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Should Berlin in Dame St be closed down?

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  • #62
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    dotsman wrote: »
    In the absence of safe, well run pubs being allowed to open by the government, I wouldn't punish any pub for opening in whatever manner. What we see in this clip, and all the house-parties and field sessions are exactly what an intelligent person would expect to happen in this era of prohibition.

    Throughout the summer, when a young/fun person has gone out to socialise and have even a bit of fun, they are hoping to find a venue that will break the rules. Why? Because the rules are stupid and unworkable (€9 food and 105 minutes are exactly the kind of rules that a bureaucrat that has never had fun would dream up of). Instead, all pubs should be open, with the government working with them to ensure low-risk environments (seating-only, decent distance between each table, tables/chairs out on the streets, strict table-service, strict hygiene of bar staff etc). Allow people to have fun in a safe way, and they won't need to pursue risky activities that we see in the clip.

    P.S. threads like this highlight how many old/dull people there are on boards :D

    I saw a publican in our local paper last week saying about they way his pub was a responsibly ran pub, etc, etc.
    At Christmas, there was no soap, the toilets were so bad I went to the chipper up the street for a piss. No soap, a broken hand towel, and an overflowing urinal.
    And you think he should be open in a pandemic?


  • #63
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    Jizique wrote: »
    It wasn’t at night and it was a private “brunch party”; now, it probably should be closed due to Jay Bourke’s Involvement alone, but not sure you can blame the cops for this one

    I dunno, the fact that it seems like nobody is policing this is the crux of the problem though, no?


  • #64
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,441 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    dotsman wrote: »
    P.S. threads like this highlight how many old/dull people there are on boards :D

    Safe, safe and sensible people on boards, many of whom have done all the stupid risky things and are offering advice from positions of experience.
    Albeit not of a pandemic, but of outliving some folk!

    I've lived longer than Jesus FFS!
    People should totally do as I order :P


  • #65
    shaveAbullock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭shaveAbullock


    Jizique wrote: »
    It wasn’t at night and it was a private “brunch party”; now, it probably should be closed due to Jay Bourke’s Involvement alone, but not sure you can blame the cops for this one

    Private party with tickets sold to the general public.
    So really just a pub with an admission fee.


  • #66
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,441 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »
    Or perhaps just close the non compliant pubs for 2 weeks for the first breach, 4 weeks for the next and I doubt there will be many needing a third closure.

    The worst of the pubs will have loads of social media videos showing how great the 'craic' is so no need to even enter the pubs, just get the Gardai to call in with a closure notice the following morning.

    That would need legislation though.
    It's an appropriate response and allows for escalation.
    Thing is currently the only response available is an objection at the licensing court.


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  • #67
    its_steve116
    Registered Users Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭its_steve116


    Man with broke phone wrote: »
    This means nothing to me
















    Oh Vienna.

    Tune!


  • #68
    An Ri rua
    Registered Users Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    It's a Saturday afternoon and if I remember the layout of that bar properly, they're out of view of the street. It's also a private function so who's going to call them?

    Still a shower of ***** though....

    Who the f*CK has brunch in the afternoon?? They need to be taught a lesson in dining etiquette. The ad reads like one of the Famous Five and Austin Power's lovechild wrote it.
    F*CK me....


  • #69
    An Ri rua
    Registered Users Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    banie01 wrote: »
    Safe, safe and sensible people on boards, many of whom have done all the stupid risky things and are offering advice from positions of experience.
    Albeit not of a pandemic, but of outliving some folk!

    I've lived longer than Jesus FFS!
    People should totally do as I order :P

    Jesus was a bit of a risk taker in fairness. If he'd just got another year or two out of it, he'd be as old as Mick Jagger now.


  • #70
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,871 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    The simplist solution would have not to allow the sale of alcohol in bars, cafes, restaurants etc until phase 4.


  • #71
    dotsman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭dotsman


    PhilOssophy wrote: »
    I saw a publican in our local paper last week saying about they way his pub was a responsibly ran pub, etc, etc.
    At Christmas, there was no soap, the toilets were so bad I went to the chipper up the street for a piss. No soap, a broken hand towel, and an overflowing urinal.
    And you think he should be open in a pandemic?

    Of course he should be allowed open. And proactively given direct advise/audit prior to opening to help him do things the right way (i.e. enable customer to enjoy themselves safely and still make a profit). While open, he should be regularly checked, and if in serious breach, or repeated minor breaches - then, absolutely, shut him down.
    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    The simplist solution would have not to allow the sale of alcohol in bars, cafes, restaurants etc until phase 4.
    And have even more house parties/field sessions! Out of sight, out of mind!

    And, in the meantime, stamp all over the already-fcuked economy.

    People seem to forget that the virus is likely to be with us for a long time. Our job is to find ways to live with it, not simply shut everything down and re-emerge from our bunkers in several year's time.


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  • #72
    Dank Janniels
    Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭Dank Janniels


    PhilOssophy wrote: »
    I saw a publican in our local paper last week saying about they way his pub was a responsibly ran pub, etc, etc.
    At Christmas, there was no soap, the toilets were so bad I went to the chipper up the street for a piss. No soap, a broken hand towel, and an overflowing urinal.
    And you think he should be open in a pandemic?

    Litteraly hundreds of pubs like this, all so called centre of their communities, the heart of rural Ireland but yet they cant even stretch to a roll of toilet paper in the jax!
    Yesterday on social media pub owners were saying support not sympathise including 1 in my village who happens to be cruising around town in his 201 merc!


  • #73
    dotsman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭dotsman


    banie01 wrote: »
    Safe, safe and sensible people on boards, many of whom have done all the stupid risky things and are offering advice from positions of experience.
    Albeit not of a pandemic, but of outliving some folk!

    I've lived longer than Jesus FFS!
    People should totally do as I order :P

    Oh, don't get me wrong, I too have surpassed the late JC (but still fun)!

    But, if you think back to your 16-22 year old self, what would you have done with this "advice"? The people making the decisions have zero empathy or understanding for how hundreds of thousands of people live.

    What people seem to be forgetting is that, to a 15-22 year old (and older), having fun with their friends is a 1,000 times the bigger priority than the reopening of furniture and DIY stores. And ask yourself this - who is the more immature, the young adult who just wants to have some fun with their friends, or the bureaucrats and TDs who are playing games ("OK, we'll let you have a pint as long as you pay €9 for a meal" and "105 minutes is enough for anyone to have their fun").

    As long as the government (supported by certain people) role out stupid rules instead of sensible, practical rules that clearly are to people's benefit, a significant proportion of the population are going to flip the bird at such rules/authority.


  • #74
    McGinniesta
    Registered Users Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭McGinniesta


    Once it doesnt affect the stags head then we're good


  • #75
    Wanderer2010
    Registered Users Posts: 6,657 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    L1011 wrote: »
    It'll have an exceptionally hard time keeping its licence when it comes up for renewal in September (all licences run October->September) anyway.

    Although the last major licence-stripping was 20 years ago

    This. This is why pubs in Ireland arent frightened about being caught breaking regulations. There is zero punishment from the authorities and therefore no incentive to stick to the rules. HSE and HIQA are toothless and havent got the guts to actually stand by their own principals. This pub wont be stripped of its license anymore than any of the meat factories will be shut down. All talk no action.


  • #76
    Bobtheman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Off licenses open while practically everything else closed.


  • #77
    Bobtheman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Wanderer2010 wrote: »
    This. This is why pubs in Ireland arent frightened about being caught breaking regulations. There is zero punishment from the authorities and therefore no incentive to stick to the rules. HSE and HIQA are toothless and havent got the guts to actually stand by their own principals. This pub wont be stripped of its license anymore than any of the meat factories will be shut down. All talk no action.

    I'm not so sure. Larry and co always frighten off politicians from meat factories. Regulating them has always been farcical.
    We have more than enough pubs and thus would not assume guards won't object


  • #78
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,302 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    People going up to the bar, one by one taking drinks. Bar man had a Mask on. There were some people dancing in the background, most likely in the groups that they were with already.

    What's the problem?

    Even in non covid times pouring shots directly in peoples mouths is against the responsible service of alcohol laws


  • #79
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,816 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    Off licenses open while practically everything else closed.
    Where is closed bar wet pubs, theatres, some cinemas? If off license was closed people would just buy more in a supermarket....so what odds?


  • #80
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,302 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »
    Man thats cringy as fcuk.

    Im old as fcuk though.

    That should be enough to get it shut down alone


  • #81
    un5byh7sqpd2x0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭un5byh7sqpd2x0


    Why’s the poll private?


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  • #82
    chrissb8
    Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭chrissb8


    sabat wrote: »
    What the f*ck happened to you people? Grassing people up to the fun police as we descend into a joyless dystopia.

    Nah.

    Just not one rule for one and anther for the rest.

    "Joyless dystopia" Calm down George Orwell


  • #83
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,279 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Was in ther maybe twice

    The last time a good covers band was on

    They called themselves bangers for cash which amused me and my buddies for a few mins


  • #84
    buried
    Registered Users Posts: 9,661 ✭✭✭buried


    Keep it open and leave all the people still dancing to that Mr.Brightside track in 2020 in the kip for the rest of their lives listening to that awful piece of rubbish on repeat.

    That'll learn em

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • #85
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    dotsman wrote: »
    Of course he should be allowed open. And proactively given direct advise/audit prior to opening to help him do things the right way (i.e. enable customer to enjoy themselves safely and still make a profit). While open, he should be regularly checked, and if in serious breach, or repeated minor breaches - then, absolutely, shut him down.

    So what is the standard of soap and towels required? If a cleaning schedule was requested, he would go in every hr and write on the door that the toilet was checked. Not cleaned, but checked.


  • #86
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    dotsman wrote: »
    Our job is to find ways to live with it, not simply shut everything down and re-emerge from our bunkers in several year's time.

    Yep, that is working well for Uncle Sam isn't it!


  • #87
    dotsman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭dotsman


    PhilOssophy wrote: »
    So what is the standard of soap and towels required?
    The standard should always be high. But these days it should be exceptionally high. Any service that doesn't at least display basic common cleanliness should be shut down.
    PhilOssophy wrote: »
    If a cleaning schedule was requested, he would go in every hr and write on the door that the toilet was checked. Not cleaned, but checked.

    And he would find himself with zero customers, and being shut down by inspectors.

    I don't think you understand the point. All bars should be open and operating to the highest safety standards with sensible rules and guidelines. When that happens, the mantra changes from "I hope this pub isn't following the stupid rules" to "Not going there again - there are far better/safer pubs around the corner/down the next street".

    Ultimately, the social distancing and hygiene practices of a pub would be just as, if not more, important to punters than price, range of beers, atmosphere, lack of scumbags, queues and all the other criteria that people historically think of when choosing a pub.
    PhilOssophy wrote: »
    Yep, that is working well for Uncle Sam isn't it!
    As long as the Republican party, headed by Trump, are refusing to tackle the pandemic, then the US is fcuked. I'm not sure what the relevance to this thread is though...


  • #88
    maestroamado
    Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Leanna Ugly Jig wrote: »
    Why’s the poll private?


    Thats an ecumenical matter...


  • #89
    lisasimpson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭lisasimpson


    So thats what happened to pete with tourette's from big brother. Making a show of himself in dublin during a pandemic


  • #90
    chrissb8
    Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭chrissb8


    sabat wrote: »
    What the f*ck happened to you people? Grassing people up to the fun police as we descend into a joyless dystopia.

    Nah.

    Just not one rule for one and anther for the rest.

    "Joyless dystopia" Calm down George Orwell


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  • #91
    touts
    Registered Users Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭touts


    Absolutely close them down. Refuse to renew the licence and bring in legislation permanently prohibiting anyone from applying for a licence if they are found to have flouted Covid rules.

    Make an example of Berlin and it's owners and everyone else will come in line. Better to have 4 or 5 irresponsible businesses shut down than have the economy crippled longer than necessary.

    Long term barstaff need to be subject to a similar licence and training requirement as the bouncers on the door. Anyone found behaving as dangerously irresponsible as the barman in this case should never work in the sector again.


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