What Are You Drinking Thread? Good Friday edition

robindch · 03-04-2015 10:08pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Does a priest drink wine at mass today?

There's no mass on Good Friday:

http://www.catholic.org/clife/lent/friday.php

catholic.org wrote:

The liturgical observance of this day of Christ's suffering, crucifixion and death evidently has been in existence from the earliest days of the Church. No Mass is celebrated on this day, but the service of Good Friday is called the Mass of the Presanctified because Communion (in the species of bread) which had already been consecrated on Holy Thursday is given to the people .

Traditionally, the organ is silent from Holy Thursday until the Alleluia at the Easter Vigil , as are all bells or other instruments, the only music during this period being unaccompanied chant.

The omission of the prayer of consecration deepens our sense of loss because Mass throughout the year reminds us of the Lord's triumph over death, the source of our joy and blessing. The desolate quality of the rites of this day reminds us of Christ's humiliation and suffering during his Passion.

PopePalpatine · 03-04-2015 11:00pm

To answer the thread title, I'm drinking some rum mixed with some diluted orange squash.

vicwatson · 04-04-2015 10:58am

robindch wrote: »

There's no mass on Good Friday:

http://www.catholic.org/clife/lent/friday.php

So the answer to my question is no, correct? ?

robindch · 07-04-2015 10:29am

vicwatson wrote: »

So the answer to my question is no, correct? ?

At the risk of appearing jesuitical, you asked two questions, one of which was implied. The first question was whether there was a mass today, and the second was, if so, would the priest drink wine at it? The answer to your first question was "no", so the second question does not apply

robindch · 18-01-2016 2:00pm

Can't think of a better way to celebrate the 1916 centenary than by declaring our independence from the Vatican by supporting the call from the Vitners Federation of Ireland (VFI) and the Licensed Vitners Association to to lift the Good Friday ban on alcohol sales:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/publicans-call-on-government-to-scrap-good-friday-alcohol-ban-1.2500768

Fred Swanson · 18-01-2016 2:08pm

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Hotblack Desiato · 18-01-2016 6:13pm

Just because a premises is permitted to open on any given day does not imply it must.

robindch · 24-01-2016 4:11pm

The Irish Catholic reckons that the ban on serving alcohol is a sign that the country as a whole wants to hold onto "some" "christian values":

http://www.irishcatholic.ie/article/good-friday-drinks-ban-proof-remaining-christian-values-%E2%80%93-claim

James Shevlin wrote:

"The Pioneer Association, while it is a temperance movement, is also a movement that has a Church grounding. From a Catholic point of view it is known that Good Friday is the solemn day of the year. That was acknowledged and very much taken into account when the ban was introduced in legislation back in the 1920s and we feel that acknowledgment should still be there [...] I can see no good reason why this particular ban should be lifted. This is just one day in the year. The year is well legislated for in terms of licencing hours and we feel that it is sending a message that we are a country that wants to hold onto some of the Christian values" [...and those who played a part in the 1916 Rising...] “fought for a higher ideal than opening pub doors on Good Friday”.

Nodin · 24-01-2016 4:14pm

robindch wrote: »

The Irish Catholic reckons that the ban on serving alcohol is a sign that the country as a whole wants to hold onto "some" "christian values":

http://www.irishcatholic.ie/article/good-friday-drinks-ban-proof-remaining-christian-values-%E2%80%93-claim

The only reason I'd hang on to it is its one of the very few days the workers are guaranteed a day off.

Fred Swanson · 24-01-2016 4:32pm

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Hotblack Desiato · 07-02-2017 11:41pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Yet again, we are promised 'next year, maybe' when it comes to repealing one of the most stupid, unnecessary and unwanted laws on the statute books.

And here we go again...

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/publicans-call-for-end-to-90-year-old-good-friday-alcohol-ban-1.2965257

Publicans have called for the 90-year-old ban on serving alcohol on Good Friday to be lifted.

In a now annual plea, the two main organisations representing the licensed pub trade have asked the Government to introduce what they believe is a simple piece of legislation to allow them open their doors on that day.

Chief executive of the VFI, Padraig Cribben, said the law was over 90 years old and that consumers should be able to go out for a drink on Good Friday if they chose.

The two representative bodies said they had drafted legislation that was ready to be brought before the Oireachtas and they urged Minister for Justice Frances Fitzgerald to introduce it before Easter 2017.

A study by Prof Anthony Foley of DCU last year estimated the Good Friday ban costs publicans across the State €30 million, with a further €6 million in excise lost to the Exchequer.

One might have thought that so-called 'new politics' might give an opportunity for the opposition to get such a bill of their own passed?

robindch · 09-04-2017 5:03pm

With but five days to go, sources close to the levers of power indicate that this Friday might well be the last dry one. In the light of other political back-stabbing going on just now, one can only hope that the government will live long enough to enact this.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/good-friday-alcohol-sales-ban-to-be-abolished-1.3041196

Irish Times wrote:

The Government is moving to lift the 90-year-old ban on the sale of alcohol on Good Friday.

Tánaiste Frances Fitzgerald is expected to signal in the coming days that she will not oppose a Bill in the Seanad calling for the restriction to be abolished. Government sources said this is a firm indication of a policy shift from the Minister for Justice. The change is likely to come into effect for Good Friday 2018. It is expected that the Government will then incorporate the proposals of the Bill, tabled by a group of Independent Senators, into its own legislation aiming to reform the sale, supply and consumption of alcohol.

The Intoxicating Liquor (Amendment) Bill 2017 from Billy Lawless, Victor Boyhan, Michael McDowell and Gerard Craughwell will come before the Upper House next week. Sources said that the policy move was “coming at some stage” anyway as part of the upcoming reform of alcohol laws, but acknowledged that the Government would probably be beaten on a vote on the Independent Bill in the Seanad if it opposed it. It was also pointed out that the Bill from the Independents is primarily aimed at pubs, whereas the Government legislation will probably be broader.

The move is likely to be included in the Sale of Alcohol Bill, which is expected to come before the Dáil later this year. The Sale of Alcohol Bill is intended to replace the laws regulating the “sale, supply and consumption” of alcohol with “streamlined and updated provisions more suited to modern conditions”.

“The decision at this point is to not oppose the [Seanad] Bill, hear the arguments and consider it under in the Sale of Alcohol Bill,” a source said. The abolition of the Good Friday ban will also be considered alongside the Public Health (Alcohol) Bill, which aims to reduce general alcohol consumption in Ireland.

Publicans have long been campaigning for the removal of the ban introduced in 1927. The legislation provides exemptions allowing the sale of alcohol to those attending events or travelling by sea, rail, air or ferry, at a licensed theatre, and for hotel guests eating a meal.

Hotblack Desiato · 09-04-2017 6:16pm

Yeah right. It's always 'next year' isn't it, but next year never arrives...

All very 'Lord make me chaste, but not yet' isn't it?

I'll believe it when I see it!

Also why link it to the PHAB? many of the measures within it are idiotic to be frank. Booze burkas ffs. Serious adverse consequences for craft brewers here (labelling etc) and we can expect importers of niche alcohol products to have difficulty/expense meeting the unique labelling requirements of the small Irish market.
This should be regulated at the EU level.

pauldla · 11-04-2017 2:50am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Yeah right. It's always 'next year' isn't it, but next year never arrives...

All very 'Lord make me chaste, but not yet' isn't it?

I'll believe it when I see it!

Also why link it to the PHAB? many of the measures within it are idiotic to be frank. Booze burkas ffs. Serious adverse consequences for craft brewers here (labelling etc) and we can expect importers of niche alcohol products to have difficulty/expense meeting the unique labelling requirements of the small Irish market.
This should be regulated at the EU level.

"Jam tomorrow, jam yesterday, but never jam today."

Hotblack Desiato · 12-04-2017 12:22am

The Pioneers and the Ionanists are at it now

Iona Institute opposes end to Good Friday drink sales ban

According to Census 2016 figures, “78.3 per cent of the population identify themselves as Catholic. Good Friday marks an important day in the Christian calendar and is a day that is commemorated by many Christians in Ireland and worldwide,” Mr O’Connor said.

Of course they don't employ this sort of 'logic' when giving out about countries where other religions are in the majority and use that as an excuse to oppress christians.

magicbastarder · 12-04-2017 9:12am

i bought some nikka coffey grain whiskey recently, as the nikka 'from the barrel' is really nice.
however, the latest purchase is cloyingly sweet and not very enjoyable. avoid.

robindch · 14-04-2017 10:30am

Tesco does a Cadburys and the religious find themselves offended. Again.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-39587226

frostyjacks · 14-04-2017 2:10pm

robindch wrote: »

Tesco does a Cadburys and the religious find themselves offended. Again.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-39587226

I can't imagine them similarly trolling Muslims with special offers on pork during Ramadan. Their ad makes literally no sense.

magicbastarder · 14-04-2017 2:13pm

just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

Malari · 14-04-2017 2:20pm

frostyjacks wrote: »

I can't imagine them similarly trolling Muslims with special offers on pork during Ramadan. Their ad makes literally no sense.

That's because everyone else can still buy pork during Ramadan :pac:

magicbastarder · 14-04-2017 2:24pm

the ad was uk based though. so the alcohol ban is irrelevant.

frostyjacks · 14-04-2017 2:25pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

How does it make sense? Good Friday, a day of abstinence, and a drinks promotion? It's ignorant, only a fool or a bigot would defend it.

magicbastarder · 14-04-2017 2:28pm

i'm not trying to defend it. your comment 'it literally makes no sense' seemed to imply that the (weak) pun didn't make sense. it made sense, whatever you think of it.

frostyjacks · 14-04-2017 2:34pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

i'm not trying to defend it. your comment 'it literally makes no sense' seemed to imply that the (weak) pun didn't make sense. it made sense, whatever you think of it.

Explain how it made sense.

magicbastarder · 14-04-2017 2:37pm

eh..
'good friday'
'better friday'.

frostyjacks · 14-04-2017 3:08pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

eh..
'good friday'
'better friday'.

But it doesn't make sense when you consider the culural significance of Good Friday. Why an alcohol promotion?

Fred Swanson · 14-04-2017 3:11pm

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frostyjacks · 14-04-2017 3:19pm

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Because other people are not subject to papal bulls not to drink alcohol.

So why link it to a Holy Day if they're targeting customers who aren't observing it?

looksee · 14-04-2017 3:49pm

I have no time for religiosity but neither do I believe in offending people for the sake of it. The Tesco ad did not do anything for their reputation or for customers' good will in general.

While a lot of people would not have seen any difference between that and 'Easter Specials, legs of lamb half price', those that did 'get' it could easily have found it inappropriate. Why annoy people? Anyway it has been pulled so evidently Tesco HO agreed.

PopePalpatine · 14-04-2017 5:05pm

I listened back to a debate on the removal of the Easter Friday booze ban from yesterday's Last Word, and I'm pretty sure failed TD Senator Joe O'Reilly used almost every Catholic-Statist cliché argument, much like Michael Healy-Rae a few days earlier discussing prayers in the Dail:

'Tis a Catholic country (try searching the Constitution for the RCC's "special position"...oh wait, it's not there. Besides, other majority-Catholic countries like Spain have no such ban.)
Can't ye go one day without de drink?
Me rural pubs can't handle another day of trade in de year! (Perhaps he should look at the disaster of rural planning in this country...oh wait, that might mean he'd implicate himself. :rolleyes:)
Me Catholic identity!/Ireland will become soulless and commercialised
De pubs don't want it! (Refuted by the Vintners' representative on the other side of the debate)
Other atheists/non-Catholics don't kick up a fuss about it to me (maybe it's because they don't see you as important enough to contact about this :rolleyes:)

At least he didn't resort to, "If you don't like it you can giiiiiiiiiit out!"

What Are You Drinking Thread? Good Friday edition

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