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The Defender thread

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  • 11-01-2010 10:36am
    #1
    Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭


    Hey guys.

    Haven't noticed a thread about Land Rover Defenders in general so thought I'd start this one up :)

    About my Defender

    Bought this last year and it was in a bit of a rough and ready condition. The RAC inspected it and the engines a good-un. :p
    It's got the 300 TDI engine in it (despite being a 2001 model) so I know it's not got the potential of being a nightmare to work on compared to the newer Td5.

    A few niggles here and there.

    The bodywork was a bit dented and needed some work

    P1050214.jpg

    Nice views, you feel like master and commander up in the cab :)

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    Bit 'o damage here:

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    The landrover was previously owned by a drilling company and has a nice open space in the back that is stripped out and is great for stowage. I've got big plans for in here:

    P1050228.jpg

    Theses are really handy for letting fresh outside air in. When you are at speed you don't need any fans drawing air away from the engine either :)

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    Need to see about getting a padlock on here.

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    I've also started a web-page featuring Defenders from the early days up to the present here:

    http://www.squidoo.com/land-roverdefender

    Please if you can spare the time take a quick look and let me know what you think of it.

    Over the next few days I'll be posting the project work carried out so far...

    Friendly feedback appreciated :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭Bearcat


    Well done on your thread re Landrover defenders.....the only thing i'll say is you mention 32mpg attainable on motorways......not on the ones I've driven.

    I'm looking at a commercial td5 next week as a gate keeper. Have had a td5 and a hybrid v8 90 in the past. As daily drivers, no but as a hack, pulling trailers, heading off up the mountains, etc....brilliant


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    Nice Defender and nice site, I'll have a proper look later.

    Here's my Td5 CSW (old picture, got decent tyres and winch bumper fitted now)

    IMG_0095-1.jpg

    Nothing wrong with Td5s, they are very reliable. Having a Nanocom ECU tool helps with servicing. Get 25 - 28mpg out of mine.

    My previous 110, 1984 factory registered military demonstrator

    110.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭Bearcat


    Further to Seans comments and he is a die hard Defender man, re chipping the ecu's in the TD5.....i had a disaster here with a plug in piggy back chip. Suddenly you'd be at 60mph and bang it would revert to safe mode and no power....not what you want in the fast lane at night.....only way to get power back was to flick ignition on/off.......made night driving interesting. I ended up getting my ecu properly flashed, took out the cat, put an allie intercooler it and by god was my td5 fast......I sold it stupidly. Next td5 I'm not going to chip, all I'll put into it will be an overdrive.

    Anyway back in the hunt for a commercial td5 90......even bringing the td 5 to a shopping centre....hillarous as the way only one person going to come off better re car park rash.....the old landie. As for off road capability it was superb to only shaded by the G wagens.....their complicated diff locks have the edge.


  • Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭Watch Ryder


    Although some people might call me crazy I use my Defender as a daily driver (it's either that or the Nissan Skyline!) as it's pretty practical in its own way.

    Anyway I've got time to show a bit of the project history so far:

    As you can see the back and front bumpers are pretty rusty looking and faded. The rust isn't deep though and is mostly surface stuff.

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    So with a grinder and a smooth disc I set about grinding down the worst rust bits and sanding down the rest.

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    This done I used a few coats of rust eater. Once this had dried I started applying black hammerite paint. This stuff is quite expensive but it is specifically designed for metal application and doesn't need any undercoats. You just slap dash it on. You know the saying 'If you can p&ss, you can paint' :D Only kidding there painter-folk :)

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    I took off the towing array and gave that a good going over too.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 44 hplp


    I use a 110 every day and wouldnt use anything else, and have been driving land rovers everyday for the past 6 years.

    32 is attainable and thats what my 90 (200tdi tweeked) used to always get and lots more (ive had a gps'd 42mpg).

    My 110 on the other hand is more like 26-28.

    H


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    Mine's a daily driver as well, had Land Rovers for nearly 30 years now :eek:

    WRT tuning, piggy back black boxes are a bad idea on Td5s as Bearcat found. If you want a tune get a proper one off Ian (porny on many forums) at IRB. I've thought about it but mine goes pretty well anyway :D

    You can make a 200/300Tdi go a lot better with some judicious pump tweaks, not done it to one myself but it's well documented on some of the forums.

    I have a GKN overdrive on mine and have loads of trouble with it, probably going to remove if and fit 1.22 disco gearing. Others have had 1000's of miles of use with no problems though.

    Keeping the rear crossmember looking tidy is a pain alright, I repaint mine and spray waxoil every couple of years.

    Just fitted Gwyn Lewis suspension kit to mine, already have a 2" lift but kept knocking shock bushes out. Was just going to fit new shock mounts and longer shocks but ended up going the whole hog :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭skelliser


    i really want to buy a defender, always loved the shape. It would be for daily driving and the ocassional weekend off-road excursion/ camping trip!
    I know absolutly nothing about them! have looked at carzone and seen a good few for the 6/7 grand mark, this is my budget range.

    where should i start?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    101sean wrote: »
    Nice Defender and nice site, I'll have a proper look later.

    Here's my Td5 CSW (old picture, got decent tyres and winch bumper fitted now)

    IMG_0095-1.jpg

    Thats a fine looking beast there 101sean. Always liked the shape of the defender.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭Slidey


    Just as a matter of interest.. do any of the Defender owners here ever had to deal with serious rust between the rear axle and back panel on the chassis legs?

    I heard that you can buy the full chassis leg from the rear to directly over the axle, any truth in that?

    Also, what is the life span for the first ball joint down from the steering box?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭O.A.P


    Slidey wrote: »
    Just as a matter of interest.. do any of the Defender owners here ever had to deal with serious rust between the rear axle and back panel on the chassis legs?

    I heard that you can buy the full chassis leg from the rear to directly over the axle, any truth in that?

    Also, what is the life span for the first ball joint down from the steering box?
    Mine has over 90000miles done anyway
    If you mean rear out rigers yeah thats a fact.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    Every Land Rover ever made suffer from rotten rear crossmembers :rolleyes:

    For series Landies you get rear quarter and half chassis. Defenders aren't quite as bad and replacement rear xmembers come with a section of chassis to sleeve over the original, only about the rear 2-300mm is usually affected. Easy on a 110 (that green one of mine had the xmember replaced) bit harder on a 90.

    You can buy just about any part of a Land Rover chassis but sometimes it's more economical to stick a cherished motor on a new galvanised chassis.

    You can get a repair kit for drop arm ball joints, life varies, I've never had one go. If anyone ever needs to replace a steering box, get one with the drop arm and joint on it, the drop arms are a nightmare to remove off the box (but being Land Rover I've also seen them drop off:rolleyes:)

    Skelliser, not sure where you should start here, there are a few around but not the choice you'd get in the UK. For your money you are probably looking at a v good pre 98 300tdi or OK pre 02 Td5, newer may have been abused for that sort of sum. Buy on condition, not age. There may be bargains around though, some don't know the value of what they have. Values are skewed here because of the tax regime, in the UK you'd get a far newer Discovery or an OK Td5 for the same money. Worth keeping an eye on the Ireland section of Landroveraddicts forum and read through Watch Ryder's site. Have you driven one before, not everyone will deal with the culture shock if they're used to cars ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭Watch Ryder


    Well said Sean.

    When I first got the defender the first thing I did was get underneath it and have a good root!

    Under the arches and the nooks and crannies. Lots of mud stuck underneath there!
    I got it all out and thankfully all the rust is just surface rust.

    From my army days I'm glad I got used to the 'unique experience' of driving on day to day. They may seem like a cumbersome war-horse compared to the 'gazelle-like' swiftness of a 'modern' car or SUV but they'll still be driving around long after they've gone to junk (in most cases). But once you've adjusted and like the style of driving one you won't be that bothered by the difference.


  • Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭Watch Ryder


    skelliser wrote: »
    i really want to buy a defender, always loved the shape. It would be for daily driving and the ocassional weekend off-road excursion/ camping trip!
    I know absolutly nothing about them! have looked at carzone and seen a good few for the 6/7 grand mark, this is my budget range.

    where should i start?

    That sort of money should get you a fairly decent defender. Don't be put off too much if there's light / cosmetic damage, trust me these things can shrug off a lot more!
    The main thing to check is if the engine is in good nick and everything works ok.
    For what you want I'd say a 110 300TDI would be pretty useful, allowing you tons of room for kit and sleeping in.
    For a big city like Dublin or London etc a 90 would be more practical for it's fuel economy and size. Ironically the 90s have a slight edge when it comes to offroad performance (power to weight advantage).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 985 ✭✭✭spadder




  • Registered Users Posts: 942 ✭✭✭gofaster_s13


    Slidey wrote: »
    what is the life span for the first ball joint down from the steering box?


    About 4 weeks as far as I can see:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭Slidey


    About 4 weeks as far as I can see:D

    * Gofaster has entered the witness protection program* :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    About 4 weeks as far as I can see

    I'll be sending the Hillbillys round with highlift jack handles! :mad:

    Careful what you say, some Landie fanatics can be very touchy! :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 44 hplp


    About 4 weeks as far as I can see:D


    Well it all depends if you use Sh*tpart!


    H


  • Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭dantastic


    Glad I found this thread, you might be the people to ask!

    I want a Defender (badly)... I'm looking to buy a 110 panel van type currently taxed as a commercial. I don't have a business or anything, I just want the car for some weekend fun. How does this work? Can I keep taxing it as commercial? How does it work with insurance? What do ye guys do?

    Know of any good 110's around that aren't being advertised by friends from Lagos?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭skelliser


    thanks for the advice watch ryder!

    it will likely be the summer before i get the euros together for it, friend of mine bought a english reg 110 from england, havent driven one yet but had a spin in it, i was giddy like a little child! the commanding view of the road is awesome!

    Answers to dantastics post would be much appreciated!

    i am partial to the 90's tho...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    There's been loads of other threads on this forum about VRT and road tax on imports by more knowledgeable people but as far as I can work out a 110 van or pick up will pay £50 VRT and you will get commercial road tax OK once it's DOE'd. The complications arise with 110 double cabs or utility station wagons which incur 13.5% VRT (as will 90s) and questions may be asked why you need the extra seats in a commercial when it comes to road tax it. Commercial VRT and commercial road tax are totally seperate issues that confuse a lot of people.

    Buying one already here will be simpler but limits your choice and you don't get the fun of confusing the VRO with something unusual :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭skelliser


    thanks for the heads up. will have to have a look into it
    im not to bothered with seats in the back anyhow.


  • Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭Watch Ryder


    The Next Step

    The landrovers interior was a mess from its previous owners.
    It was covered in this fine cement dust that would not sweep out nor wipe out easily.
    In the end I soaked up as much as I could and bought some green exterior wood paint and gave it the real slap-dash treatment :)

    Just prior to painting I got some filler going to repair the plywood floor. Obviously those heavy bags of cement had taken their toll previously :)

    P1050262-1.jpg

    Then it's down to business and I get painting.
    Although it's roomy inside the positions you've got to get into for painting are awkward in places. I even paint the underneath of the overhang near the bulkhead
    After a few sessions and multiple coats it's ready.

    It's green green green inside the rear cargo area now. :D
    From this dusty place:

    P1050228.jpg

    To this:

    P1050463.jpg

    No longer is dust ever present and getting on clothes and kit etc. With the gloss finish on now any muck or debris just wipes off :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭Watch Ryder


    The towing array I remounted.

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    I also used copperslip on the split-pins, locking pin and swivel. There's nothing worse when you're about to recover someone than having seized-up parts on your tow-bar.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭greenpeter


    series2a.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭greenpeter


    series2afr.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭Slidey


    Thats looks like a clean defender for its age.

    Well done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭greenpeter


    40euro tax 260euro insurance cause its classic so happy days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Hi,

    Im a musician and I currently use a 2000 jeep cherokee sport to lug around all our gear around mayo and sligo and galway in all weathers and roads. BUT, Its getting a bit tired and someone mentioned that a good buy would be a landrover defender LWB. Any tips about what, where and how much should I be looking to spend. Should i buy in the UK???


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭O.A.P


    greenpeter wrote: »
    series2afr.jpg
    Thats one good looking landrover, pm me if you want to sell her:)


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