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Poor diction by radio presenters

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    #92
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,052 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Is your memory clear enough to recall exactly what you heard in the far distant past. What is being complained about now is down to the level of a T being turned into a D, or a slightly elongated pronunciation of a word. There is good science behind the way we speak, but the nitpickers want to ignore that.
    All that matters is that we can understand what is being said, and that is not a problem with our current newsreaders.

    I'd wager good money that Don and company, presented with a sentence containing 27 and .ie, would say Twennyseven and Dod i e, the same as most other people.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flapping


    https://youtu.be/evzxQ_D0aQs


    Seems to be good on the “twentyfives” though, my friend


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    #93
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,486 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    This was his finest hour. If there was an internet back then, I think accusations of dumbing down would have been flying.



    But in other aspects it was a kinder and gentler age.



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    #94
    ford fiesta
    Registered Users Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭ford fiesta


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    Charles Mitchel didn’t join as a “trained journalist”.

    All they did was read the news off an autocue.

    Nothing else.

    RTE continuity newsreaders and presentation staff back in the day (50s to present day etc. ) were hired because as a boy/girl they looked after their neighbours dog, whose 1st cousin happened to work as a postboy in RTE.
    They certainly were not trained in anything, only reading a script or the news - which is not difficult..

    Nepotism I think they call it...


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    #95
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,052 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    ford fiesta wrote: »
    RTE continuity newsreaders and presentation staff back in the day (50s to present day etc. ) were hired because as a boy/girl they looked after their neighbours dog, whose 1st cousin happened to work as a postboy in RTE.
    They certainly were not trained in anything, only reading a script or the news - which is not difficult..

    Nepotism I think they call it...

    Not going to get too involved in the off topic stuff, but it re enforces my point that they did not join as trained journalists, mainly from the equity ranks.

    It was only later that RTE looked for them to become involved in more interaction on screen and I believe that there was quite some ‘pushback, from their ranks at the degree of change involved.

    So some posts are quite innacurate.


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    #96
    ford fiesta
    Registered Users Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭ford fiesta


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    Not going to get too involved in the off topic stuff, but it re enforces my point that they did not join as trained journalists, mainly from the equity ranks.

    It was only later that RTE looked for them to become involved in more interaction on screen and I believe that there was quite some ‘pushback, from their ranks at the degree of change involved.

    So some posts are quite innacurate.

    At least they had their foot (or voice) in the GPO/Montrose door


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    #97
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Sorry for dragging up an old thread but hardly worth starting a new one. The affectation by some in the media for pronouncing foreign place names in what they perceive to be the cool way. Sports reporters being amongst the worst - Budapest is regularly pronounced Buddah-pest and while this maybe the way natives pronounce it, when did you last hear a sports reporter refer to Paris as Pari - with a silent s the way French people do? Just a very trivial thing in the overall scheme of things but it's like fingernails down a blackboard to me. :)

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    #98
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,052 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Someone should get a grip on Darren Frehill and tell him that ‘played’ is not pronounced ‘pled’.

    Don’t get me going on ‘Nooze’ for ‘news’.

    Or ‘Awder’ for ‘order’




    Grrrrrrrrrrrr


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    #99
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Sorry for dragging up an old thread but hardly worth starting a new one. The affectation by some in the media for pronouncing foreign place names in what they perceive to be the cool way. Sports reporters being amongst the worst - Budapest is regularly pronounced Buddah-pest and while this maybe the way natives pronounce it, when did you last hear a sports reporter refer to Paris as Pari - with a silent s the way French people do? Just a very trivial thing in the overall scheme of things but it's like fingernails down a blackboard to me. :)

    Should be Buddahpesht if they want to really get it right. Actually I find pronouncing the capital city of Hungary the way the natives say it is actually easier on the vocals than our natural version of Boo Da Pest. Hungarian is one of those languages that's almost "under-pronounced".


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    #100
    blackbox
    Registered Users Posts: 4,101 ✭✭✭blackbox


    When Matt Cooper talks about someone having a sore "troath" it is nothing to do with a regional accent.

    ...or having no "thread" on their tyres.


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    #101
    twinklerunner
    Registered Users Posts: 902 ✭✭✭twinklerunner


    Constantly referring to the news as ‘nooze’ really bugs me.


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    #102
    The J Stands for Jay
    Registered Users Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    blackbox wrote: »
    ...or having no "thread" on their tyres.

    Every post about tyres on motors talks about thread. Confusing until you realise what they're on about.


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    #103
    bureau2009
    Registered Users Posts: 571 ✭✭✭bureau2009


    There are no speech standards in RTE.

    Can Jennifer Zamperelli speak properly? Ray Darcy and Jenny Greene are no great shakes. I cannot listen to Weekend Breakfast on 2FM because of the standard of speech.

    And I am mystified as to how Angela Scanlon ended up on BBC Radio 2.


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    #104
    endofrainbow
    Registered Users Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭endofrainbow


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Sorry for dragging up an old thread but hardly worth starting a new one. The affectation by some in the media for pronouncing foreign place names in what they perceive to be the cool way. Sports reporters being amongst the worst - Budapest is regularly pronounced Buddah-pest and while this maybe the way natives pronounce it, when did you last hear a sports reporter refer to Paris as Pari - with a silent s the way French people do? Just a very trivial thing in the overall scheme of things but it's like fingernails down a blackboard to me. :)

    Just heard another 'sportscaster' call it Bur Russia Munchkin Glad back ......:confused:


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    #105
    ford fiesta
    Registered Users Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭ford fiesta


    I've noticed for years siobhan madigan on RTE Radio Sport, showing off her prounciations of International sports people, teams and cities.


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    #106
    Cole
    Registered Users Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭Cole


    bureau2009 wrote: »
    There are no speech standards in RTE.

    Can Jennifer Zamperelli speak properly? Ray Darcy and Jenny Greene are no great shakes. I cannot listen to Weekend Breakfast on 2FM because of the standard of speech.

    And I am mystified as to how Angela Scanlon ended up on BBC Radio 2.

    What's your definition of "speech standards"?


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    #107
    zoobizoo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭zoobizoo


    Reporters saying "he's" instead of "his".


    Usually country ones.


    He took "he's" cows to the market...

    The rugby commentator on TV3 during the 6 Nations does it all the time.


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    #108
    [Deleted User]
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    whiterebel wrote: »
    Its nothing to do with accent, its just lazy. How these people can be editors of newspapers and yet butcher the language is beyond me.

    We speak Hiberno-English, how are they butchering that language?


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    #109
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,875 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    I'm sick to death of presenters schoil instead of school


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    #110
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,072 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    I present Loddie Ryan . !


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    #111
    dirkmeister
    Registered Users Posts: 2,650 ✭✭✭dirkmeister


    Matt Cooper and his “Ehn- Phet”


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    #112
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    kneemos wrote: »
    God save and protect us from perfect speech. People speak in accordance to where they're from and as long as they're easily understandable all is well.

    The real issue is the lack of regional accents on our national broadcasters.
    On Raidió na Gaeltachta there are all sorts of accents. They also interview people from lots of different backgrounds and actually seem to want to talk to them. They have a chat and a laugh. They're not rushing them off the air, interrupting them or waiting for them to stop talking so they can say something unpleasant to upscuttle them.

    I just started listening in the last while and I'm actually in way better form generally.


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    #113
    [Deleted User]
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    Here ya go

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiberno-English


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    #114
    mfceiling
    Registered Users Posts: 12,774 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    One thing.

    If a word ends in "ht" it is not pronounced "th"

    This drives me demented.

    "Look at height of these ceilings" is not "look at the heigth of these ceilings".


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    #115
    filbert the fox
    Registered Users Posts: 809 ✭✭✭filbert the fox


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    Someone should get a grip on Darren Frehill and tell him that ‘played’ is not pronounced ‘pled’.

    Don’t get me going on ‘Nooze’ for ‘news’.

    Or ‘Awder’ for ‘order’




    Grrrrrrrrrrrr

    In fairness he simply med a mistake!

    Listeners might also be able to hear the words if presenters stopped interrupting guests - guilty as charged:

    Joe Duffy
    Mary Wilson
    Brendan O'Connor
    Anyone on "This Week"

    This habit is exacerbated by the "oh, I just thought of something and i'm gonna butt in cos i'm the star of the show and i can't be bothered to hear what you're on about..."


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    #116
    ArielAtom
    Registered Users Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    dirkmeister wrote: »
    Matt Cooper and his “Ehn- Phet”

    And his Sahurday.


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    #117
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,052 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    ArielAtom wrote: »
    And his Sahurday.

    Couldn’t listen to the lad.....too high pitched.....like Eamon Ryan...nah


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    #118
    Howitzer the 5th
    Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭Howitzer the 5th


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    Couldn’t listen to the lad.....too high pitched.....like Eamon Ryan...nah

    Idd-a-lee for Italy as well. Perplexing. Especially given their fondness for spending chasms of time discussing that egg chasing rubbish.


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    #119
    Sheep Shagger
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 6,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    Twidder instead of twitter


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    #120
    Max Headroom
    Registered Users Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    These words.....
    Courk
    Mourning..as in ..good mourning...
    Gourgeous
    Fourk

    Any word that has a "o" followed by an " r".....:mad:

    Swopping "dd" for "tt"......Liddle, etc...:mad:


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    #121
    gourcuff
    Registered Users Posts: 295 ✭✭gourcuff


    its because there are so many culchies dominating Irish media and broadcasting, there are far more regional accents in Irish media than the UK where it all sounds quite home counties...

    A quick list from a reddit thread...

    Sarah Mcinerney
    Claire Byrne
    Oliver Callan
    Seán Moncrieff
    Ray D’Arcy
    John Creedon
    John Kelly
    Mary Wilson
    Colette Browne
    Rachael English
    Cormac Ó hEadhra
    Darren Frehill

    Matt Cooper
    Ivan Yates
    Jonathan Healy
    Kieran Cuddihy
    Shane Coleman
    Andrea Gilligan
    Richard Chambers
    Siofra Mulqueen

    Dara O’Brian
    Tommy Tiernan
    Damien Lawlor

    Nathan Murphy
    Joe Molloy

    Ciaran Murphy
    Billy Joe Padden
    Kieran Cunningham
    Ger Gilroy
    Eoin Sheehan
    Colm Parkinson

    Michael Lyster
    Sean O’Rourke
    Mark Tighe
    Brendan O’Connor
    Aisling Bea
    Sharon Horgan

    wall to wall culchies out there...


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