Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi all,
Vanilla are planning an update to the site on April 24th (next Wednesday). It is a major PHP8 update which is expected to boost performance across the site. The site will be down from 7pm and it is expected to take about an hour to complete. We appreciate your patience during the update.
Thanks all.

Micheal D Higgins dog, Síoda, has passed away. RIP Síoda.

124

Comments

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    Greyfox wrote: »
    Not really, it's just one of the many examples of the media reporting on irrelevant trash news rather than actual news and trash news deserves to be criticised. A dog dying is sad for the owners but theirs no need to report it to thousands of people who never met the dog as it is just someone elses dog.

    Trash news would be reality show based crap, or instagram posts regurgitated from the likes of Rosanna Davison or Amy Huberman. People can empathise with Michael D because they're pet owners, because he has openly welcomed guests as Head of State with his beautiful dogs by his side. And it is a talking point - plenty of media footage of the dogs at State events, revelling in the company and enjoying belly rubs. It's actually a lovely departure from the vast majority of Presidents/Heads of State worldwide, who are portrayed at media events as stuffy officials, and shows what a considerate, empathetic President we have.

    I wouldn't have known about it unless it was reported and I'm sad for him, and sad for his other dog, as he too has lost a companion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Same, lots of coverage of over paid men kicking a ball of wind around.

    But some people treat it like life and death.

    That’s their choice.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,583 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    anewme wrote: »
    Same, lots of coverage of over paid men kicking a ball of wind around.

    But some people treat it like life and death.

    That’s their choice.
    It's more serious than that!
    Bill Shankley.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    It's more serious than that!
    Bill Shankley.

    Didn’t know who said it.

    Shows though how people have widely different interests.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 154 ✭✭Nexytus


    anewme wrote: »
    Didn’t know who said it.

    Shows though how people have widely different interests.

    From a superficial perspective the inflated ball of leather and the domesticated wolf-like canid are mundane and unremarkable objects. Unnewsworthy.

    What Shankley meant, the thing that was more important that life and death was something inside people - the tribe working together to survive and prosper, the competitive individual seeking self-actualisation through excellence in the arena of life.

    The pet dog is an embodiment of other facets of the human condition. Affection, love, loyalty, family, friendship.

    These inner qualities and distinctions will always resonate with people.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    topper75 wrote: »
    Ah you can't say that now and withhold the details!

    Between what entities did this dog bridge a gap or create common ground?

    Cats and mice?

    Don't play naive or ignorant.

    Perhaps you've never had the pleasure of walking a dog and seen the ice-breaker it is? Types of people stop and talk to one another that normally mightn't. Old folk with young, race with race, etc etc. Dogs create common ground. A man walking a dog at night is transformed by the character of the dog. A potential threat becomes an animal lover and someone perhaps who has a spark of life and good, just like the dog has on show. That's the magic-dust of dogs. It's what instigates impromptu chats and life affirming connections with strangers. It is your type who opens the gap between people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It is sad for the Higgins household, but it shouldn't be national news.



    Disagreeing; if you watch the news online there are animal/human interest items nearly every day. They stop us getting totally immured in the covid news.

    I thought as you did at first but reading this thread has changed my view. So many of us love and lose critters so we can empathise on a very deep level, whatever our political or other ideas. Pets are peacemakers and we need peacemakers.

    You do not need to read them? I hate sport but I know others think differently . So I just bypass them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,712 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Graces7 wrote: »


    Pets are peacemakers and we need peacemakers.

    What about Hitler's dog?


  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭ranto_boy


    Just your opinion, nothing more.

    Well, yeah... you've pretty much described this entire web site.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    An Ri rua wrote: »
    Don't play naive or ignorant.

    Perhaps you've never had the pleasure of walking a dog and seen the ice-breaker it is? Types of people stop and talk to one another that normally mightn't. Old folk with young, race with race, etc etc. Dogs create common ground. A man walking a dog at night is transformed by the character of the dog. A potential threat becomes an animal lover and someone perhaps who has a spark of life and good, just like the dog has on show. That's the magic-dust of dogs. It's what instigates impromptu chats and life affirming connections with strangers. It is your type who opens the gap between people.

    Naive - a fine charge to lay against me. You are the one upset that a politician's dog died :D

    I own a dog. Of course when he goes (he ain't great right now) I'll be upset. Which makes sense. It is my dog. The only people who can mourn that Bernese with any authenticity are Higgins, his family, and staff who would see the dog. For everybody else - it is just fake emotion. Nothing more.

    We seem to be cursed with this fake emotion phenomenon in the 21st century with the demand for 24 hour news and people following celebrities as though they were some kind of distant friends. It began with Princess Diana dying. Thousand of Brits lining the streets, crying, laying flowers at the gate of the palace. We looked across and laughed - what are they at? And how we chuckled at the DPRK and they all bawling in the street at losing their Dear Leader. Behind our laughter was horror - horror that people could be manipulated to that degree. We were grounded.

    Yet, here are some people on an Irish forum upset that a politician's pet died. For real. Unless you are all trolling. In which case I doff my hat. You caught me. It would probably be the better outcome.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    topper75 wrote: »
    Naive - a fine charge to lay against me. You are the one upset that a politician's dog died :D

    I own a dog. Of course when he goes (he ain't great right now) I'll be upset. Which makes sense. It is my dog. The only people who can mourn that Bernese with any authenticity are Higgins, his family, and staff who would see the dog. For everybody else - it is just fake emotion. Nothing more.

    We seem to be cursed with this fake emotion phenomenon in the 21st century with the demand for 24 hour news and people following celebrities as though they were some kind of distant friends. It began with Princess Diana dying. Thousand of Brits lining the streets, crying, laying flowers at the gate of the palace. We looked across and laughed - what are they at? And how we chuckled at the DPRK and they all bawling in the street at losing their Dear Leader. Behind our laughter was horror - horror that people could be manipulated to that degree. We were grounded.

    You seem to be missing a little emotion called empathy. That's where people are understanding and compassionate with Michael D and Co for their loss. Nothing "fake" about it. Although sociopaths will have difficulty with it. Funny how you tend to use the word "fake" a lot, just like another infamous sociopath.
    Yet, here are some people on an Irish forum upset that a politician's pet died. For real. Unless you are all trolling. In which case I doff my hat. You caught me. It would probably be the better outcome.

    Do you know there's an Animals & Pets Issues forum here? There's a thread in it for departed pets, with over 150 pages of posts, and over 300,000 views. That's a lot of people showing sympathy for dogs/cats/rats/budgies/hamsters that they have never met, but understand the emotional turmoil that the owners are going through. Or maybe they're all trolling too?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭rapul


    This cruel world.

    R. I. P you dog


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    What about Hitler's dog?

    Blondi I believe. Hitler got more upset over animals suffering than humans. Stalin was the same. A few posters here seem to have that in common with them.
    Michael D is of course a fellow traveller of Stalin.
    The 'useful idiot' was the term used back in the day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    Blondi I believe. Hitler got more upset over animals suffering than humans. Stalin was the same. A few posters here seem to have that in common with them.
    Michael D is of course a fellow traveller of Stalin.
    The 'useful idiot' was the term used back in the day.

    I wouldn't say he was upset. He did kill her with cyanide too. He loved Blondi because she was very obedient, and GSDs resembled wolves and it seems he was particularly fond of those, even going so far as to have people call him "Wolf" . There's a book on how the Nazis used animals and classified them, rather than showed any empathy towards them. Hermann Goerings lionesses were for "power and prestige" but regular cats were not tolerated.
    "Sometimes they served as models, sometimes as images of the enemy, sometimes they were just a means to an end," says Jan Mohnhaupt, author of the book Tiere im Nationalsozialismus (Animals in National Socialism) that also recounts the story of the Buchenwald zoo. "Anyone who wants to learn about the arbitrariness and contradictions of the Nazi regime should not ignore the animals."

    https://www.dw.com/en/hitlers-dogs-g%C3%B6rings-lions-how-the-nazis-used-and-abused-animals/a-53698708


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Blondi I believe. Hitler got more upset over animals suffering than humans. Stalin was the same. A few posters here seem to have that in common with them.

    Again, sweeping generalisations and judgements of others.

    How do you know people here get more upset about humans suffering than animals?

    Maybe lay off trying to sneer at others and take a look at yourself and what you are projecting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    topper75 wrote: »
    Naive - a fine charge to lay against me. You are the one upset that a politician's dog died :D

    I own a dog. Of course when he goes (he ain't great right now) I'll be upset. Which makes sense. It is my dog. The only people who can mourn that Bernese with any authenticity are Higgins, his family, and staff who would see the dog. For everybody else - it is just fake emotion. Nothing more.



    Yet, here are some people on an Irish forum upset that a politician's pet died. For real. Unless you are all trolling. In which case I doff my hat. You caught me. It would probably be the better outcome.

    No; it is empathy. It reminds us of the pain we felt on losing OUR dog or cat. Far from fake. All too real. Dogs give unconditional love. A rare thing... My own dog is in my heart today.

    On a side note; news item today on rte online re a rat that has just been awarded a gold medal for being able to detect land mines... Cannot post link.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Graces7 wrote: »
    No; it is empathy. It reminds us of the pain we felt on losing OUR dog or cat. Far from fake. All too real. Dogs give unconditional love. A rare thing... My own dog is in my heart today.

    On a side note; news item today on rte online re a rat that has just been awarded a gold medal for being able to detect land mines... Cannot post link.

    You'd have to feel sorry for someone who labels love for a pet as fake emotion. It is their loss definitely.

    Post about the rat already posted - link in post 108.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,690 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I do think they're going way overboard with the murals etc regarding this dog. Looked like a beautiful dog but it's annoying for people who would like to see animal welfare improved and an end to factory farming, seeing people gushing over this dead dog while having no problem eating pork products made in horrific conditions (which is pretty much all Irish pork!).


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    anewme wrote: »
    You'd have to feel sorry for someone who labels love for a pet as fake emotion. ...

    Literally nobody claimed that here. You are making a strawman argument. The fakeness is pretend sadness at somebody else's pet that you did not know.
    Fake emotion is right there amongst psycho traits:
    https://brocku.ca/brock-news/2015/03/psychopaths-mimic-emotions-very-accurately-brock-study/


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    topper75 wrote: »
    Literally nobody claimed that here. You are making a strawman argument. The fakeness is pretend sadness at somebody else's pet that you did not know.
    Fake emotion is right there amongst psycho traits:
    https://brocku.ca/brock-news/2015/03/psychopaths-mimic-emotions-very-accurately-brock-study/

    What you call fake, others call empathy.

    Who are you to tell people they are faking and pretending?

    I dont think the people here who can empathise with others are the ones at risk of being psychos somehow...


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,745 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    topper75 wrote: »
    Literally nobody claimed that here. You are making a strawman argument. The fakeness is pretend sadness at somebody else's pet that you did not know.
    Fake emotion is right there amongst psycho traits:
    https://brocku.ca/brock-news/2015/03/psychopaths-mimic-emotions-very-accurately-brock-study/

    I don't think you're seeing that people can feel actual emotion for a dog they never met. Just like you can feel actual emotion for a person you've never met. I'm not lying awake at night, crying my eyes out, but I feel bad for the Prez and his madra.

    Also, I didn't know I had so much in common with psychos, Hitler and Stalin until this thread. You live, you learn. Now, I'm off to annex Roscommon with my faithful dogs, Rommel and Goebbels.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,101 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Antares35 wrote: »

    it only works 30 minutes a day and they give it a medal. where is my medal?


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,988 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Blondi I believe. Hitler got more upset over animals suffering than humans. Stalin was the same. A few posters here seem to have that in common with them.
    Michael D is of course a fellow traveller of Stalin.
    The 'useful idiot' was the term used back in the day.

    Mod:

    Don't post in this thread again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,712 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    I do think they're going way overboard with the murals etc regarding this dog. Looked like a beautiful dog but it's annoying for people who would like to see animal welfare improved and an end to factory farming, seeing people gushing over this dead dog while having no problem eating pork products made in horrific conditions (which is pretty much all Irish pork!).

    Now all I want is a rasher sandwich...


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    topper75 wrote: »
    Literally nobody claimed that here. You are making a strawman argument. The fakeness is pretend sadness at somebody else's pet that you did not know.
    Fake emotion is right there amongst psycho traits:
    https://brocku.ca/brock-news/2015/03/psychopaths-mimic-emotions-very-accurately-brock-study/
    Except nobody is pretending to be sad either. They are empathising. That's not the same thing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    I do think they're going way overboard with the murals etc regarding this dog. Looked like a beautiful dog but it's annoying for people who would like to see animal welfare improved and an end to factory farming, seeing people gushing over this dead dog while having no problem eating pork products made in horrific conditions (which is pretty much all Irish pork!).

    This is a good point. I remember a few years ago there was outrage when some looney deliberately ran his lawnmower over a duck and her chicks. Presumably many of those outraged consume battery eggs (or any I suppose) which industry shreds live male chicks because they are deemed useless.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Antares35 wrote: »
    Except nobody is pretending to be sad either. They are empathising. That's not the same thing.

    Yeah I don't think that clears the problem. Following this line, the presidential limo doesn't start some frosty morning; will they run a story on that in the national broadcaster?

    Come on - we've all been there with our own jalopies looking for neighbours to push us down the road. We can empathise right?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    topper75 wrote: »
    Yeah I don't think that clears the problem. Following this line, the presidential limo doesn't start some frosty morning; will they run a story on that in the national broadcaster?

    Come on - we've all been there with our own jalopies looking for neighbours to push us down the road. We can empathise right?

    Ah would you stop being deliberately obtuse.

    Is it any wonder some people prefer the company of dogs, lol.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    anewme wrote: »
    Ah would you stop being deliberately obtuse.

    Is it any wonder some people prefer the company of dogs, lol.

    I know! I can't even keep up with the mental gymnastics. :)


Advertisement