Heavyweight Boxing

Blanco100 · 22-10-2020 8:56pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I think Fury is going to make AJ look silly ,
Just like he did Wlad the veteran who froze and just like he did Wilder,

He's just to good at the art of boxing , to clever and to slick Aj's to robotic and stiff to get to him

Fury is just at home in there ,he'll will find a way to win like he does,

You seen AJ V Ruiz 2 he was scared to death and falling over himself every time Ruiz came near him, Stiff and panicking that he will get hit , if Ruiz was any where near the shape of the first fight he could have ko'd him again ,

To me one of them is a born boxer/fighter the other is highly tuned athlete who boxes,

In fairness Fury never made Wlad look silly. Thats stretching it. Fight was an absolute stinker.

walshb · 22-10-2020 9:09pm

Blanco100 wrote: »

In fairness Fury never made Wlad look silly. Thats stretching it. Fight was an absolute stinker.

Yep..

I cannot get my head around d anyone suggesting either man made the other look silly..

Both looked as clumsy and inept and silly as each other..

Horrible spectacle..

And if AJ attempts to fight as cowardly and timid as Wlad did, then I hope he gets humiliated!!!

yourdeadwright · 23-10-2020 12:45pm

Blanco100 wrote: »

In fairness Fury never made Wlad look silly. Thats stretching it. Fight was an absolute stinker.

So your telling Wald a absolute veteran , a 10 year champion with a devastating right hand didn't look extremely silly standing there unable to let his hands go , unable to put any kind of attack together while Fury the complete under dog stole rounds and his title's without receiving a scratch in Wlads back yard,

As you said it was an absolute stinker Wlad looked like a novice and had no answer to what Fury ,

There more than one way to skin a cat , Fury done what he had to WIN and Wlad had no answers ,

walshb · 23-10-2020 1:40pm

Wlad did look like a novice..

But so did Fury..

Both were as bad as each other, regardless of the result and scores...

Cyrus · 23-10-2020 2:13pm

walshb wrote: »

Wlad did look like a novice..

But so did Fury..

Both were as bad as each other, regardless of the result and scores...

ive rewatched the fight several times, thats a massive disservice imo.

walshb · 23-10-2020 2:32pm

Cyrus wrote: »

ive rewatched the fight several times, thats a massive disservice imo.

Ok, so maybe both looked better than novices..

The key here is both: neither man at all shone from what I saw..

And if you really did watch that spectacle several times, I hope it wasn’t too painful to your eyes and head!

Cyrus · 23-10-2020 3:05pm

walshb wrote: »

Ok, so maybe both looked better than novices..

The key here is both: neither man at all shone from what I saw..

And if you really did watch that spectacle several times, I hope it wasn’t too painful to your eyes and head!

the point is that one man was the dominant heavy weight champion of his era, still in his prime, boxing effectively in a home venue,

the other was a huge underdog.

gypsy79 · 23-10-2020 3:08pm

Cyrus wrote: »

ive rewatched the fight several times, thats a massive disservice imo.

100%. It was a defensive masterclass picking his times to snatch round after round. It wasnt even defensive, he never gave Wlad a chance

If Mayweather did it then people would be raving

walshb · 23-10-2020 3:11pm

Cyrus wrote: »

the point is that one man was the dominant heavy weight champion of his era, still in his prime, boxing effectively in a home venue,

the other was a huge underdog.

Not sure what this has to do with anything..

Not sure why this is the point..

Simple: I thought both looked as bad as each other..I don’t need to find an excuse for them both looking as bad as each other. They just performed that way that night..

Do I give Fury a pass for looking poor because he was an underdog? No!

walshb · 23-10-2020 3:12pm

gypsy79 wrote: »

If Mayweather did it then people would be raving

Yes, they would. Not me.

That man has gotten way too much credit for stinking the joint out on defense alone..

Ludicrous!

gypsy79 · 23-10-2020 3:15pm

walshb wrote: »

Yes, they would. Not me.

That man has gotten way too much credit for stinking the joint out on defense alone..

Ludicrous!

Then this should be end of discussion. We will never agree. I didnt love Mayweather but Fury did exactly the same when there was real peril in front of him

While it wasnt exciting to watch, it was a damn impressive fine performance. Possibly better than both his Wilder outings

He has shown now he can win fights many ways, which makes him a great and a very difficult opponent to fight against because predicting what he will do is very tough

Cyrus · 23-10-2020 3:18pm

walshb wrote: »

Not sure what this has to do with anything..

Not sure why this is the point..

Simple: I thought both looked as bad as each other..I don’t need to find an excuse for them both looking as bad as each other. They just performed that way that night..

Do I give Fury a pass for looking poor because he was an underdog? No!

if you arent impressed with someone shutting out the dominant heavyweight champ of his era as a massive underdog fighting away then nothing i can say will sway you.

walshb · 23-10-2020 3:22pm

gypsy79 wrote: »

Then this should be end of discussion. We will never agree. I didnt love Mayweather but Fury did exactly the same when there was real peril in front of him

Real peril?

This is just it: Wlad fought like a fooking windbag the whole night..

Fury deserved the verdict..

Anyone claiming it was remotely close to some masterclass is ridiculous..

Terrible fight. Terrible spectacle.....and neither man looked close to great..

yourdeadwright · 23-10-2020 3:35pm

I could see an arm chair causal fan not liking the fight but Walshb im convoinced your letting your dislike for Fury the person cloud your view of tha fight,

Fighting an unbeaten champion of 10 years in his back yard, one who has a somewhat legendary right hand ,
Why would you go to entertain the fans ??? you go with the plan to win and win by any means possible,

As one of the lads said it was exactly what Floyd does win rounds by any means possible, You don't have to outbox someone or knock them out , Your job is to win more rounds, Fury stole round and done it brilliantly , It was Fury who made sure a fight or technical boxing match did not take place,

I once seen a great interview with Andre Berto talking about how when he fought Floyd it was unlike anything he had ever experienced , It wasn't boxing it was game to win rounds,
He said Floyd would hit him and grab him and tell him in the clinch that's one for me so you need the next one and rinse and repeat and say **** like" Oh only 1 minute left and you need a few shots to catch up " ,

I think Fury pulled something similar off on Wlad that night in Germany,
Wlad did not have a clue how to react as Fury just stole round and made sure a boxing match didn't break out ,

walshb · 23-10-2020 3:53pm

Fury won. Deserved to.

I am hardly alone thinking the spectacle was poor..

Seen several here say similar..and they are not blow-in armchair fans.

You don’t have to like or dislike a boxer to give an honest view of a fight/performance...

All this needs to be removed..

Maybe it’s the other way around? Fury fans unable to call a performance as being poor..

Fair enough, if someone rated it as very good. That’s fine.

I just didn’t see it that particular night..

I have seen Fury perform better; albeit different opponents. I get this..

Cyrus · 23-10-2020 3:58pm

walshb wrote: »

Maybe it’s the other way around? Fury fans unable to call a performance as being poor..

he won the unified heavyweight championship against a dominant champion, you cant look at that fight and leave that context out, its not like it was a tune up against a can.

Morrison J · 23-10-2020 3:59pm

Was Fury who made the fight the bore that it was by completely nullifying Wlad. Did what nobody else before or after him could do and he deserves a huge amount of credit for it. Just because it wasn't nice on the eyes doesn't take away from the effectiveness of the performance. Best win by a heavyweight in the last decade+ by an absolute mile.

Do think overall the narrative around that fight has become a bit distorted though. Great win and fully deserved but pretty sure I had it 116-112 Fury. Lot of difficult rounds to score. Wasn't the one-sided masterclass that some people let on it was.

walshb · 23-10-2020 4:02pm

Nowhere near a masterclass

7-5 for me.

yourdeadwright · 23-10-2020 4:29pm

walshb wrote: »

Nowhere near a masterclass

7-5 for me.

In context it was a master class, No one came close to doing that to Wlad for 10 years, Fury made the fight a ****e show and Wlad could do nothing about it,

But of course everyone is entitled to there opinion on it and I guess it shows people look for different things from boxing,

Lets hope we have more big fights like this to discuss in the future .

After all its discussions & opinions that make this place enjoyable ,

stockshares · 29-10-2020 5:23pm

Tyson v Jones press conference tonight.

Can't see either this or the fight ending well.

https://tysonontriller.com/

yourdeadwright · 29-10-2020 5:34pm

stockshares wrote: »

Tyson v Jones press conference tonight.

Can't see either this or the fight ending well.

https://tysonontriller.com/

This whole thing is sad

The Nal · 29-10-2020 5:45pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

This whole thing is sad

Ah its a bit of craic

yourdeadwright · 29-10-2020 6:22pm

The Nal wrote: »

Ah its a bit of craic

I think whoever talked them into this did not have there best interest at heart,

It could be seriously embarrassing for one of them or both,
At there age and past experience they don't need that and I'm not sure if Tyson in particular could handle a bad loss in this ,

Iv always of the opinion it was best for his mental state to get away form fighting , He says himself is an ego maniac and I just don't see this turning out well for him ,

Obviously both grown men and can make there mind up but I for one wont be watching , its needless ,

stockshares · 30-10-2020 1:01pm

stockshares wrote: »

Tyson v Jones press conference tonight.

Can't see either this or the fight ending well.

https://tysonontriller.com/

Press conference last night
https://youtu.be/6OyN0049LXM

4 fights on the bill.

Mike and Roy from 49mins in

normanoffside · 30-10-2020 2:32pm

Usyk 217 lbs
Chisora 255 lbs

walshb · 30-10-2020 2:46pm

Usyk same weight as a prime Tyson...

Chisora a sack a sh1t.

normanoffside · 30-10-2020 2:48pm

walshb wrote: »

Chisora a sack a sh1t.

Best shape of his life according to Sky Sports

ASOT · 30-10-2020 2:54pm

Could you imagine the uproar if Usyk painted himself black for the weigh in.

walshb · 30-10-2020 3:02pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Best shape of his life according to Sky Sports

No doubt Roy and Mike the same next month

normanoffside · 30-10-2020 3:04pm

walshb wrote: »

No doubt Roy and Mike the same next month

Well at least Mike and Roy have been in great shape before.

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