How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism?

Keyzer · 06-12-2018 9:49am

silverharp wrote: »

a new york senator ....

Ridiculous nonsense if you ask me...

Refreshing though are the responses, she's been absolutely hammered.

silverharp · 06-12-2018 2:13pm

Keyzer wrote: »

Ridiculous nonsense if you ask me...

Refreshing though are the responses, she's been absolutely hammered.

the comments are great, still has 25K likes

Defunkd · 06-12-2018 9:40pm

What does "Intersectional" mean?

silverharp · 07-12-2018 1:22pm

Defunkd wrote: »

What does "Intersectional" mean?

keep your innocence, the more you know about this the more sanity points you lose

H3llR4iser · 07-12-2018 3:23pm

Defunkd wrote: »

What does "Intersectional" mean?

Long story short: in its feminist variant, the concept that basically everything in the world combines (intersects...) to oppress women. Whenever it's clearly not the case (e.g. women getting lighter court sentences for the same crimes when compared to men), it's just because you can't see it as you're not "oppressed".

If you're wondering why such a thing exists, because it sounds like a "the world is against me" conspiracy theory born out of a looney's drunken fit, well, it's because you're not seeing it...as you're not a drunken looney.

Unless it has now evolved into something about identifying oneself as a "yellow and green polka-dotted, three bladed twin rotor autogyro" thing. You can never tell these days.

iptba · 08-12-2018 5:49pm

Cabinet Minister Mary Mitchell O’Connor has said she is “very disappointed and annoyed” over RTÉ’s decision to replace Martina Fitzgerald as one of the station’s political correspondents.

In a message posted on Twitter, Ms O’Connor said “one of the most high profile women in media” had been “taken out”. She described Ms Fitzgerald as “professional to her finger tips”.

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/minister-disappointed-and-annoyed-at-rt-decision-to-replace-martina-fitzgerald-in-dil-37606239.html

I'm not convinced that ministers should be commenting on decisions like this. But then this minister has approved funding for women-only professorships.

Silentcorner · 08-12-2018 8:47pm

Is feminism just part of modern day outrage culture or is it a cause of it, facilitated by media and social media which only polorises debate...from what I can see this all seems to be stemming from US Universities over the last number of years?

silverharp · 08-12-2018 9:15pm

i found this a interesting take on the whole sh1t storm coming out of the far left

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbgYDUvt1yM

iptba · 05-01-2019 6:33pm

https://twitter.com/RuhamaAgency/status/1081198146653487104

Ruhama, the largest anti-sex work organisation in Ireland, was founded as a joint initiative of the Good Shepherd Sisters and Our Lady of Charity Sisters

They were partly responsible for pushing for the Nordic model to be brought in in Ireland, where the buyers of sex are criminalised, but not the sellers.

Current Funders include

Department of Health - Health Service Executive,

Department of Health - South Inner City Local Drugs Task Force,

Department of Justice, Equality & Law Reform - Anti Human Trafficking Unit,

Corporate Donations,

Private Donations,

Community Support,

Fundraising Initiatives.

No mention that a lot of women, according to statistics also access pornography.

LostinBlanch · 07-01-2019 9:37pm

A new study released by the University of Essex and the University of Missouri Columbia shows that men are the more discriminated group in 91 countries compared to 43 for women.

It uses a new score of measuring gender inequality called the BIGI or Basic Index of Gender Inequality which is based on three factors: educational opportunities, healthy life expectancy and overall life satisfaction.

A measure called the Global Gender Gap Index has been used as the yardstick for analysing inequality since its inception in 2006.

It became one of the most widely-used measures of national gender inequality, used by academics and policy makers across the world

Researchers have recently grown wary of the index and claim it does not measure issues where men are at a disadvantage.

Professor Stoet also believes the complexity of the Global Gender Gap Index makes it difficult to distinguish whether gender differences are the result of social inequalities or personal preference.

The simpler BIGI method, he says, is a much sounder alternative.

He said: 'No existing measure of gender inequality fully captures the hardships that are disproportionately experienced by men in many countries and so they do not fully capture the extent to which any specific country is promoting the wellbeing of all its citizens.

'The BIGI provides a much simpler way of tackling gender inequality and it focuses on aspects of life that are directly relevant to all people.

'Used alongside other existing indicators, it provides additional and different information to give a more complete assessment of gender equality, making it easier for policy-makers to introduce changes to improve the quality of life for both men and women.'

I find it strange that according to the Basic Index Saudi Arabia is the number one best country for women. To me that suggests it needs some tweaking, but it’s good to see some attempts to find better ways to measure gender inequality. Still, watch it being attacked by feminists as it doesn’t suit their agenda.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6564767/Men-face-discrimination-women.html

iptba · 07-01-2019 9:51pm

LostinBlanch wrote: »

A new study released by the University of Essex and the University of Missouri Columbia shows that men are the more discriminated group in 91 countries compared to 43 for women.

It uses a new score of measuring gender inequality called the BIGI or Basic Index of Gender Inequality which is based on three factors: educational opportunities, healthy life expectancy and overall life satisfaction.

I find it strange that according to the Basic Index Saudi Arabia is the number one best country for women. To me that suggests it needs some tweaking, but it’s good to see some attempts to find better ways to measure gender inequality. Still, watch it being attacked by feminists as it doesn’t suit their agenda.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6564767/Men-face-discrimination-women.html

Ireland came in 34th in terms of those with the least discrimination, with males being disadvantaged here according to this measure.
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No mention of this in any Irish media outlets from what I can see from a quick look at Google News.

iptba · 27-01-2019 1:22am

I've been reading a bit more about trans-exclusionary radical feminism (TERF; also Trans women exclusionary feminism or TWEF) following the coverage on Prime Time, a female friend of mine sometimes posting some material agreeing with it on Facebook, etc.

To me it seems to have been quite heavily based by misandrous views.

mcmoustache · 05-02-2019 6:06pm

iptba wrote: »

I've been reading a bit more about trans-exclusionary radical feminism (TERF; also Trans women exclusionary feminism or TWEF) following the coverage on Prime Time, a female friend of mine sometimes posting some material agreeing with it on Facebook, etc.

To me it seems to have been quite heavily based by misandrous views.

Best not to get involved. It's a clusterfúck of online nastiness.

iptba · 16-02-2019 4:00am

Hillary Clinton wrote:

'As Speaker Nancy Pelosi - doesn't that sound great - has proved yet again, it often takes a woman to get the job done'

Her sexist bias comes through again.

iptba · 24-02-2019 5:53pm

The heavy toll of women’s unpaid emotional labour
Saturday, February 23, 2019 - 12:00 AM
By Joyce Fegan
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/the-heavy-toll-of-womens-unpaid-emotional-labour-906554.html

I imagine newspapers would be reluctant to post such an article if the genders were reversed.

This is where, if you’re in a heterosexual relationship, both the man and woman get home from work, and the woman takes out the schoolbooks and goes through the homework, while keeping an eye on the boiling spuds. This is where the woman keeps a mental diary of the birthdays of both in-laws and blood relatives. This is where the woman starts the financial gymnastics in August to cover the presents and food and outfits at Christmas, and the school tours at Easter.

For men, who are at this stage protesting too much, worry not, it’s not all women, just the vast majority of them.

When it comes to issues of social justice, women also volunteer, protest, and donate more.

But, for the most part, those doing the unpaid, and oftentimes unwelcome, work of social change were women.

And having to include a caveat to appease men so as to try and reduce the likelihood of getting lynch-mobbed is another emotionally tiresome activity women undertake.

“How can I not come across as a crazed feminist when talking to this guy I like about things such as ‘Me Too’? How do I be truthful about what I feel and not offend him?” came a sincere question, which silenced the room.

Paraphrasing, Ms Alderton spoke about how women often place the male ego ahead of their experienced injustices.

As the conversation of the #MeToo movement continues to reverberate around the world, many women, victims and not, come up against the “witch hunt” or “this has gone too far” defence. We must temper our long-stifled rage in order not to offend men. Cue further emotional exhaustion. “Don’t come across too angry, they won’t listen,” is the well-meaning advice. Especially to women of colour.

Actor Idris Elba was asked how hard it is to be a man in showbusiness in the #MeToo age. A woman has yet to be asked this same question. He answered succinctly.

“It’s only difficult if you’re a man with something to hide,” said Mr Elba.

Silentcorner · 24-02-2019 6:39pm

I know it is not easy, but we must learn to stop reading content like that, it is damaging everyone...it is targeted not just at women, but at annoyed men also...only emotive content has any chance of financial viability, which in my opinion is a flawed belief...they are selling empowerment to women and simultaneously making them miserable in an effort to secure a future for the media organisation...it is shameful!

If they think women have it bad now, wait until more and more women work longer hours in more pressurised environments...I know businessmen, who had to work without wages for periods of time, who carried that weight alone for as long as they possibly could...

Life is a struggle for both genders, I heard a great quote somewhere recently, when one gender wins, both genders lose!

iptba · 25-02-2019 6:37pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

I know it is not easy, but we must learn to stop reading content like that, it is damaging everyone...it is targeted not just at women, but at annoyed men also...only emotive content has any chance of financial viability, which in my opinion is a flawed belief...they are selling empowerment to women and simultaneously making them miserable in an effort to secure a future for the media organisation...it is shameful!

If they think women have it bad now, wait until more and more women work longer hours in more pressurised environments...I know businessmen, who had to work without wages for periods of time, who carried that weight alone for as long as they possibly could...

Life is a struggle for both genders, I heard a great quote somewhere recently, when one gender wins, both genders lose!

What they do on Men's Rights on Reddit is to use archive.is for articles they disagree with, so the media outlet doesn't benefit from the hits.

iptba · 25-02-2019 7:21pm

Irish Times today:

Pilita Clark: ‘Women must insist on right to be as useless as men’

http://archive.is/ZfF19

I think the Irish Times would be reluctant to use such a heading if the genders were reversed.

‘Twice as good’

Not that long ago, she wrote a thoughtful blog on the dearth of female chairs at large companies that included this eye-catching advice to women: “At interview, we need to be twice as good as the men, to overcome the gaps in our CVs and the perceived risk in being different. I don’t think we quite realise that.”

I wonder is this really true. Indeed, there may be some positive discrimination in favour of women.

That question is the title of a new book by a professor of business psychology named Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic who thinks inept men benefit from our tendency to confuse confidence with leadership ability.

He says overbearing narcissists, who are statistically more likely to be men, find it easier to vault into top jobs at the expense of more able, considerate and humble people, who are often female, and we should rethink the way we judge sound leadership.

He has a point. I can think of plenty of quiet, modest people, male and female, who are beaten to top jobs by arrogant unfit loudmouths. Yet the belief that women are intrinsically nicer or better than men is fraught. It is just a slippery step away from the biological determinism that has long held women back in the first place. It is also uncomfortably close to that annoying urge to lionise the best and brightest on International Women’s Day.

I think many people would be reluctant to publicly say something similar with the genders reversed and similarly papers will be reluctant to publish it.

Yet there is a serious case to be made against the wearying expectation for women to be always more able, more ethical, more generous and more inspiring. We must demand the right to be as incompetent, lazy and useless as any man. That is where true equality lies.

Silentcorner · 25-02-2019 8:36pm

iptba wrote: »

What they do on Men's Rights on Reddit is to use archive.is for articles they disagree with, so the media outlet doesn't benefit from the hits.

I guess what I meant was the content that receives the most clicks and shares on news websites and social media (news outlets have descended into tabloid type journalism in a desperate attempt to remain viable) is content that is emotive, and the more negative the content is, the more it gets shared.

News websites get a huge amount of their clicks through social media.

Women are more likely to click and share on negative content like this, women are the desired audience on account of the power of their wallets...or purses...

What we are witnessing is not a collective female awakening of their oppression by men, we are witnessing the fall of media and its influence on the broader population....in short, media is in the toilet and is dragging public discourse with it!

iptba · 25-02-2019 9:53pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

I guess what I meant was the content that receives the most clicks and shares on news websites and social media (news outlets have descended into tabloid type journalism in a desperate attempt to remain viable) is content that is emotive, and the more negative the content is, the more it gets shared.

News websites get a huge amount of their clicks through social media.

Women are more likely to click and share on negative content like this, women are the desired audience on account of the power of their wallets...or purses...

What we are witnessing is not a collective female awakening of their oppression by men, we are witnessing the fall of media and its influence on the broader population....in short, media is in the toilet and is dragging public discourse with it!

That's one way of looking at it. But it's not as if academia/educational institutions, public bodies, the commercial sector, etc. are immune from looking at gender issues through a feminist prism.

iptba · 26-02-2019 11:24pm

Not for the first time, I've seen journalists describe themselves as a feminist in their bio:

https://twitter.com/alisonoconn

Alison O'Connor
@alisonoconn ‏

Journalist, broadcaster, and commentator. Feminist. Opinions obligatory.

Normally it would seem to be expected that journalists would at least appear to be unbiased, but it seems with feminism that isn't always required

iptba · 06-03-2019 9:44pm

An ad on Twitter today.
Not the most objectionable thing feminists say but it would be interesting to see whether it is taxpayers' money that pays for it: I know they get a lot of their money from grants

https://twitter.com/nwci/status/1103010747196604417

I'm just looking at their Twitter page https://twitter.com/NWCI and one of the signs in the profile claims "women are 27 times more likely to be harassed online" which I have great difficulty in believing.

iptba · 08-03-2019 4:18pm

KrustyUCC · 08-03-2019 4:21pm

My cousin posted a story on FB about Aer Lingus giving priority boarding to women this morning

It will be interesting to see if they do the same for men on International Mens Day

iptba · 08-03-2019 7:37pm

Patricia Casey: 'Women's Day is more about virtue-signalling and socialist activism than tackling real issues'

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/patricia-casey-womens-day-is-more-about-virtuesignalling-and-socialist-activism-than-tackling-real-issues-37891273.html

Reviews and Books Galore · 08-03-2019 11:26pm

I like how they mentioned the lower number of men. Gotta be above to be equal :P

iptba · 30-03-2019 11:09pm

Jane Merrick: 'Incompetence brought down May, not the fact she is a woman'

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/jane-merrick-incompetence-brought-down-may-not-the-fact-she-is-a-woman-37965894.html

This week, a minister suggested that the way May has been hounded over her own exit was misogynistic, and that a male prime minister would not be bundled out of office by his MPs. I don't think that's true. Yes, Margaret Thatcher was forced to quit after pressure from her ministers, but she had refused to listen and be flexible - much like her woman PM successor.

Male premiers have also been pursued by their own side: Tony Blair by Gordon Brown; Gordon Brown by Blairite ministers; David Cameron, effectively, by the Eurosceptic wing of his party.

iptba · 08-04-2019 4:44pm

Patricia Casey: 'Trying to homogenise the sexes is doomed to fail - men and women are simply different'
https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/patricia-casey-trying-to-homogenise-the-sexes-is-doomed-to-fail-men-and-women-are-simply-different-37991666.html

iptba · 28-04-2019 1:25am

Forty five per cent of men felt “the #metoo movement had gone too far,” along with 38 per cent of women.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/two-thirds-of-people-say-ireland-is-too-politically-correct-1.3871647

iptba · 07-06-2019 8:03pm

Catherine O'Mahony: 'If you pine for a time when the words 'gender equality' are no longer needed, you are in for a very long wait'

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/catherine-omahony-if-you-pine-for-a-time-when-the-words-gender-equality-are-no-longer-needed-you-are-in-for-a-very-long-wait-38190264.html

Even the highest-scoring countries - and Ireland is among those - have plenty more to do, particularly on complex issues such as climate change, gender budgeting and public services, equal representation in powerful positions, gender pay gaps, and gender-based violence.

[..]

Our pay packets also still tell a dispiriting story as men still earn 14pc more than women here, according to the latest report from Eurostat.

An average gender pay gap doesn't necessarily mean discrimination. We don't live in a Communist society: some jobs have better pay attached to them (though pay is only one measure of a job, e.g. some jobs are more dangerous and they tend to be mainly done by males).

I have recall seeing gender budgeting being mentioned in an Irish context in relation to females or by feminists; it never seemed to be about ensuring there wasn't any problems for men

Melinda Gates, as it happens, is pretty good at identifying where the crux of the problem lies. In her own house, she has explained, she noticed that her children and her spouse (that would be Bill) had in theory agreed to clean up after dinner, but in practice left it to her most nights.

I think it's worth noting that Melinda is worth billions of dollars due to the work of her husband.

How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism?

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