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    #5612
    The Nal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,450 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Cyrus wrote: »
    i dont think DD will walk big joe down, it will be more competitive than people think i reckon and DD will be in deep water at some stage but if i was betting id have it on him to win by KO 7th or 8th round.
    selectamatic wrote: »
    Worth noting that the longer the Kevin Johnson fight went on the less likely a Dubois ko victory looked. His power and snap seemed to fade quite a bit.

    Yeah very exciting fight for all the reasons mentioned.


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    #5613
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,584 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The cleaner and neater and more clinical punching from Dubois could see this end very early...

    BUT, if Joyce can take a good shot, he has a good chance to press home and push the pace. He has a good engine....and we will see what Dubois is really made of

    Dubois a deserved favorite, but not near to the level the bookies have him...


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    #5614
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Joyce leaves himself very very open and he’s got busy but slow hands. Jennings caught him in the first round and he was very careful after that. If Dubois catches him early I can’t see him taking it. Getting through the first three rounds wont be easy. He’ll have to do well fighting defensively and I haven’t seen him do that at all yet in his career. If he gets through rounds 1-3 then he’s got a very impressive engine. He’s irked by how the bookies etc all see this and fighting with a bit of needle will do him no harm at all. He’s just got to channel it into the game plan. Gung ho is a bad idea for him. I feel like I’m looking hard to pathways for Joyce to win while those for Dubois look much more obvious. He’s got a job on his hands though. I think this is a much harder match for Dubois than he’s faced so far. That all said he is on the way up. This is still a stepping stone fight to European and world level. In your mid 20s that shouldn’t really bring your character into too much question. IF you’re in your mid 30s a big loss is a huge setback if you’ve got lofty ambitions. I have my doubts as to whether or not Joyce really fancies himself as a potential world champion.


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    #5615
    nacho libre
    Registered Users Posts: 16,637 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Joyce may be slow and plodding, but he has a good engine.

    I think Joyce might surprise a few posters here. I think he will be able to take Dubois's power and force a tko by round 7.


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    #5616
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,520 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    nacho libre wrote: »
    Joyce may be slow and plodding, but he has a good engine.

    I think Joyce might surprise a few posters here. I think he will be able to take Dubois's power and force a tko by round 7.

    Wouldn't surprise me ,
    I do think there is a great unknow in this fight ,
    I expect the above to happen maybe not in 7 but later on ,

    I hope Dubois surprises me and get him out there quickly and in style
    Be great to see another top heavy weight emerge and I think Joyce is to old for that to be the case,


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    #5617
    nacho libre
    Registered Users Posts: 16,637 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Wouldn't surprise me ,
    I do think there is a great unknow in this fight ,
    I expect the above to happen maybe not in 7 but later on ,

    I hope Dubois surprises me and get him out there quickly and in style
    Be great to see another top heavy weight emerge and I think Joyce is to old for that to be the case,

    Yes, i agree it would be good if that happens, but i just have the nagging feeling Dubois is not all he is cracked up to be. We'll soon see!


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    #5618
    NewMan1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭NewMan1982


    I remember thinking David Price and Tom Dallas were on their way to becoming contenders :)

    It’s always great to watch those fights live were the wheels fall off.


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    #5619
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,499 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Well squinn2912 mentioned the most important thing I think.
    You'll know early in this fight if Joyce has any chance and it's about him keeping the gloves up.
    He leaves himself open and Dubois will put his lights out quickly if he isn't protecting himself.
    I think if he keeps out of trouble for a few rounds that he has a serious chance if Dubois tires.


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    #5620
    Morrison J
    Registered Users Posts: 3,849 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Well squinn2912 mentioned the most important thing I think.
    You'll know early in this fight if Joyce has any chance and it's about him keeping the gloves up.
    He leaves himself open and Dubois will put his lights out quickly if he isn't protecting himself.
    I think if he keeps out of trouble for a few rounds that he has a serious chance if Dubois tires.

    Worth noting also that Dubois has a mean left hook to the body and Jennings hurt Joyce bad with a body shot.

    I don't think Joyce has the defensive ability to avoid taking shots early in this. He's just got to prove his durability. I'm not really convinced he's as durable as advertised but we'll see.


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    #5621
    gypsy79
    Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    nacho libre wrote: »
    Yes, i agree it would be good if that happens, but i just have the nagging feeling Dubois is not all he is cracked up to be. We'll soon see!

    Same here. He has the smell of AJ about him in that he may look better than he is


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    #5622
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Some of the points mentioned making good sense to me. I think for Joyce to win he’s going to need to force Dubois to be on the back foot early on. Keep him honest and off balance with a good, quick jab. Defend better, especially to the body. Jennings really did hurt him and another shot may well have taken him out. But they can all be hurt.
    I dont think Joyce should approach things too cautiously. Nathan Gorman did that and he was overwhelmed. I think Joyce beats Gorman.
    Joyce has a big, long reach and a great output even if there’s not much steam in a lot of what he does. I just don’t see how he copes with being significantly slower than Dubois and without the same one punch power or neatness in combos. But Dubois is fairly untested. He needs to get in his face and ask him some questions. There are things he can do.

    As for the wheels come off fights. They are great for generating discussion but I actually hate to see that. The aura gone forever. I love a seesaw fight where one is just about better than the other. It;s a bit like a penalty shoot out. I don’t like to see a team lose because their kicker froze or blasted it over the bar. I like to see positive things. When I’m rooting for a fighter though I do love an impressive ko so there’s clarity of thought for you all!!


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    #5623
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,520 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Its nice when your prediction is on the money Joe with the late stoppage


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    #5624
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Haha yea I think you should be getting more credit for the prediction too. Great performance from Joe. I’m not exactly shocked he won but I didn’t think he’d be as comfortable. He was doing damage from round 1 with a very intelligent jab.

    So I expect Dubois to be inactive until the summer and then he’ll go back to KO collections against some cans. And that’s ok he’s 23 this level was likely too early for him. His team and he didn’t seem to have much of a plan other than to do what they always do. Joyce had a plan for Dubois and that’s what counted.

    So Joyce where does he go next? The Usyk fight is the one he wants. I can see Usyk being in a gimme to wait on aj. A lot of moving parts at the moment. Pulev AJ is a good fight and there are no guarantees although I expect aj to win. Fury hasn’t said much lately other than to cancel his fight next month. Surely Whyte and Povetkin will reschedule soon unless there’s more to the Clovid story with Povetkin, I haven’t heard any more. So if it isn’t Usyk then who does Joyce go for?

    A lot of talk that Yoka wasn’t great on Friday night, I didn’t see it but there’s a potential rematch for Joyce, especially if he wasn’t good.

    If Dubois had won this fight we’d all be thinking Joyce was no good anyway but it was a good win. Now Joyce has won we’re full of new questions. Next match up for him needs to be a step up, at 35 if he’s going to come into world contention then he needs to get moving. I’d like to see him in a fight with the top guys. No one gets an easy night with him.


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    #5625
    OmegaGene
    Registered Users Posts: 8,626 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    The general consensus is looking like
    Aj beats pulev and drops a belt to fight fury
    Usyk v Joyce duke it out for the belt

    Too many variables really to be sure what’s going to happen

    The internet isn’t for everyone



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    #5626
    Cyrus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,670 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    OmegaGene wrote: »
    The general consensus is looking like
    Aj beats pulev and drops a belt to fight fury
    Usyk v Joyce duke it out for the belt

    Too many variables really to be sure what’s going to happen

    You’d imagine usyk will have too much speed for joe but who knows

    I like the juggernaut !


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    #5627
    Cyrus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,670 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    Haha yea I think you should be getting more credit for the prediction too. Great performance from Joe. I’m not exactly shocked he won but I didn’t think he’d be as comfortable. He was doing damage from round 1 with a very intelligent jab.

    So I expect Dubois to be inactive until the summer and then he’ll go back to KO collections against some cans. And that’s ok he’s 23 this level was likely too early for him. His team and he didn’t seem to have much of a plan other than to do what they always do. Joyce had a plan for Dubois and that’s what counted.

    So Joyce where does he go next? The Usyk fight is the one he wants. I can see Usyk being in a gimme to wait on aj. A lot of moving parts at the moment. Pulev AJ is a good fight and there are no guarantees although I expect aj to win. Fury hasn’t said much lately other than to cancel his fight next month. Surely Whyte and Povetkin will reschedule soon unless there’s more to the Clovid story with Povetkin, I haven’t heard any more. So if it isn’t Usyk then who does Joyce go for?

    A lot of talk that Yoka wasn’t great on Friday night, I didn’t see it but there’s a potential rematch for Joyce, especially if he wasn’t good.

    If Dubois had won this fight we’d all be thinking Joyce was no good anyway but it was a good win. Now Joyce has won we’re full of new questions. Next match up for him needs to be a step up, at 35 if he’s going to come into world contention then he needs to get moving. I’d like to see him in a fight with the top guys. No one gets an easy night with him.

    It’s a good thing it didn’t goto the judges one of them had Dubois 8/1 up starting the 10th

    Joyce was controlling the fight from the 7th on imo and it was pretty even up to then


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    #5628
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,925 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    Cyrus wrote: »
    It’s a good thing it didn’t goto the judges one of them had Dubois 8/1 up starting the 10th

    Joyce was controlling the fight from the 7th on imo and it was pretty even up to then

    Where are you getting that?

    The scores were 7-2 DDD, 5-4 DDD and 7-3 Joyce

    https://boxrec.com/en/event/818449/2565030


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    #5629
    Cyrus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,670 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Where are you getting that?

    The scores were 7-2 DDD, 5-4 DDD and 7-3 Joyce

    https://boxrec.com/en/event/818449/2565030

    Sorry must have been mistaken but the wide ddd card looked off imo


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    #5630
    OmegaGene
    Registered Users Posts: 8,626 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    Cyrus wrote: »
    You’d imagine usyk will have too much speed for joe but who knows

    I like the juggernaut !

    Yes I think usyk will be way too fast for him but it only take a flurry of clatters and it’s all over

    The internet isn’t for everyone



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    #5631
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,584 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    OmegaGene wrote: »
    Yes I think usyk will be way too fast for him but it only take a flurry of clatters and it’s all over

    Not sure Joe lands them, and if he does, Usyk could take them. Joe is not a big hitter.


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    #5632
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,925 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    Cyrus wrote: »
    Sorry must have been mistaken but the wide ddd card looked off imo

    One Judge gave DDD all of the first 6 and another Gave Joyce the 1st but DDD the next 5,
    Those first 6 rounds were very tight to be fair

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    #5633
    Cyrus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,670 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    normanoffside wrote: »
    One Judge gave DDD all of the first 6 and another Gave Joyce the 1st but DDD the next 5,
    Those first 6 rounds were very tight to be fair

    En9Irw0XUAAdc3S.jpg

    They were but to score them all to DDD wasn’t right imo especially as he was marking up early joe was clearly getting to him constantly with the jab whereas DDD was fighting in flurries


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    #5634
    Cyrus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,670 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Anyone else disappointed with bunceys interview ?

    It was more about Dubois losing than Joyce winning


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    #5635
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,584 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Cyrus wrote: »
    Anyone else disappointed with bunceys interview ?

    It was more about Dubois losing than Joyce winning

    Difficult lads to interview. Not much going on

    But, the manner of the loss would see the interviewer focus more on this..


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    #5636
    Cyrus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,670 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    walshb wrote: »
    Difficult lads to interview. Not much going on

    But, the manner of the loss would see the interviewer focus more on this..

    Dubois is very bad , joe ain’t great but he is better , but they kept cutting him off .

    I’m sure he won’t care but it was a bit disrespectful imo .


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    #5637
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Ive long given up expecting anything from Steve Bunce. Stealing a living. I think his best attribute is his accent? Parasite.

    I thought more should have been made of Joyce having been a 3/1 underdog. He bossed that fight. Surprised by the scorecards. He was in control almost throughout. Not a scratch on him and Dubois eye was a mess and all around the nose area well beat up. Lips looked puffed too and he was breathing very heavily. Joe could still be fighting. He operates in a difficult 3rd gear and opponents find it very hard to get to him. This was a massive win for him and as I say he looked in charge most of the time.

    Maybe less made of it since the most likely next fight is Usyk. He’s got a small pool of fighters that he can fight next. Either Usyk non title or fight for a belt. I wouldn’t be confident in saying who wins Joyce Usyk. I think he’d have a great contest with Whyte or Chisora and likely beat both. I think the big 3 all stop him.


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    #5638
    weemcd
    Registered Users Posts: 6,411 ✭✭✭weemcd


    Cyrus wrote: »
    Anyone else disappointed with bunceys interview ?

    It was more about Dubois losing than Joyce winning

    I'm disappointed every time I hear the sound of Steve Bunce's voice. I absolutely cannot have him.


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    #5639
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,520 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I think Joes a very smart fella when it comes to his boxing style,
    He uses a style that gets 100% oit of the abilities he has,
    He tries nothing flashy or even creative, he just keeps his length and hit you with 20-30% of his power as often as he can and hopes to just wear you down,

    DDD tried to bait him into a fire fight and few tomes but Joe kept his discipline and stuck to the game plan amd DDD just had no answer to it

    The manner of the defeat was pretty bad for DDD he basically gave up and ran put of ideas

    Joe is no world beater but hes good at the basics, big, fit and tough as old boots


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    #5640
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    I think Joes a very smart fella when it comes to his boxing style,
    He uses a style that gets 100% oit of the abilities he has,
    He tries nothing flashy or even creative, he just keeps his length and hit you with 20-30% of his power as often as he can and hopes to just wear you down,

    DDD tried to bait him into a fire fight and few tomes but Joe kept his discipline and stuck to the game plan amd DDD just had no answer to it

    The manner of the defeat was pretty bad for DDD he basically gave up and ran put of ideas

    Joe is no world beater but hes good at the basics, big, fit and tough as old boots

    Yea I think you make a good point as always. There;s nothing flashy or exciting about JJ but he’s a nightmare to fight. The Usyk fight could be available in the next 6 months but if that gets put on the back burner then it will be because Usyk is having the AJ or Fury fight. Joe may well get a crack at Fury if AJ decided to take on Usyk (better chance of prolonging his reign) or if Pulev caused an injury (can see him beating aj). So where would Joyce go? I could see him fight Yoka he’s bound to fancy that at some stage.


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    #5641
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,520 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    Yea I think you make a good point as always. There;s nothing flashy or exciting about JJ but he’s a nightmare to fight. The Usyk fight could be available in the next 6 months but if that gets put on the back burner then it will be because Usyk is having the AJ or Fury fight. Joe may well get a crack at Fury if AJ decided to take on Usyk (better chance of prolonging his reign) or if Pulev caused an injury (can see him beating aj). So where would Joyce go? I could see him fight Yoka he’s bound to fancy that at some stage.

    Hes very boring but he does the basics very well
    I think because he became a pro so late in life he doesnt need to play upto his ego or try be something he is not he is happy just to do what he has to do to win,

    Theres lots of good fights for him now, Whyte,Uysk, AVP, even Wilder, i could see ways he could ends up in the ring with any of then,
    In saying that he may not beat any of them


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