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Luke Kelly statue vandalised

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    #422
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users Posts: 10,526 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    I would assume that the perpetrator has, now, had a “green light” put on him.

    The tide is turning…



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    #423
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    I would assume that the perpetrator has, now, had a “green light” put on him.

    What does that mean, dude? I thought I had heard most of the jackeen lingo at this stage having lived here so long and being a visitor to bookie shops in the Northside.


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    #424
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users Posts: 10,526 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    What does that mean, dude? I thought I had heard most of the jackeen lingo at this stage having lived here so long and being a visitor to bookie shops in the Northside.

    From what I gather, it’s a “gang term” for when they want to “put a hit” on someone.

    And, I mean, if they’re “throwing them out” at, mild mannered, young lads from Tipp for simply being in the vicinity, you’d have to say that this would be much more worthy.

    If a little “excessive”.

    The tide is turning…



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    #425
    I Am Nobody
    Closed Accounts Posts: 726 ✭✭✭I Am Nobody


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    I would assume that the perpetrator has, now, had a “green light” put on him.

    Putting hits on vandals now?Taking Tidy Towns to a whole new level!


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    #426
    wench
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    I Am Nobody wrote: »
    Putting hits on vandals now?Taking Tidy Towns to a whole new level!
    For the greater good...


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    #427
    Pawwed Rig
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    For those who were advocating for horses in council estates

    https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2020/0721/1154730-animal-cruelty/


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    #428
    Hangdogroad
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    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    What does that mean, dude? I thought I had heard most of the jackeen lingo at this stage having lived here so long and being a visitor to bookie shops in the Northside.

    Why do you adress everyone on here as "dude"?


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    #429
    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users Posts: 5,748 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    An update on the story
    https://www.thejournal.ie/extra-charge-man-attack-luke-kelly-statue-5156780-Jul2020/
    Obviously not a Dubliners fan.


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    #430
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users Posts: 73,382 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Dunne was remanded on bail in his own bond of €300 but did not have to lodge cash after the judge noted he was on social welfare and living in supported accommodation.

    That’ll teach him.


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    #431
    JupiterKid
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    So the vandal is 47 years of age. That is just pathetic.

    If he was a little scrote of 15 or 16, that just might be understandable, but this middle-aged man is two years older than me.


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    #432
    Pawwed Rig
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    So the vandal is 47 years of age. That is just pathetic.

    He had a hard upbringing though


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    #433
    whisky_galore
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    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    He had a hard upbringing though

    Mental issues more like it.


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    #434
    [Deleted User]
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Mental issues more like it.

    Possible in fairness. It's unlikely to be a prank.

    My workplace is in that vicinity and you see a sizeable number of guys around the bus station and Connolly who definitely aren't in the best shape (not drugs related).


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    #435
    batman75
    Registered Users Posts: 560 ✭✭✭batman75


    Until actions have serious consequences........

    Personally he should be made to pay for the repair of the statue. Dock his dole an amount each week until the state recoups the cost of the repair. If it goes to the point of his state pension dock that too. Lets stop this slap on the wrist nonsense from the courts.


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    #436
    Pawwed Rig
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    batman75 wrote: »
    Personally he should be made to pay for the repair of the statue. Dock his dole an amount each week until the state recoups the cost of the repair. If it goes to the point of his state pension dock that too. Lets stop this slap on the wrist nonsense from the courts.

    Never gonna happen. It would mean that wealthy people could vandalised whatever they wanted as long as they could afford to pay for it whereas poor people would have a harsher punishment. A better sentence would be community service. Take time of people instead of cash. Let him clean graffiti from train stations and bus stops.


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    #437
    [Deleted User]
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    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    Never gonna happen. It would mean that wealthy people could vandalised whatever they wanted as long as they could afford to pay for it whereas poor people would have a harsher punishment.
    It's a stupid and unfair system alright, but it's been the law for nearly 30 years.

    S.6 Criminal Justice Act 1993
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1993/act/6/section/6/enacted/en/html#sec6

    You see it pop up in news articles occasionally, when a convicted person is told to pay compensation to avoid jail. An option that isn't available to everyone. You're essentially buying back your liberty.


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    #438
    Man with broke phone
    Registered Users Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Man with broke phone


    Any update on this, was there ever a motive, why Luke Kelly?
    Was it because he put his corduroy britches on in 18 hundred and 41 and went to work upon the railway? It is close to railway tracks and the guy lives close to them too.


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    #439
    septictank
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    When this guy goes back to court in September, and if found guilty, what's he going to get?
    Jail? Most likely suspended sentence, he's well used to it, would do it on his head.
    A fine? good luck with that, been on the dole all his life, or Community service? can't see him taking direction or orders to well, would take more people supervising him to make the job worth their time.
    So what? Just tell him he was a bold boy and don't do it again, he probably won't now he's been caught.
    I'd say he knows this too.


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    I Am Nobody
    Closed Accounts Posts: 726 ✭✭✭I Am Nobody


    A strongly worded speech by the judge will sort him out........maybe?


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    #441
    batman75
    Registered Users Posts: 560 ✭✭✭batman75


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    Never gonna happen. It would mean that wealthy people could vandalised whatever they wanted as long as they could afford to pay for it whereas poor people would have a harsher punishment. A better sentence would be community service. Take time of people instead of cash. Let him clean graffiti from train stations and bus stops.

    The point would be that the guilty pays irrespective of economic circumstances. The state can't have a tailored justice system based on a person's wallet. If a kid had done it have the parents pay for the repair. Otherwise it's those that work who pick up the tab via our taxes.

    From a societal point of view I would be curious as to what prompts someone to vandalise a public piece of art?


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    #442
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    batman75 wrote: »
    From a societal point of view I would be curious as to what prompts someone to vandalise a public piece of art?
    Nearly everyone who has attacked the Mona Lisa, to use the most famous example, had a mental illness. Some people have even shot themselves in frustration with the Mona Lisa, all of them artists. I doubt anyone is frustrated with envy by the Luke Kelly statue, mind you.

    There have been plenty of attacks on Irish artworks down the years which are linked with mental illness. Although there was also one attack, an attack on a Monet in the National Gallery, where some idiot was merely trying to "get back at" the State for some perceived injustice.

    And then, some people just dont like certain artworks for religious reasons or political reasons, or because the art is ugly.

    One poster here, whilst criticising the vandals, pointed out without a shred of irony that if he lived beside the statue, he'd fcuk it in the river.

    Anyway it will be interesting to find out what the motive was here, if any.


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    #443
    Rodney Bathgate
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    I Am Nobody wrote: »
    A strongly worded speech by the judge will sort him out........maybe?

    Seems to have worked in the past.


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    #444
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    http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/xp112-2-scaled.jpg

    This report says the statue was repeatedly vandalized so that security cameras would be turned toward it rather than observing drug dealer comings and goings in the vicinity.


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    #445
    Squeeonline
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/xp112-2-scaled.jpg

    This report says the statue was repeatedly vandalized so that security cameras would be turned toward it rather than observing drug dealer comings and goings in the vicinity.

    We are playing chess but they are playing chequers. It's all in the game.


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    #446
    Beechwoodspark
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    Here’s an idea. Have security cameras that can swivel when required (activity in the area)


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    #447
    Kivaro
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Here’s an idea. Have security cameras that can swivel when required (activity in the area)

    Why can't they put the security cameras inside the statue itself e.g. replace the eyes? Luke would then be all-seeing and all-knowing.


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    #448
    corner of hells
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    Kivaro wrote: »
    Why can't they put the security cameras inside the statue itself e.g. replace the eyes? Luke would then be all-seeing and all-knowing.

    How about connecting it up to 10000v , the resulting electric shock should deter a future vandalism. Save a fortune in dole payments , free legal aid , children's allowance etc.


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    Pawwed Rig
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    batman75 wrote: »
    The point would be that the guilty pays irrespective of economic circumstances. The state can't have a tailored justice system based on a person's wallet. If a kid had done it have the parents pay for the repair. Otherwise it's those that work who pick up the tab via our taxes.


    Where a person claims they cannot afford to pay a fine there is rarely any follow up by the state. The sheriff might call around and be told that they person has no assets and will walk away empty handed. To attempt to jail someone for non payment of fines causes uproar so it is rarely done.

    Equally you would be happy with wealthy D4 lads wrecking whatever they like as long as they pick up the tab afterwards?


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    #450
    McGinniesta
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    What is it about this statue that keeps the skangers coming back?

    He's from the inner city.


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    #451
    Northernlily
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    McGinniesta wrote: »
    What is it about this statue that keeps the skangers coming back?

    He's from the inner city.

    These scrotes have no cultural appreciation. They couldn't give a fook.

    They are getting worse with each generation.


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