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24-07-2017, 10:16   #16
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Are people standing? That's illegal on those buses as far as i'm aware.
When i was driving the Aircoach if someone had no seat they had to get back off the coach.

Anything bus or coach with standing passengers can do no more than 65 km/h, roughly 40mph.

I've never seen anyone standing on a coach journey, no doubt it has happened somewhere in the country though.
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24-07-2017, 10:18   #17
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Interesting one! I thought some of them looked like old air coaches. The last few I've been on used to be for airport car parks and don't seem to be great for 45 minute journey.
Those old Setra's are shot to pieces.

Constantly breaking down.

When Aircoach sold them there was in excess of 2-3 million km's on each of them.

One's man's sh1te is another man's gold.
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They also recently without any notice cancelled one of their routes for a day.
https://www.facebook.com/DublinCoach...26226450792658

Most of their problems seem to stem from tight turn-around times at terminuses and also the fact they have a pretty old fleet, for example I believe they have over 22 Setras between 12-13 years old, most of which are ex Aircoach and over 10 Neoplan deckers from 2004 which were ex Oxford Tube which are the mainstays of their fleet and all would have had very hard lives with their previous operators.

The Belfast route does have new coaches on it but it's very much the exception than the rule. That said, they are said to be on the market for some additional second hand coaches that may be 3-4 years younger than the Setra/Neoplans so maybe they will replace them.
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They have been buying them new at North of 300 a piece in the last 3 years, they don't get them from Air Coach. They bought 3 Chinese buses aswell, which was a disaster.

The demand has went through the roof, and their license limits them with putting on extra buses. I like this crowd, they fight a good fight for the consumer despite all the giving out that Bus Eireann and Irish Rail went on with. Don't we all remember 70 quid return to Dublin to finance the lump sums and big pensions to these people.
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They also recently without any notice cancelled one of their routes for a day.
https://www.facebook.com/DublinCoach...26226450792658

Most of their problems seem to stem from tight turn-around times at terminuses and also the fact they have a pretty old fleet, for example I believe they have over 22 Setras between 12-13 years old, most of which are ex Aircoach and over 10 Neoplan deckers from 2004 which were ex Oxford Tube which are the mainstays of their fleet and all would have had very hard lives with their previous operators.

The Belfast route does have new coaches on it but it's very much the exception than the rule. That said, they are said to be on the market for some additional second hand coaches that may be 3-4 years younger than the Setra/Neoplans so maybe they will replace them.
I know the Neoplan overdeckers, the 2004 ones are ex Stagecoach.

Some heaps of rubbish they have though.

As for the drivers, you see how poor the service is.

When i was interviewed for the job the money was €115 per day before tax, regardless of the hours worked.
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The vehicles they have are in shocking disrepair.

In the last week I've seen a plastic bag holding an outer side panel on, luggage doors sticking out, rear engine covers fully open and 2 with bunjy straps holding them closed.

They leave them running no matter how early they are at the terminus with extremely bad fumes spewing out and just the green looks like snot.

I understand they have got some new vehicles but they are looking a bit shabby also.

I see many with lights not working also.
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They have been buying them new at North of 300 a piece in the last 3 years, they don't get them from Air Coach.
Most of their fleet is made up of 2004 vehicles that are ex Aircoach and Oxford Tube, they have approx 30 vehicles fitting that description at the last check on RTOL.ie which lists all the vehicles an operator has licensed.

They have acquired approx 15 new vehicles for their scheduled services in the last 3-4 years that I grant you, but 5 of them are locked religiously on Belfast, which leaves 10 for the other routes out of a total of what is about something like 60 coaches, half of which date back from around 13 years ago or so.

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The demand has went through the roof, and their license limits them with putting on extra buses. I like this crowd, they fight a good fight for the consumer despite all the giving out that Bus Eireann and Irish Rail went on with.
Nobody denies that competition is good, I think the issue is that punctuality, service reliability and on-board experience is also important, personally I feel they have expanded too much too soon, they're essentially using money saved from acquiring vehicles on the second hand market to fund further expansion.
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I know the Neoplan overdeckers, the 2004 ones are ex Stagecoach.
I know some were ex Oxford Tube, but some of the others may have been from other parts of Stagecoach as well, good vehicles in their time certainly, but can't imagine they had easy life, same with Aircoach Setras, an operator like Aircoach that runs 24 hours a day 364 days year with the same timetable every day is always going to work their vehicles hard.

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When i was interviewed for the job the money was €115 per day before tax, regardless of the hours worked.
Out of curiosity, how does that compare with other operators? And surely there has to be a limit to hours worked, or it has to average to a certain amount?

Would this explain the tight turn-around times at a terminus? Basically if a driver is late it costs them no more in wages?
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I know some were ex Oxford Tube, but some of the others may have been from other parts of Stagecoach as well, good vehicles in their time certainly, but can't imagine they had easy life, same with Aircoach Setras, an operator like Aircoach that runs 24 hours a day 364 days year with the same timetable every day is always going to work their vehicles hard.



Out of curiosity, how does that compare with other operators? And surely there has to be a limit to hours worked, or it has to average to a certain amount?

Would this explain the tight turn-around times at a terminus? Basically if a driver is late it costs them no more in wages?
Yes it costs them nothing extra in wages even if the driver is late.

When i drove the Aircoach i was on €140 per day, my day was never longer than 9 hours.

3 hours up,2 hour break, 3 hours back and 1 hour cleaning and refuelling the coach.

In relation to hours worked, there is a set limit of 90 per fortnight, however any truck or bus with a tachograph before May 2006 use Analogue (paper sheets) tachographs, which you could realistically tear up.

After May 2006 you need a digi card and the only way to stop that is an illegal method i won't publicly repeat.

Lets just say if you are caught doing that method you will be arrested.
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24-07-2017, 12:52   #25
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When i was driving the Aircoach if someone had no seat they had to get back off the coach.

Anything bus or coach with standing passengers can do no more than 65 km/h, roughly 40mph.

I've never seen anyone standing on a coach journey, no doubt it has happened somewhere in the country though.
I've stood on a coach (and probably 30 other people on the same coach), St Kevins service to Glendalough, though I expect they kept speed under 65.

Never seen it intercity.

As others have said Dublin Coaches fleet age is very unbalanced. They do have some new, modern, coaches, but they are mostly on the new Belfast route.

The majority of the fleet is quite old now, mostly second hand coaches from Aircoach and other parts of Stagecoach in the UK. Would have massive amounts of mileage on them already and likely nearing their end of life, at least on such high frequency services, which is probably why people are seeing so many break downs.

There is a reason why Aircoach and other coach companies sell on these coaches and try to keep a relatively young fleet. As they get older, they suffer more breakdowns and take a lot more effort and cost to maintain and keep running.

Dublin Coach seems to have a habit of buying second hand coaches that are already almost done and then running them into the ground for 3 or 4 years and then rinse and repeat. Obviously much cheaper then buying new. But bad for the customers due to more breakdowns and less reliability.

But then they have little competition on their core Limerick corridor. So they get away with it. Notice how they have the new coaches on the Belfast route where they face lots of competition from Aircoach, BE/Ulsterbus, etc.
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John O'Sullivan was an employee at bus eireann and then started Aircoach and of course now Dublin coach....

He had leased all the setras years ago but has gone down the road of probably picking them up for buttons.

Seams to do the start up get routes and sell off for big money.

Something in me says he will most likely do the same.

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John O'Sullivan was an employee at bus eireann and then started Aircoach and of course now Dublin coach....

He had leased all the setras years ago but has gone down the road of probably picking them up for buttons.

Seams to do the start up get routes and sell off for big money.

Something in me says he will most likely do the same.
http://www.independent.ie/regionals/...-31495678.html

They are crying out for drivers on a regular basis, John hasn't repeated the magic of Aircoach.

https://www.jobs.ie/ApplyForJob.aspx?Id=1634808

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Are people standing? That's illegal on those buses as far as i'm aware.
For the most part, no people are not standing if they are its between stops in either Naas or Newbridge. Normally some drivers will only take Red Cow & Airport passengers on the Airport Coach and ask others for Naas to take the shuttle which is a few mins behind the Airport bus.They have introduced a shuttle between Kildare and Naas which has helped with this but it only operates between 0830 and 2030 so buses before the 830 especially tend to get crowded looking at you 0520 bus.
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hey have introduced a shuttle between Kildare and Naas which has helped with this but it only operates between 0830 and 2030 so buses before the 830 especially tend to get crowded looking at you 0520 bus.
This service has been cancelled for the whole day twice without any sufficient notice to passengers in the last month or so, which in my opinion is not acceptable, it's good that they provided this extra capacity, but at the same time passengers need to be able to rely on it.
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This service has been cancelled for the whole day twice without any sufficient notice to passengers in the last month or so, which in my opinion is not acceptable, it's good that they provided this extra capacity, but at the same time passengers need to be able to rely on it.
Ive noticed this too. Reliability is needed which at present is not there. When working nights last week two 0130 Portlaoise to Airport services failed to show up. Now I know at these times not many be using the service but I was a huge inconvenience. Thankfully ( which ive noticed more so lately ) they had a replacement bus on the road a good few min later than the scheduled service run the route and manage to.get to the airport with a 20min delay overall. But by right there should be a reliable service. Overall ive only had a handful of problems in the 7 months of using various services daily and have cut my overall costs of commuting to work vastly. I welcome more 24 hour services and ryanair model coach services because seeing how crowded the early morning services get shows there is demand for these 24 hour services on some transport corridors. Dublin Coach will hopefully encourage other companies and follow suit.
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