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Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

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  • #32
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,381 ✭[Deleted User]


    blinding wrote: »
    Its a blessing that they did not have to resort to violence to free themselves .

    In what world would there be violence as a result of leaving a trade bloc with some surpranational powers...

    Did you ever really think the UK was so trapped, that could be necessary?


  • #33
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    First Up wrote: »
    Twenty seven sovereign independent countries (and others in the queue) think otherwise but I'm sure you will tell us why they are wrong.

    No they don't. This is an Irish forum and we all know here that Ireland is not at all free or independent in making it's own decisions


  • #34
    bmc58
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭bmc58


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    The EU are a disgrace, if it wasnt for them stalling, the Brits would be gone now and another nail would be in the EU's coffin. Roll on Oct 31's here's hoping for a hard Brexit, screw the border, the EU must crumble quicky at any cost.

    The EU are not stalling.They are standing up to the UK bullyboys and Boris is no1 bully.Thanks to the EU the UK and Boris are learning that they can't have their cake and eat it.Well done to the EU,Britania doesn't rule the waves anymore.


  • #35
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    end of the road wrote: »
    so basically, what they already have and have always had.





    the fact that every state within the EU is independent, free and Sovereign says otherwise.

    Were they all these things in 1974, 1984, 1994, 2004, 2019? What about 2025? Are you seriously saying nothing has changed?


  • #36
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    bmc58 wrote: »
    The EU are not stalling.They are standing up to the UK bullyboys and Boris is no1 bully.Thanks to the EU the UK and Boris are learning that they can't have their cake and eat it.Well done to the EU,Britania doesn't rule the waves anymore.

    Needed to save this beaut.

    EU have been in a figure four leg lock two months, and Boris is just getting started.


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  • #37
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    bmc58 wrote: »
    The EU are not stalling.They are standing up to the UK bullyboys and Boris is no1 bully.Thanks to the EU the UK and Boris are learning that they can't have their cake and eat it.Well done to the EU,Britania doesn't rule the waves anymore.


    That quote is months old, they are not stalling any more. It is done :confused:


  • #38
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    cryptocurrency wrote:
    No they don't. This is an Irish forum and we all know here that Ireland is not at all free or independent in making it's own decisions

    If most of us think as you do, we will see a surge in support for anti- EU candidates on February 8.

    You could run for office on that platform and see how you get on.


  • #39
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,381 ✭[Deleted User]


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    That quote is months old, they are not stalling any more. It is done :confused:

    Do you still believe the EU must fall, whatever the cost may be to the UK?


  • #40
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    cryptocurrency wrote:
    Were they all these things in 1974, 1984, 1994, 2004, 2019? What about 2025? Are you seriously saying nothing has changed?


    Well in 1944 some of them were blowing the crap out of each other so that has changed anyway.

    In 2025 at least 27 of them will be cooperating even closer, to the continued betterment of their citizens.


  • #41
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Ads by Google wrote: »
    Do you still believe the EU must fall, whatever the cost may be to the UK?


    Well I never said the cost must be shouldered by the UK only, even the quote you gave doesn't say that.. But yes the EU must fall and it is falling thankfully.


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  • #42
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    First Up wrote: »
    Well in 1944 some of them were blowing the crap out of each other so that has changed anyway.

    In 2025 at least 27 of them will be cooperating even closer, to the continued betterment of their citizens.

    Some, the powers were at it and the rest were caught in the corss fire. 2020 you have Poland, Italy who will not be dictated to by Germany or France. The other nations are just a side show.

    It is not gonna end well and the UK would be wise to keep allies in Warsaw, Washington, Rome central for when this goes off.


  • #43
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,981 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    No they don't. This is an Irish forum and we all know here that Ireland is not at all free or independent in making it's own decisions


    well no, we don't all know this because it's not the case. ireland makes decisions of it's own every single day, free of the EU.

    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Were they all these things in 1974, 1984, 1994, 2004, 2019? What about 2025? Are you seriously saying nothing has changed?


    yes, they were and are all of these things in the years you mention.
    all that has really changed is standardisation on certain matters between countries to allow free, open trade with as little cost as possible to users and businesses.

    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Needed to save this beaut.

    EU have been in a figure four leg lock two months, and Boris is just getting started.


    britain is the one who successively stalled.

    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Some, the powers were at it and the rest were caught in the corss fire. 2020 you have Poland, Italy who will not be dictated to by Germany or France. The other nations are just a side show.

    It is not gonna end well and the UK would be wise to keep allies in Warsaw, Washington, Rome central for when this goes off.


    just as well italy and poland aren't being dictated to by germany and france, and never have been.

    shut down alcohol action ireland now! end MUP today!



  • #44
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Tis funny how the Eu after losing the UK suddenly need to tool up with their Army .

    The next Leaver may have to take on this Eu Army to get their Freedom.

    The UK has gotten out just in time .


  • #45
    PeadarCo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭PeadarCo


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Needed to save this beaut.

    EU have been in a figure four leg lock two months, and Boris is just getting started.

    Honestly this is the funniest Brexit post on boards that I've seen. The EU is in complete control.

    If Boris is only getting started God help the UK in negotiations. The Brexit deal the UK has is worse than May's deal. NI is now under a separate customs arrangement to the UK or to put in another way the UK has lost partial control of its territory. At this rate he'll agree to make the UK a de facto colony of the EU with a Brino deal.

    In statements over the last week the UK hasn't had a clue if it wants to stay aligned with EU rules or diverge. The exact position really depends on which of the many contradictory statements you believe.

    The UK has no idea of what trade talks it's prioritising. One minute it's the US, next day its Australia next day its the EU. Next week it'll be someone else.

    The EU have come and told the UK it will get a very limited trade deal. This is not an organisation that's in any panic. The EU won't start talks until March. Again an organisation that's not too worried about the UK.

    This is primarily due Boris's decision to rule out getting an extension to the transition period. So Boris now has two options take a very hard Brexit deal or agree to adopt all EU regulations and standards or in another word Brino.


  • #46
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    end of the road wrote: »
    well no, we don't all know this because it's not the case. ireland makes decisions of it's own every single day, free of the EU.





    yes, they were and are all of these things in the years you mention.
    all that has really changed is standardisation on certain matters between countries to allow free, open trade with as little cost as possible to users and businesses.





    britain is the one who successively stalled.





    just as well italy and poland aren't being dictated to by germany and france, and never have been.

    Hope you don't buy all you say.

    The Irish believe anything, we are very needy as a nation and deeply insecure. We support the EU blindly like the local GAA team just because we are in it. It will change the other way drastically if we left.

    THe EU Economy has stalled and has been a very long while, which is why the UK left to find where the action was at. Projections including the IMF has the UK as Europes biggest economy in years to come.


  • #47
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,381 ✭[Deleted User]


    blinding wrote: »
    Tis funny how the Eu after losing the UK suddenly need to tool up with their Army .

    The next Leaver may have to take on this Eu Army to get their Freedom.

    The UK has gotten out just in time .

    Do you reckon your hatred of the EU is less than, on par, or greater than, our appreciation of EU membership despite its drawbacks?


  • #48
    KildareP
    Registered Users Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭KildareP


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    The Irish believe anything, we are very needy as a nation and deeply insecure. We support the EU blindly like the local GAA team just because we are in it. It will change the other way drastically if we left. .

    Which is why we rejected two referendums, I suppose?

    Why we are party to a court case with Apple over a tax bill?

    Why we have a low corporation tax?

    I see plenty of blind faith - just not what to you refer.


  • #49
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    PeadarCo wrote: »
    Honestly this is the funniest Brexit post on boards that I've seen. The EU is in complete control.

    If Boris is only getting started God help the UK in negotiations. The Brexit deal the UK has is worse than May's deal. NI is now under a separate customs arrangement to the UK or to put in another way the UK has lost partial control of its territory. At this rate he'll agree to make the UK a de facto colony of the EU with a Brino deal.

    In statements over the last week the UK hasn't had a clue if it wants to stay aligned with EU rules or diverge. The exact position really depends on which of the many contradictory statements you believe.

    The UK has no idea of what trade talks it's prioritising. One minute it's the US, next day its Australia next day its the EU. Next week it'll be someone else.

    The EU have come and told the UK it will get a very limited trade deal. This is not an organisation that's in any panic. The EU won't start talks until March. Again an organisation that's not too worried about the UK.

    This is primarily due Boris's decision to rule out getting an extension to the transition period. So Boris now has two options take a very hard Brexit deal or agree to adopt all EU regulations and standards or in another word Brino.

    You are just regurgitating paper headlines. This administation has been in less then 2 months and he has already kicked the EU around...it will get much worse for them but I'm sure the usual politics will have them all agreeing on the stage.

    UK will be just fine, and it will be out of the CU,SM and the power of the ECJ..there is no other way to explain that other then an outright humiliation of the EU.

    Will the EU be in recession as it watchs the UK be ok? will the remainers focus on some nonsense figures from some guardian journo saying the economy would be 0.0000324522145% bigger if it had stayed and roundly circulated by remainers as proof they were right (while ignoring the numbers and the sh**sh*w taking place in these european states) ...you bet they will.


  • #50
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    KildareP wrote: »
    Which is why we rejected two referendums, I suppose?

    Why we are party to a court case with Apple over a tax bill?

    Why we have a low corporation tax?

    I see plenty of blind faith - just not what to you refer.

    I can't believe you mentioned the referendums, we should be deeply ashamed about them being ignored.

    Tax, will turn on the news, it's coming to an end, it's the hottest topic and Ireland is in the cross hairs.

    By the way, where is that apple money?


  • #51
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    blinding wrote: »
    Tis funny how the Eu after losing the UK suddenly need to tool up with their Army .

    The next Leaver may have to take on this Eu Army to get their Freedom.

    The UK has gotten out just in time .

    The EU talking up and army is comedy gold. They may try but never will have an army of note.

    The UK and it's allies wouldn't have to worry about any EU army ever, it will never ben allowed to be a threat in capacity.


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  • #52
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,981 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    blinding wrote: »
    Tis funny how the Eu after losing the UK suddenly need to tool up with their Army .

    The next Leaver may have to take on this Eu Army to get their Freedom.

    The UK has gotten out just in time .

    there is no EU army. it was an idea put forward but has got no further then being an idea. it will require all members to vote for it, which may not happen, and which probably won't happen.
    britain's military have been working with all other EU militaries, which themselves have been working with each other, for years if not decades.
    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Hope you don't buy all you say.

    The Irish believe anything, we are very needy as a nation and deeply insecure. We support the EU blindly like the local GAA team just because we are in it. It will change the other way drastically if we left.

    THe EU Economy has stalled and has been a very long while, which is why the UK left to find where the action was at. Projections including the IMF has the UK as Europes biggest economy in years to come.

    ireland supports the EU because the benefits of it are already there to see. most if not all of our infrastructure such as motor ways were funded either in full or part by the EU.
    it is brexit supporters who believe everything and anything in my experience.
    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    You are just regurgitating paper headlines. This administation has been in less then 2 months and he has already kicked the EU around...it will get much worse for them but I'm sure the usual politics will have them all agreeing on the stage.

    UK will be just fine, and it will be out of the CU,SM and the power of the ECJ..there is no other way to explain that other then an outright humiliation of the EU.

    Will the EU be in recession as it watchs the UK be ok? will the remainers focus on some nonsense figures from some guardian journo saying the economy would be 0.0000324522145% bigger if it had stayed and roundly circulated by remainers as proof they were right (while ignoring the numbers and the sh**sh*w taking place in these european states) ...you bet they will.

    more bluster not backed up by reality, i'm afraid. the EU is the one in control, it is the one who holds all the cards. britain is the faultering nation with nothing to offer that couldn't be got within the rest of the european union, or if needs be, moved to another european member from britain.


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    The EU talking up and army is comedy gold. They may try but never will have an army of note.

    The UK and it's allies wouldn't have to worry about any EU army ever, it will never ben allowed to be a threat in capacity.


    in the event an EU army did happen, britain will be able to do nothing about it.
    it can't even build ships to take it's aircraft or god sake.

    shut down alcohol action ireland now! end MUP today!



  • #53
    PeadarCo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭PeadarCo


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    You are just regurgitating paper headlines. This administation has been in less then 2 months and he has already kicked the EU around...it will get much worse for them but I'm sure the usual politics will have them all agreeing on the stage.

    UK will be just fine, and it will be out of the CU,SM and the power of the ECJ..there is no other way to explain that other then an outright humiliation of the EU.

    Will the EU be in recession as it watchs the UK be ok? will the remainers focus on some nonsense figures from some guardian journo saying the economy would be 0.0000324522145% bigger if it had stayed and roundly circulated by remainers as proof they were right (while ignoring the numbers and the sh**sh*w taking place in these european states) ...you bet they will.

    If the UK would be just fine without the EU why has it taken the UK 3 years to leave?

    The UK is completely confused and that's not just newspaper headlines it's words coming out of UK government ministers mouths including BJs.

    You though point out how great is for the Boris to be the UKs PM from the EUs point of view. Given his fan base ignores pretty much everything he can get away with a huge amount. Or put it another way you are looking at a politician that could potentially get a BRINO style trade agreement accepted by hard Brexiters because he is Boris. The withdrawal agreement is a case in point. It worse than May's deal but you as an example don't care. It appears if Boris says its good it has to be good.

    Remember the EU has been in control since the minute the vote was announced and the economic calculus doesn't change with Boris in charge. However the political situation has changed. If Boris keeps doing what he has been doing he'll do a lot of huffing and puffing to appease his base and then agree to a BRINO style deal and then declare victory. And since it's Boris says it's a victory it has to be one regardless of the detail. While this might sound optimistic it's exactly what happened with the withdrawal agreement.


  • #54
    KildareP
    Registered Users Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭KildareP


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    I can't believe you mentioned the referendums, we should be deeply ashamed about them being ignored.

    Tax, will turn on the news, it's coming to an end, it's the hottest topic and Ireland is in the cross hairs.

    By the way, where is that apple money?
    I mentioned it as it contradicts your point.

    But then, having engaged with you before, you don’t seem to have a solid point, just a hellbent desire to labour that
    EU = bad, UK = good.
    EU = doomed, UK = bound for overwhelming success.

    But you offer no substance, no evidence, no credible base to your posts. Ever.

    And when called out on something you conveniently skip past only to re-make the same claim several pages later.


  • #55
    fash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭fash


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Polls? There was an election in 2017 where all the main parties said they would respect the vote, they didn't and they were wiped out for it in 2019.

    Polls, give me strength
    What are you talking about?! The UK is a "democracy" in name only - a system perverted and distorted by its antiquated first past the post system so that minorities rule the place. The Tories barely got 40% of the vote (similar to brexiter votes)- yet are able to ignore the will of the people (as the brexiters do). Again why do you hate democracy so much? What should democrats do with people like you who hate democracy so much?


  • #56
    fash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭fash


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    You are just regurgitating paper headlines. This administation has been in less then 2 months and he has already kicked the EU around...it will get much worse for them but I'm sure the usual politics will have them all agreeing on the stage.
    .
    Literally the first thing he did was collapse to his knees and start sucking - he literally cut the UK in two at the EU's demand - and gave the EU everything it asked for. If you think that was "kicking the EU around", I'd hate to imagine what has happened to you in your life.


    .
    UK will be just fine, and it will be out of the CU,SM and the power of the ECJ..there is no other way to explain that other then an outright humiliation of the EU.
    It is literally doing whatever the EU wants without any input for the next 11-23 months at least - and NI has been permanently and unconditionally surrendered to the power of the ECJ and CU/SM. Again, what has happened to you to in your life that you think of that as a "victory" - did it involve some grown ups? Some fellow class mates?
    Will the EU be in recession as it watchs the UK be ok? will the remainers focus on some nonsense figures from some guardian journo saying the economy would be 0.0000324522145% bigger if it had stayed and roundly circulated by remainers as proof they were right (while ignoring the numbers and the sh**sh*w taking place in these european states) ...you bet they will.
    it's interesting that you have to ridicule the extent of the job losses and economic losses caused by brexit by a factor of over 300 to feel good about it. Wasn't brexit supposed to bring economic benefits? Where are they now?


  • #57
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Haven't posted this in a while
    https://interactive.news.sky.com/2017/brexit-countdown/


    Less than a week until

    tenor.png


  • #58
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users Posts: 4,885 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    fash wrote: »
    it's interesting that you have to ridicule the extent of the job losses and economic losses caused by brexit by a factor of over 300 to feel good about it. Wasn't brexit supposed to bring economic benefits? Where are they now?

    It's also important to note that Brexit has not happened yet.

    When borders close and we have queues of trucks at the tunnel and ports, then we'll see the true effects.


  • #59
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    biko wrote: »
    Haven't posted this in a while
    https://interactive.news.sky.com/2017/brexit-countdown/


    Less than a week until

    tenor.png

    Less than a year until...


  • #60
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Less than a year until...
    Donald is Back Again !


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  • #61
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users Posts: 4,885 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Less than a year until...

    ...they ask for an extension.


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