French author, 50, says he's incapable of loving a woman of 50

DS86DS · 15-01-2019 12:40am

I think I'm falling in love with Lotus Flower

DS86DS · 15-01-2019 12:43am

joe40 wrote: »

I have only quickly browsed through 2 forums this morning, this one and one about Watson crick of DNA fame.

The same posters are popping up spouting racist crap there and sexist crap here. I have no problem with different opinions, it is the whole point of a internet forum, but this does look organised.

Talk of beta males, cucks, looney left etc, it really does lower the level of debate.
All this stuff imported from alt right American sites actually goes against people that have genuinely held conservative views.

And what exactly do you consider to be "genuinely held conservative views"?

Wibbs · 15-01-2019 1:05am

Mrsmum wrote: »

It's gas really, old rock star choses young woman because her fertility so to speak shines out of her yet she, at the height of her sexual prime has to go at his elderly pace. Definite mismatch of nature there.

Could depend too. I mean Mick Jagger is scarily fit for a man of any age, never mind his. Now maybe he's getting creaky now in his mid seventies, but ten years ago and he was running around the stage like a hyper teenager. To be fair he's incredibly rare an individual.

Sonic Youth · 15-01-2019 1:47am

My 40 something friend, who has an almost supernatural effect on women, told me one of the best parts of having girlfriends in their 20s is the dirty looks older women give you.

Bastard has to rub it in! Still that's the life you can live when you have rockstar good looks and supreme confidence.

mvl · 15-01-2019 2:21am

not sure if this was mentioned, but appears life expectancy differs in men/women when there is a significant age gap in the couple; this is beneficial only for men, as the greater the age gap between a woman and her husband, the shorter her life expectancy would be (findings are based on data from two million Danish couples).
- guess some women have higher self preservation instincts than others.
According to Drefahl's study, published May 12 in the journal Demography, women marrying a partner seven to nine years younger increase their mortality risk by 20 percent. Hence, "health selection" can't be true for women; healthy women apparently don't go chasing after younger men. While many studies on mate selection show that women mostly prefer men the same age, most of them end up with an older husband. In the United States, on average a groom is 2.3 years older than his bride. "It's not that women couldn't find younger partners; the majority just don't want to," says Sven Drefahl.

mzungu · 15-01-2019 2:31am

Mrsmum wrote: »

It's gas really, old rock star choses young woman because her fertility so to speak shines out of her yet she, at the height of her sexual prime has to go at his elderly pace. Definite mismatch of nature there.

So, what your saying is...she can't get no satisfaction? :pac:

Ba dum tish!

*Grabs coat and exits swiftly.

Ash.J.Williams · 15-01-2019 2:43am

Get product on market.... Say something controversial.... Profit....

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-01-2019 4:26am

Ray Palmer wrote: »

What are we if we are not animals? You don't appear to live in the really world I know plenty of couples where the women is at least 10 years younger than the male.

Some? Sure. Plenty? Doubtful. As a percentage of all the couples you know, I’d be confident that it’s a small percentage.

ArchXStanton wrote: »

I remember a few years ago bringing a friend to the dentist in malahide which just happens to be across from the marina, I had time to kill so took a stroll along it, one of those superyachts had just pulled in and a gang of Hugh Heffner type oul fellas were getting off it and linking arms with not just your average good looking women, you could tell these were catwalk model types, I just smiled and nodded and got a smile and nod back :pac:

The wording is odd here - “You could tell”. Well, yes, by looking at them presumably? It’s not like it’s a cryptic crossword clue. If they were modelesque, you’d deduce that straight away surely? We’re all well able to make a quick assessment of looks.

0cp71eyxkb94qf · 15-01-2019 1:06pm

https://www.google.com/search?q=no+it+is+the+children+who+are+wrong&client=ms-android-h3g-ie&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjvmbjS3-_fAhXmSxUIHe5pDuwQ_AUoAXoECAsQAQ&biw=360&bih=612#imgrc=SwpNHig3fPVT1M

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 15-01-2019 1:19pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

It's gas really, old rock star choses young woman because her fertility so to speak shines out of her yet she, at the height of her sexual prime has to go at his elderly pace. Definite mismatch of nature there.

"His elderly pace?" Jagger is incredibly fit for his age, as anyone who has seen him perform live in his '60s and '70s could attest. He is still one of the most dynamic frontmen in rock, and would put the average 30-something to shame.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 15-01-2019 3:26pm

greencap wrote: »

Had a quick look there and have to admit the global age gap for marriage is lower than I thought.

Looks to be around 3.5 years going by one source.

That said, its still indicative of the female preference for seeking a source of stability in a mate. Which men don't seem to have.

as illustrated by:
https://theconversation.com/mind-the-gap-does-age-difference-in-relationships-matter-94132

Across Western countries, about 8% of all married heterosexual couples can be classified as having a large age gap (ten years or more).
These generally involve older men partnered with younger women.
About 1% of age-gap couples involve an older woman partnered with a younger man.

So let's assume not many people are getting married in their teens, and that some of those 10+ years age gap marriages are women in their thirties or maybe even (EEEEEW GROSS) forties. Not many men doing what basically every man wants to do because of like, science and biology.

What stability exactly is provided by a man 3 years older than a woman that isn't provided by a man six months younger? Considering women usually outearn men in their 20s it's presumably not financial. That 32.5 year old just provides emotional stability totally lacking from a 29 year old man? (I'd actually agree that women tend to mature emotionally and socially a bit quicker than men, definitely little boys should start school later than little girls and it's one way that society does fail to cater to male needs but it seems by the 30s to have more or less evened out)

How small dies an age gap have to be to stop proving your point, btw? Two weeks? Nine hours?

greencap · 15-01-2019 3:37pm

Tommy Kind Parakeet wrote: »

So let's assume not many people are getting married in their teens, and that some of those 10+ years age gap marriages are women in their thirties or maybe even (EEEEEW GROSS) forties. Not many men doing what basically every man wants to do because of like, science and biology.

What stability exactly is provided by a man 3 years older than a woman that isn't provided by a man six months younger? Considering women usually outearn men in their 20s it's presumably not financial. That 32.5 year old just provides emotional stability totally lacking from a 29 year old man? (I'd actually agree that women tend to mature emotionally and socially a bit quicker than men, definitely little boys should start school later than little girls and it's one way that society does fail to cater to male needs but it seems by the 30s to have more or less evened out)

How small dies an age gap have to be to stop proving your point, btw? Two weeks? Nine hours?

Well no, you won't disprove that, because women DO mostly marry men a few years older than themselves, on average.

Why? ... Ask some women.

wakka12 · 15-01-2019 3:41pm

I dont really agree with people that say women age worse. Maybe without intervention they do, but theres definitely way more women in their 40's who put effort into their looks ,like hair ,makeup, working out, than men of the same age. Over 50's..hardly ever see good looking examples of either gender tbh..

Tenderribs · 15-01-2019 3:42pm

wakka12 wrote: »

I dont really agree with people that say women age worse. Maybe without intervention they do, but theres definitely way more women in their 40's who put effort into their looks ,like hair ,makeup, working out, than men of the same age. Over 50's..hardly ever see good looking examples of either gender tbh..

For men though status and power, even if not good looking, can be sexy.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-01-2019 3:45pm

Tenderribs wrote: »

For men though status and power, even if not good looking, can be sexy.

You know, I don’t think anyone has made this point on-thread yet. Thank fook you registered, otherwise where would we be?

Zorya · 15-01-2019 3:46pm

Tenderribs wrote: »

For men though status and power, even if not good looking, can be sexy.

Maybe. I don't get it though. Puckering up for a big sloppy snog with someone you don't actually like the look of....blech. I'd prefer to be poor.

Tenderribs · 15-01-2019 3:48pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

You know, I don’t think anyone has made this point on-thread yet. Thank fook you registered, otherwise where would we be?

No prob, any time.

Tenderribs · 15-01-2019 3:49pm

Zorya wrote: »

Maybe. I don't get it though. Puckering up for a big sloppy snog with someone you don't actually like the look of....blech. I'd prefer to be poor.

What people say and what they do can often be different.

mvl · 15-01-2019 4:07pm

Zorya wrote: »

Maybe. I don't get it though. Puckering up for a big sloppy snog with someone you don't actually like the look of....blech. I'd prefer to be poor.

Ah, I preferred to read younger men may be attracted to older other men with status and power - that must be it, cause I don't know any woman in her right mind who'd go for old butt ugly guys with lots of money.
The same paper brought earlier had mentioned "About 25% of male-male unions and 15% of female-female unions demonstrate a large age gap."

Tenderribs · 15-01-2019 4:24pm

mvl wrote: »

Ah, I preferred to read younger men may be attracted to older other men with status and power - that must be it, cause I don't know any woman in her right mind who'd go for old butt ugly guys with lots of money.
The same paper brought earlier had mentioned "About 25% of male-male unions and 15% of female-female unions demonstrate a large age gap."

It's scientifically proven that status is a key attraction trigger for women towards men. It can make ordinary men appear good looking.

15-01-2019 4:42pm

Some amount of movitvated ignorance going on in this thread. Most of it from people who clearly have never (or no longer) had any success with the ladies.

Keep it coming chaps, then take a break and have an angry interlude with a sports sock in one hand and your instrument of seething resentment in the other while contemplating reality, since unless you become fabulously wealthy or famous - preferably both - and can afford the luxury of a young lady masking her cringing at the thought of having to service you (while smiling at your wallet) - you're probably going to be having the same sullen interludes with your sports socks and your resentment for company, long into the future - but at least you'll have the memory of getting digs in at women on the internet to keep you warm - because there is nothing more unattractive or more easily discernible than the kind of low level, very thinly veiled misogyny apparent from the worst posters here which will serve to repel almost all women, so at least they'll be spared.

Literally the only person in real life I've ever met who talks like this is a man in his late 30's who's never had a relationship, and blames all women for it rather than indulge in any self examination. As for the fine wine nonsense, I know it's comforting to tell yourselves otherwise but not even George Clooney looks better as an old boy than he did as a young man so I wouldn't count on suddenly turning into an Adonis while your very plums are making their escape from the cradle of your groin to the darkest recesses of your knees.

I'm 31 and engaged, so don't mistake this for post-wall saggy bitterness from a harpie whose hormonal deficits have rendered her mummified and invisible, all at the same time. Although I do have a cat.

Tenderribs · 15-01-2019 4:45pm

For women signals of youth are the overriding features of attracriveness. For men it is status and power, how he behaves and how others behave towards him. Looks of course are a factor, but not as much as looks are a factor for women.

By the way if you ever come across someone who tries very hard to tell you that you aren't attractive, perhaps by writing paragraphs on the topic, that's usually a reflection of their own insecurities, don't take it personally

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-01-2019 4:50pm

Candie wrote: »

Some amount of movitvated ignorance going on in this thread. Most of it from people who clearly have never (or no longer) had any success with the ladies.

Keep it coming chaps, then take a break and have an angry interlude with a sports sock in one hand and your instrument of seething resentment in the other while contemplating reality, since unless you become fabulously wealthy or famous - preferably both - and can afford the luxury of a young lady masking her cringing at the thought of having to service you (while smiling at your wallet) - you're probably going to be having the same sullen interludes with your sports socks and your resentment for company, long into the future - but at least you'll have the memory of getting digs in at women on the internet to keep you warm - because there is nothing more unattractive or more easily discernible than the kind of low level, very thinly veiled misogyny apparent from the worst posters here which will serve to repel almost all women, so at least they'll be spared.

Literally the only person in real life I've ever met who talks like this is a man in his late 30's who's never had a relationship, and blames all women for it rather than indulge in any self examination. As for the fine wine nonsense, I know it's comforting to tell yourselves otherwise but not even George Clooney looks better as an old boy than he did as a young man so I wouldn't count on suddenly turning into an Adonis while your very plums are making their escape from the cradle of your groin to the darkest recesses of your knees.

I'm 31 and engaged, so don't mistake this for post-wall saggy bitterness from a harpie whose hormonal deficits have rendered her mummified and invisible, all at the same time. Although I do have a cat.

Be prepared for somebody to post the picture of twenty-something George looking goofy that is floating around the internet. Even though one could easily counter with photos of first season ER, early thirties George looking much better than he does now, be prepared for the goofy George-in-his-twenties photo where he is ‘80s-styled to the max being posted.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 15-01-2019 4:52pm

The sweet spot for men's looks as they age is probably a bit older than for women, as a crude generalisation in keeping with the thread. Like there are a lot of men who look a lot better without the baby face, with a bit of grey. But it's not as though they continue to get better looking indefinitely. Clooney looks good now, but he looked a lot better in his 20s, there are a lot of men in the public eye to whom frankly only the second part of that applies.

But I'd personally find a man in his mind 30s more attractive than a man in his early 20s. Mind you, I'm 29 and therefore rapidly exiting the arena of womanhood where anyone gives a sh1t about anything I think or say, I expect my one-year-older partner will probably trade me in for someone with whom he has a proper age gap. Like three years.

15-01-2019 4:55pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Be prepared for somebody to post the picture of twenty-something George looking goofy that is floating around the internet. Even though one could easily counter with photos of first season ER, early thirties George looking much better than he does now, be prepared for the goofy George-in-his-twenties photo where he is ‘80s-styled to the max.

We all know that old rich men attract young women (and they can filter out the fact that the young women find them physically off-putting, if not repulsive), and we all know that very old rich men can even still father kids, but how many actually get to be in that position?

It's not particularly likely that any of the guys repeatedly posting in this thread will be one of those guys, although they seem to be under the impression that they'll be dating girls young enough to be their daughters at a time in their lives when they need regular prostate exams :P

Tenderribs · 15-01-2019 4:55pm

Tommy Kind Parakeet wrote: »

The sweet spot for men's looks as they age is probably a bit older than for women, as a crude generalisation in keeping with the thread. Like there are a lot of men who look a lot better without the baby face, with a bit of grey. But it's not as though they continue to get better looking indefinitely. Clooney looks good now, but he looked a lot better in his 20s, there are a lot of men in the public eye to whom frankly only the second part of that applies.

But I'd personally find a man in his mind 30s more attractive than a man in his early 20s. Mind you, I'm 29 and therefore rapidly exiting the arena of womanhood where anyone gives a sh1t about anything I think or say, I expect my one-year-older partner will probably trade me in for someone with whom he has a proper age gap. Like three years.

Cloney was probably best looking in his late thirties to early forties, in terms of sexual appeal.

I'd say peak for a typical man who looks after himself should be around late thirties, for a woman I'd say 20-24.

greencap · 15-01-2019 5:02pm

Candie wrote: »

Some amount of movitvated ignorance going on in this thread. Most of it from people who clearly have never (or no longer) had any success with the ladies.

Keep it coming chaps, then take a break and have an angry interlude with a sports sock in one hand and your instrument of seething resentment in the other while contemplating reality, since unless you become fabulously wealthy or famous - preferably both - and can afford the luxury of a young lady masking her cringing at the thought of having to service you (while smiling at your wallet) - you're probably going to be having the same sullen interludes with your sports socks and your resentment for company, long into the future - but at least you'll have the memory of getting digs in at women on the internet to keep you warm - because there is nothing more unattractive or more easily discernible than the kind of low level, very thinly veiled misogyny apparent from the worst posters here which will serve to repel almost all women, so at least they'll be spared.

Literally the only person in real life I've ever met who talks like this is a man in his late 30's who's never had a relationship, and blames all women for it rather than indulge in any self examination. As for the fine wine nonsense, I know it's comforting to tell yourselves otherwise but not even George Clooney looks better as an old boy than he did as a young man so I wouldn't count on suddenly turning into an Adonis while your very plums are making their escape from the cradle of your groin to the darkest recesses of your knees.

I'm 31 and engaged, so don't mistake this for post-wall saggy bitterness from a harpie whose hormonal deficits have rendered her mummified and invisible, all at the same time. Although I do have a cat.

Type 'men age like' in the Google search bar.

See clichés, although not always true, still exist for a reason.

Money and status DO make men more attractive. And not just superstars or millionaires.

Not so much for women.
Most men don't care if a woman is a surgeon or a junior clerk.

Where is the male Mills and Boon?
Oh that's right.

15-01-2019 5:03pm

Most girls of 20 wouldn't look twice at a guy in his late thirties. Too close to dad age.

Tenderribs · 15-01-2019 5:07pm

Fact of the matter is it's easier for a man late thirties to attract women, they are are more sexually appealing generally than a 21 year old man all thing equal.

greencap · 15-01-2019 5:08pm

Candie wrote: »

Most girls of 20 wouldn't look twice at a guy in his late thirties. Too close to dad age.

Depends where you go.

French author, 50, says he's incapable of loving a woman of 50

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