokeswoman said the situation appears to be worsening: “While the overwhelming majority of our 45.5 million annual journeys occur without incident, both employee reports and customer feedback do confirm that there has been an increase in the number of antisocial behaviour incidents over the past 18 months.”

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The company set out several measures it is taking to address the problem, including ensuring “a strong liaison and effective response to issues from the gardaí”.

It said: “The structuring of these resources including the possibility of a dedicated Garda unit is being assessed we understand.”

Irish Rail said: “The Department of Transport in the first instance is engaging with Department of Justice and gardaí on the issue in the wider context of public transport.”

The Garda did not respond to questions about a potential transport unit but said it “regularly provides stakeholders, including transport providers, with Garda support”.

The forthcoming Open City Operation in Dublin will see a Garda presence on certain late night services on Irish Rail, Dublin Bus and Luas “to support public safety”, a spokesman said.

A spokesman for the Department of Justice said it had received correspondence from the Minister for Transport which was under consideration. “It has been sent to An Garda Síochána for their views, given that the allocation of all Garda resources, including the manner in which Garda personnel are deployed, is solely a decision for the Garda Commissioner and his management team,” he said.

Irish Rail and Transdev, which operates the Luas, contract private security companies to provide security on-board and at stations. It is understood Irish Rail spends more than €3 million a year on security costs.

Potential option
One potential option for a dedicated unit is the creation of a specialist unit within An Garda Síochána, similar to the traffic corp but on a smaller scale. It would have the power to deal with incidents on board as well as other transport-related offences such as the theft of rail equipment and ticket fraud.

An alternative is the establishment of a separate police force similar to the Airport Police operating in Dublin and Cork. These specialist officers have full police powers within the State’s airports but not outside them. Similar forces are deployed on public transport in the UK, France and US.
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For the number of officers that would actually be on the ground at a given time, I think the cost of setting up a new force would be totally disproportionate. They'd have to have new offices, board of directors, new logo, IT manager, IT systems, HR manager etc. etc. Far better to set up a transport corps within AGS.
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It's about time
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For the number of officers that would actually be on the ground at a given time, I think the cost of setting up a new force would be totally disproportionate. They'd have to have new offices, board of directors, new logo, IT manager, IT systems, HR manager etc. etc. Far better to set up a transport corps within AGS.
The issue is that there is one already, but it doesn't get priority from Garda management.


A traffic police would have a narrower set of training and responsibilities than AGS staff. It would also be possible to pay them less
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26-10-2018, 16:01   #6
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We already have Roads Policing or Traffic Corps that do not police Roads/Traffic. What's going to be different this time?
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45 million journeys annually, with 400 complaints of antisocial behaviour?

TBH, it doesn't seem to warrant a dedicated police unit. How about Irish Rail just take responsibility themselves and increase security on trains??

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The RPU(Formerly traffic corps) are not reserved for traffic. If you're the Galway Chief Super and you have 100 Gardai with 20 in traffic, if you're stretched you pull the traffic back to other duties. Traffic HQ in Dublin Castle can't do squat.


If you were to do this correctly any transit corps would need to be ring fenced.
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fantastic.

stick them on the red luas line for a couple of months and drive the scum off it.

sick of seeing them just not pay and luas people afraid to do anything except have them leave the luas and on the other side put the full legal force against any reasonably respectable person who forgot to pay or lost a ticket.
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45 million journeys annually, with 400 complaints of antisocial behaviour?

4000 complaints is because people don't see anything happening even if they do complain. I'd wager if you spent a full 40 hour working week on the Luas Red line
you'd see 400 incidents.
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Not much point in introducing a new enforcement arm if the justice system isn't reformed. All we'll have is the transport police not reacting to incidents because they will run into the same problems that the Gardaì and private security currently have to face.
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Well it is positive news. Let's not denigrate it before it has even been established.

I am a bit wary though, given that enforcement of traffic laws is abysmal. But we live in hope. At least they will have powers of arrest which current security personnel don't.
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you'd see 400 incidents.
Possibly, and how many security personnel would you see? Shouldn't the private companies at least make an effort to tackle the problem first?
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Its a god thing but if its part of AGS they need more resources, not to stretch their current resources even more. As others have said, our road traffic laws aren't enforced because there simply isn't enough Gardai out there to do it. The force needs a substantial increase in budget and numbers.
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Its a god thing but if its part of AGS they need more resources, not to stretch their current resources even more. As others have said, our road traffic laws aren't enforced because there simply isn't enough Gardai out there to do it. The force needs a substantial increase in budget and numbers.
I don't buy this.. the problem with AGS is the culture in the force.

Many Gardai just can't be bothered with doing their jobs and you see this every day and in dealings with them. That's just the day-to-day apathy.. I'm not going to even get into some of the behavior revealed in the whistleblower saga.

Unless that changes, it won't matter how many of them there are.
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