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    #122
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    ulsen wrote: »
    Interesting, will these have live streaming, who will supervise the students?

    Yes live streaming from the classroom. I believe the overflow area will be a large open area in the school so will hold multiple overflow students from different class groups at good distance. Earphones allowed. This isn't nailed down yet from what I heard.obviosuly complications with it too.

    Not sure about supervision but I hope management has procured more than enough subs for this year. If subbing is your game there's a fortune to be made this year.


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    #123
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    Mardy Bum wrote: »
    Every single thing a principal does will be pointless if everyone is maskless. The hundreds of hours organising timetables, routines, tables, rooms, etc. will be akin to the roads to no where.

    Yeah I totally agree. Its farcical. We are going nowhere with this but it has to be attempted I suppose. School will be in tatters with a second closure. Students will be badly affected.

    I think half capacity, everyone wearing masks and live streaming to those at home was the best option. Regardless of the economic ramifications. A trial of this would have let us know where we stand. I reckon 6-8 weeks and we will be closed again. Prepping for it personally.


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    #124
    ulsen
    Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭ulsen


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    Not sure about supervision but I hope management has procured more than enough subs for this year. If subbing is your game there's a fortune to be made this year.[/QUOTE

    No, not looking for subbing, but a special ed teacher. I have a feeling in my bones this is where resource / learning support teachers might be used. I guess it could go under team teaching


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    #125
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    ulsen wrote: »
    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    Not sure about supervision but I hope management has procured more than enough subs for this year. If subbing is your game there's a fortune to be made this year.[/QUOTE

    No, not looking for subbing, but a special ed teacher. I have a feeling in my bones this is where resource / learning support teachers might be used. I guess it could go under team teaching

    Sorry, what I said about the subbing was more of a general statement. Not aimed at you.

    I think we might see a mass exodus of teachers due to this. If the plan is to be adhered to properly, it will be alien to what we know as normal. I understand that's the case in many jobs but couple it with the lack of safety then I feel a lot will call it a day.


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    #126
    Dave0301
    Registered Users Posts: 2,470 ✭✭✭Dave0301


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    Im doing the aide in our school. Not much administration wise I'm being told, just organising classrooms, etc. Starting next week at some stage.

    In regards to homework. I'm going completely paperless. We use the O365 platform so will get them to type it up or send photos via Teams. Keep them all in individual folders. Bit of work to get it started but 100% worth it when it starts flowing. Give them HW in bulk at beginning of week possibly. Should really start to nail these things down now!

    If you have Teams & O365, maybe give OneNote a try? It will massively help with keeping all the work nicely structured.


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    #127
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    Just bit the bullet and bought a little belt microphone/speaker as the one I’d been watching while waiting for word from school about teaching with masks went out of stock and others are going low stock. I figure worst case I’ll use it for full choir/show rehearsals


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    #128
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    Just bit the bullet and bought a little belt microphone/speaker as the one I’d been watching while waiting for word from school about teaching with masks went out of stock and others are going low stock. I figure worst case I’ll use it for full choir/show rehearsals

    Would you mind sharing the link of the one you bought? Just trying to get ideas. My room is really big (brilliant now ) but I normally get the kids in older classes to sit at the front so I don't have to shout for all my classes!


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    #129
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    am_zarathustra wrote: »
    Would you mind sharing the link of the one you bought? Just trying to get ideas. My room is really big (brilliant now ) but I normally get the kids in older classes to sit at the front so I don't have to shout for all my classes!

    This wasn’t my first choice but reviews seem ok and there’s several from teachers

    Retekess PR16R Voice Amplifier with Microphone, FM Radio High Power 12W Voice Amplifier 1200mAh Rechargeable Batteries for Tour Guid, School, Super Market, Meeting, Training https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07MGL31NW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_mdsjFbZK83C4Q


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    #130
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Thanks for sharing, I think I need to order one during the week!


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    #131
    Alex86Eire
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭Alex86Eire


    maynooth_rules wrote: »
    Has anyone had it confirmed that they have lost their base room for next year?

    We've been told anyway that rooms are no longer going to be teacher based. All movable furniture - shelves, cabinets etc are going to be removed and put in storage so we need to take everything that we need out of the rooms. Books, resources etc.


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    #132
    deiseindublin
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    Where is all this storage schools are moving everything to?


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    #133
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    deiseindublin wrote: »
    Where is all this storage schools are moving everything to?

    Better getting the planning in for the storage prefabs!!


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    #134
    maynooth_rules
    Registered Users Posts: 1,502 ✭✭✭maynooth_rules


    Alex86Eire wrote: »
    We've been told anyway that rooms are no longer going to be teacher based. All movable furniture - shelves, cabinets etc are going to be removed and put in storage so we need to take everything that we need out of the rooms. Books, resources etc.

    I just can't get my head around this. Yes it will work fine for first years, but beyond that I can't grasp it. The kids, particularly 5th and 6th years will have different class groupings for every single class. They will be moving anyway.
    And what could go wrong with leaving kids in a room for 3 or 4 minutes while the teachers move around.


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    #135
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    maynooth_rules wrote: »
    I just can't get my head around this. Yes it will work fine for first years, but beyond that I can't grasp it. The kids, particularly 5th and 6th years will have different class groupings for every single class. They will be moving anyway.
    And what could go wrong with leaving kids in a room for 3 or 4 minutes while the teachers move around.

    We're losing base classes but I'm not sure whether it's teachers only that will be moving or students as well. Hvae yet to hear the rational behind it. Leaving hem unattended is simply not an option, a disaster waiting to happen.


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    #136
    F5500
    Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭F5500


    maynooth_rules wrote: »
    And what could go wrong with leaving kids in a room for 3 or 4 minutes while the teachers move around.

    Depends on the type of students you're dealing with.

    95% of schools would be fine, probably. The other 5% would see young lads pucking the heads off each other or firing desks/chairs about.


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    #137
    DubLad69
    Registered Users Posts: 477 ✭✭DubLad69


    F5500 wrote: »
    Depends on the type of students you're dealing with.

    95% of schools would be fine, probably. The other 5% would see young lads pucking the heads off each other or firing desks/chairs about.

    I disagree. All schools have bullying, the ones that refuse and claim that there is no bullying are often the worst. Those vulnerable students that are often bullied will be most vulnerable during this time. They could be left unsupervised for up to 40 minutes per day.

    Would it be okay to leave a class alone for a full period? That's also 40 minutes


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    #138
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users Posts: 15,381 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    maynooth_rules wrote: »
    I just can't get my head around this. Yes it will work fine for first years, but beyond that I can't grasp it. The kids, particularly 5th and 6th years will have different class groupings for every single class. They will be moving anyway.
    And what could go wrong with leaving kids in a room for 3 or 4 minutes while the teachers move around.

    Once you get beyond core subjects in first year they are mixing for all of their choice subjects anyway. Also are the 1As gonna be told they can’t talk to the 1Bs at break.

    Having base rooms for students won’t make a blind bit of difference. They will be mixed for some subjects regardless


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    #139
    DubLad69
    Registered Users Posts: 477 ✭✭DubLad69


    Is anyone considering being the LWR? Our school hasn't asked about that or the Aide yet.

    Considering doing the LWR, more so because I don't think anyone else in my school would be willing to without being pressured into it.


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    #140
    Alex86Eire
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭Alex86Eire


    deiseindublin wrote: »
    Where is all this storage schools are moving everything to?

    I think our school is getting some kind of storage crates and putting them in the yard. All movable furniture will be placed here in two weeks time.


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    #141
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Alex86Eire wrote: »
    I think our school is getting some kind of storage crates and putting them in the yard. All movable furniture will be placed here in two weeks time.

    Think the poster meant where are they being moved to? Can't exactly just be left out in the yard for the winter!!!


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    #142
    Alex86Eire
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭Alex86Eire


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Think the poster meant where are they being moved to? Can't exactly just be left out in the yard for the winter!!!

    Sorry maybe storage crates wasn't the correct term. Storage unit maybe? Like a corrugated iron shed type thing.


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    #143
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Alex86Eire wrote: »
    Sorry maybe storage crates wasn't the correct term. Storage unit maybe? Like a corrugated iron shed type thing.

    Ahh, that makes more sense.


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    #144
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    Alex86Eire wrote: »
    Sorry maybe storage crates wasn't the correct term. Storage unit maybe? Like a corrugated iron shed type thing.

    Containers. Like football teams have in the park.


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    Random sample
    Registered Users Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭Random sample


    We had to put all of our stuff into storage a few years ago when the roof was retiled. A lot of boxes when missing and never turned up. I will be bringing everything home with me.


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    #146
    DubLad69
    Registered Users Posts: 477 ✭✭DubLad69


    Random sample wrote: »
    We had to put all of our stuff into storage a few years ago when the roof was retiled. A lot of boxes when missing and never turned up. I will be bringing everything home with me.

    Same. Anything that I own will be removed from the classroom from clocks to posters, stools, whiteboard cleaners. I will be bringing it all home to keep it safe until I have my classroom back.

    It will be a very bare looking room.


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    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,207 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    DubLad69 wrote: »
    Same. Anything that I own will be removed from the classroom from clocks to posters, stools, whiteboard cleaners. I will be bringing it all home to keep it safe until I have my classroom back.

    It will be a very bare looking room.

    Going in next week to remove everything from the walls. I'll be taking all my extra books and resources to storage (attic) until things settle back down.


    Why?

    1. Stuff will be stolen
    2. Stuff will go missing
    3. Stuff will get damaged.


    Easier to keep is at home for now.

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    #148
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,207 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    maynooth_rules wrote: »
    And what could go wrong with leaving kids in a room for 3 or 4 minutes while the teachers move around.

    My 6th year history class.... Nothing they will work away.

    My 5th year LCA class.... The room could literally be on fire.

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    #149
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    DubLad69 wrote: »
    I disagree. All schools have bullying, the ones that refuse and claim that there is no bullying are often the worst. Those vulnerable students that are often bullied will be most vulnerable during this time. They could be left unsupervised for up to 40 minutes per day.

    Would it be okay to leave a class alone for a full period? That's also 40 minutes

    I'd be seriously concerned about vulnerable students being left in unsupervised classes - this is a huge no no for me.

    That said, I've concerns about masked youths in uniforms all descending on the corridors at once - as far as CCTV or the watchful eye of a teacher is concerned, by looking identical and unidentifiable, they'll have never been as anonymous as they will be now :eek:

    Even if we forget about the bullying for just a second and pretend that we only have, at worst, messers.

    When kids find themselves unexpectedly unsupervised for 5mins, it's usually 'grand'. Any messing they do is opportunistic and in the moment. But this is a whole different ball game. Students will know in advance of coming to school (never mind class) that they will have unsupervised time in the class.

    I went to a school where the students had base rooms and the teachers moved. Kids came armed to the teeth with projectiles in their bags for when teacher was gone. It wasn't all of us doing it and it wasn't being done all of the time, but it was still an uncomfortable enough experience for me to remember it well, 20 years later, and I'd consider myself hardy enough.


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    linguist
    Registered Users Posts: 615 ✭✭✭linguist


    Just want to raise an issue I believe is staring us in the face even though not all principals are the same by any means.

    Many Irish schools are very hierarchical in their management structure. Senior management 'consults' with AP1s/AP2s (who will sometimes tell you all that means is they're told first) prior to communicating with the rank and file. How many principals operate behind a traffic light system where you press a button on the door or similar and more often than not it's red? How many others basically use the office staff as their guard dogs? You can't get into the principal's office as it involves going into the secretary's office where you literally hit a brick wall.

    Now obviously we're to have a lead worker representative but again we can expect some of the usual staff room big beasts to be lining up for that post where arguably one of the single most important qualities required is that the LWR be someone that everyone on staff feels entirely comfortable approaching from the most humble PME student or first year RPT right up to the APs. The LWR, in turn, must have the necessary self-confidence to tell it straight to management and report back warts and all to the staff.

    One of my big fears is that the barricaded away principal so many of us are familiar with represents the single greatest danger to a safe reopening of our schools. The whole culture needs to change overnight to one where everyone can speak up about matters arising for everyone's safety. Put simply, the principal's door needs to be open for at least the first couple of months because the LWR is only going to get 2 hours off their timetable so often matters arising will have to go straight to the principal or deputy principal.


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    #151
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    This is so true. The varience in principals is startling. I took some comfort in the fact the LWR is an elected position. In our school I can guarantee the person or people we elect will not be who the principal wants. Ability to insist on meetings and relationship with all staff members should be to the fore of all of our minds


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