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Landlord packed our stuff up and threw it out

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    #362
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    ted1 wrote: »
    So you are for then evicting tenants ?

    Who says it’s unsustainable? That’s a big jump.

    There's too many landlords in the markets who seem to have highly unrealistic expectations from their business. A business model should take into consideration realistic profits and overheads, not how much you owe for inheritance tax. These aren't costs relating to the business, they're your own personal costs.

    In this case the landlord raised the rent by 400%. Let's say that was due to increased taxes or whatever. Well then the LL based his business practice on personal needs.

    Many LLs seem to see their personal needs as a justification to charge anything or legitimise any action. Imagine any small business owner charging 400% more for the use of an asset and justifying it using an expense related to paying some inheritance tax!

    In this case it seems the LL has to charge a lot less rent now and is barely making even.


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    #363
    Gradius
    Registered Users Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Gradius


    pablo128 wrote: »
    Is there no mods on here to cut out all the crap about fantasy hypothetical situations, and get back on topic?

    Some of the people I'm replying to are ludicrous. It's my fault for engaging it, to some extent.

    That said, those few exchanges really show the mentalities of some people. So its probably quite useful as an observation.

    But no need for moderation, I won't be replying again anyway, it's like trying to shed light on a black hole in space, fruitless :p


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    #364
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Mod Note

    Gradius / Claw Hammer, do not post on this thread again

    pablo128, if you have an issue with a post, report it. Don't whinge about it on thread.

    Do not reply to this post.


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    #365
    curious minds
    Registered Users Posts: 26 ✭curious minds


    I rented for 10 years ...some properties were not great at all, I never dared not pay the rent,

    Because when you enter into a contract and you break the agreement to pay rent in full at the right time ....yes the LL will be annoyed,

    You will take the LL to the RTB for illegal eviction and you will be awarded 20K .....100% ,
    Great times and a great payoff in the face of all of us losers who pay rent religiously in full and on time Covid or not.

    Be delighted! you will be awarded 20K for taking on a lease and breaking it.

    The only downside I can see is that your name might come up on the RTB disputes page and no one will rent to you again.

    But all in all a great payoff is coming your way.! Keep up the good work.


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    #366
    sugarman20
    Registered Users Posts: 249 ✭✭sugarman20


    curious minds wrote: »
    I rented for 10 years ...some properties were not great at all, I never dared not pay the rent,

    Because when you enter into a contract and you break the agreement to pay rent in full at the right time ....yes the LL will be annoyed,

    You will take the LL to the RTB for illegal eviction and you will be awarded 20K .....100% ,
    Great times and a great payoff in the face of all of us losers who pay rent religiously in full and on time Covid or not.

    Be delighted! you will be awarded 20K for taking on a lease and breaking it.

    The only downside I can see is that your name might come up on the RTB disputes page and no one will rent to you again.

    But all in all a great payoff is coming your way.! Keep up the good work.

    You sound like a really bitter person. Go out and get some sunshine.


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    #367
    LeineGlas
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭LeineGlas


    curious minds wrote: »
    I rented for 10 years ...some properties were not great at all, I never dared not pay the rent,

    Because when you enter into a contract and you break the agreement to pay rent in full at the right time ....yes the LL will be annoyed,

    You will take the LL to the RTB for illegal eviction and you will be awarded 20K .....100% ,
    Great times and a great payoff in the face of all of us losers who pay rent religiously in full and on time Covid or not.

    Be delighted! you will be awarded 20K for taking on a lease and breaking it.

    The only downside I can see is that your name might come up on the RTB disputes page and no one will rent to you again.

    But all in all a great payoff is coming your way.! Keep up the good work.

    You're saying landlords should refuse to rent with a tenant who had a dispute with a previous landlord?

    Cool.


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    curious minds
    Registered Users Posts: 26 ✭curious minds


    sugarman20 wrote: »
    You sound like a really bitter person. Go out and get some sunshine.

    :p the way things 'sound' and the ways things actually are.....

    Covid 19 legislation:

    https://onestopshop.rtb.ie/covid-19-emergency-legislation-for-rental-sector/


    'Please be aware that carrying out an illegal eviction, which includes prohibiting access to the property or making the property uninhabitable by disconnecting services, can result in damages of up to €20,000 being awarded to the tenant. The RTB can seek an injunction from the Courts to reinstate the tenant and will continue to prioritise these cases during the emergency period.'


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    #369
    curious minds
    Registered Users Posts: 26 ✭curious minds


    LeineGlas wrote: »
    You're saying landlords should refuse to rent with a tenant who had a dispute with a previous landlord?

    Cool.


    jus the way a bank searches to see if you have defaulted on your loan previously
    ..... an estate agent/landlord might do a quick search and see the name on the dispute and 'rent arrears' comes up next to your name...not a good look.
    I'm not saying LL should refuse to rent to someone...but with hundreds of applicants per add.....they decide for themselves.


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    #370
    Sarn
    Registered Users Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭Sarn


    curious minds wrote: »
    jus the way a bank searches to see if you have defaulted on your loan previously
    ..... an estate agent/landlord might do a quick search and see the name on the dispute and 'rent arrears' comes up next to your name...not a good look.

    I don’t think that they would be able to publish a reference to ‘rent arrears’ given that no formal notice of arrears was served (based on available information).


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    #371
    curious minds
    Registered Users Posts: 26 ✭curious minds


    Sarn wrote: »
    I don’t think that they would be able to publish a reference to ‘rent arrears’ given that no formal notice of arrears was served (based on available information).

    ...i think the way it works ...tenant starts a dispute against LL for illegal eviction...and in the dispute LL mentions rent arrears...so the RTB title in the search is both ...illegal eviction and rent arrears....like in the below search

    https://onestopshop.rtb.ie/search-results/listing/eyJyZXN1bHRfcGFnZSI6InNlYXJjaC1yZXN1bHRzXC9saXN0aW5nIiwia2V5d29yZHMiOiJhcnJlYXJzIGlsbGVnYWwiLCJjb2xsZWN0aW9uIjoiYWRqdWRpY2F0aW9uX29yZGVyc3x0cmlidW5hbF9vcmRlcnMifQ


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    #372
    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users Posts: 5,748 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Any update, OP?


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    #373
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    curious minds wrote: »
    ...i think the way it works ...tenant starts a dispute against LL for illegal eviction...and in the dispute LL mentions rent arrears...so the RTB title in the search is both ...illegal eviction and rent arrears....like in the below search

    https://onestopshop.rtb.ie/search-results/listing/eyJyZXN1bHRfcGFnZSI6InNlYXJjaC1yZXN1bHRzXC9saXN0aW5nIiwia2V5d29yZHMiOiJhcnJlYXJzIGlsbGVnYWwiLCJjb2xsZWN0aW9uIjoiYWRqdWRpY2F0aW9uX29yZGVyc3x0cmlidW5hbF9vcmRlcnMifQ

    Is anyone defending someone deliberately withholding rent? Furthermore is anyone arguing against legal eviction for the withholding of rent?

    No, people are arguing against entering the property without permission and illegally evicting someone.


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    #374
    Fol20
    Registered Users Posts: 3,623 ✭✭✭Fol20


    LeineGlas wrote: »
    You're saying landlords should refuse to rent with a tenant who had a dispute with a previous landlord?

    Cool.

    I would be saying that if I have a dozen perfectly good tenants. Anything that helps second guess one makes it easy for me to move on. And yes. I would more than likely not even look at a tenant with that as part of their history even if he was the only potential tenant at that moment. The place is better left idol instead of dealing with a bad tenant especially if they receive an award of 20k


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    #375
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    There's too many landlords in the markets who seem to have highly unrealistic expectations from their business. A business model should take into consideration realistic profits and overheads, not how much you owe for inheritance tax. These aren't costs relating to the business, they're your own personal costs.

    In this case the landlord raised the rent by 400%. Let's say that was due to increased taxes or whatever. Well then the LL based his business practice on personal needs.

    Many LLs seem to see their personal needs as a justification to charge anything or legitimise any action. Imagine any small business owner charging 400% more for the use of an asset and justifying it using an expense related to paying some inheritance tax!

    In this case it seems the LL has to charge a lot less rent now and is barely making even.

    You aren’t really thinking this through are you? The inheritance tax bill is as much a cost to the business as if they bought the property for renting. If you buy a property to rent you damn well want to make sure to cover the cost of it (and get profit) from the rent. If you inherit it’s no different part of the cost of your business is paying the tax bill and you should aim to pay it from the rental business.


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