Saturday with Katie Hannon

Pelvis Parsley · 15-05-2021 3:19pm

This show isn't exactly covering itself in glory I'm afraid.

She made a fine job on Liveline then.

touts · 16-05-2021 9:37am

I thought yesterday's Two Trots and a Junior Minister show was one of the worst ever and that is saying something. Brid Smith attempting to make political capital out of the HSE ransomware attack shows just how devoid of any constructive thought that woman is. She is a political black hole of negativity. And then Eoin O'Brin and Colm Brophy talking and shouting over each other. It was like listening to two squabbling toddlers in the back of a car.

Katie does a good job on the Late Debate where we have larger panels of serious top level politicians so clearly it is the two Trots and a Junior Minister format of the saturday show that is the problem now. They need to restore some sort of balance on the panels or cancel it.

Brendan Bendar · 16-05-2021 3:42pm

touts wrote: »

I thought yesterday's Two Trots and a Junior Minister show was one of the worst ever and that is saying something. Brid Smith attempting to make political capital out of the HSE ransomware attack shows just how devoid of any constructive thought that woman is. She is a political black hole of negativity. And then Eoin O'Brin and Colm Brophy talking and shouting over each other. It was like listening to two squabbling toddlers in the back of a car.

Katie does a good job on the Late Debate where we have larger panels of serious top level politicians so clearly it is the two Trots and a Junior Minister format of the saturday show that is the problem now. They need to restore some sort of balance on the panels or cancel it.

Beg to disagree, Tee.

Hannon is very poor, for me, she is biased against the Establishment , doesn’t challenge the Trotters, allows them to pump out populist bull, which doesn’t cut the mustard.

Poor diction, stop start delivery, not in control , no presence.

Hard to justify why she is still there, in my opinion.

Mad_maxx · 16-05-2021 5:14pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Beg to disagree, Tee.

Hannon is very poor, for me, she is biased against the Establishment , doesn’t challenge the Trotters, allows them to pump out populist bull, which doesn’t cut the mustard.

Poor diction, stop start delivery, not in control , no presence.

Hard to justify why she is still there, in my opinion.

no RTE presenter ( since Pat Kenny left ) challenges the left on their guff and blather , place is full of socialists

EmmetSpiceland · 16-05-2021 5:16pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

no RTE presenter ( since Pat Kenny left ) challenges the left on their guff and blather , place is full of socialists

I thought they were a MSM “mouthpiece” for FFG, M?

mzungu · 16-05-2021 11:54pm

It's quite irksome when guests are shouting over each other. The same used to happen when Cormac hosted the show.

I think some muting of mics would go a long way.

Brendan Bendar · 17-05-2021 4:48pm

mzungu wrote: »

It's quite irksome when guests are shouting over each other. The same used to happen when Cormac hosted the show.

I think some muting of mics would go a long way.

Correct and right…. Can I refer again to Today on BBC R4.

They don’t allow this kind of chaos, and regarding timekeeping, anyone who tries to ‘motormouth’ their way through the time constraints is efficiently ‘wound down’
without any platitudes.

The real fault of course is with the presenter and producer who lets this garbage happen and hasn’t the chutzpah to intervene.

Hannon, it seems to me , would rather let the Govt get a shoeing rather than moderate and control the show, as will always happen when it’s 4 against 1.

Can’t understand why RTE management haven’t acted to ensure professional performance in these programmes.

17-05-2021 6:05pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Correct and right…. Can I refer again to Today on BBC R4.

That's true but Katie Hannon's programme (I think always) has a panel of contributors, which Today or PM never do. Might be fairer to compare Katie Hannon to "Any Questions?". The latter is robust enough but admittedly, the host never has to raise his voice over the contributors.

It must be a BBC rule that they warn contributors not to raise their voices. RTE clearly doesn't impose any such rule, they seem to think it's entertainment.

Brendan Bendar · 17-05-2021 8:01pm

A Lamb Named Miltiades! wrote: »

That's true but Katie Hannon's programme (I think always) has a panel of contributors, which Today or PM never do. Might be fairer to compare Katie Hannon to "Any Questions?". The latter is robust enough but admittedly, the host never has to raise his voice over the contributors.

It must be a BBC rule that they warn contributors not to raise their voices. RTE clearly doesn't impose any such rule, they seem to think it's entertainment.

Yes you are correct there, in fairness.

In a way it’s the line up which causes the problem, usually four against one.

I’d blame the producer for that and Hannon for constantly allowing the discussion to degenerate into a shouting match which is totally unintelligible .

mzungu · 17-05-2021 11:19pm

I wouldn't blame Katie for the behaviour of her guests (I think she does a great job on the show). The buck stops here with RTE themselves. If people are contacting them to let them know how annoying it is, then they really should act on it.

mariaalice · 18-05-2021 8:23am

All discussion radio has turned into a sort of boxing match, the presenter will say we have diddley dum expert/ commentator/politician and on the other side we have dum diddley expert/ commentator/ politician, now fight it our.

generally, the narrative is right v left, employer v employee, public service v the rest, conservative v liberal and so on.

What annoys me is the pretence it's journalism when clearly it's not, it is entertainment discussed as journalism. I turn off its two commentators politicians fighting it, out but will listen if its an explanation of the issue

18-05-2021 9:15am

mzungu wrote: »

I wouldn't blame Katie for the behaviour of her guests (I think she does a great job on the show). The buck stops here with RTE themselves. If people are contacting them to let them know how annoying it is, then they really should act on it.

I don't think anyone is going to start a letter-writing campaign though. I've heard broadcasters — Claire Byrne comes to mind — address texters' frustrations. They know it's an issue.

Byrne has in the past cut people's mics off for talking over one another. It should happen more often. The disruption tends not go happen with Pat Kenny, it always happened with Sean O'Rourke. It rarely happened with Audrey Carville on Late Debate, it always happened with Cormac O hEadhra on panel programmes.

I generally disagree with the criticism that broadcasters get for what is a production by a whole team of producers and broadcast staff, and indeed management. But this is one area where the responsibility is theirs. Their main task is to facilitate a discussion where guests get their point across. It isn't really the production team's job to manage that.

I like KH as a broadcaster, especially her investigative work, but some broadcasters tolerate a lot more shouting than others.

mariaalice · 18-05-2021 9:25am

A Lamb Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I don't think anyone is going to start a letter-writing campaign, I've heard broadcasters — Clairr Byrne especially — address texters' frustrations. She has in the past cut people off for talking over one another. That's rare, though.

I generally disagree with the criticism that broadcasters get for what is a production by a whole team of producers and broadcast staff, and indeed management. But this is one area where the responsibility is theirs. Their main task is to facilitate a discussion where guests get their point across. It isn't really the production team's job to manage that.

I like KH as a broadcaster, especially her investigative work, but some broadcasters tolerate a lot more shouting than others.

However, the recent controversy over the investment company buying the whole estate, I personally do not want to here want Labour or SF think of the matter except in a minor way.

I would like a discussion of genuine non-political experts and property developers discussing the issue and why it has come about and how it can be solved.

EmmetSpiceland · 18-05-2021 9:47am

mariaalice wrote: »

However, the recent controversy over the investment company buying the whole estate, I personally do not want to here want Labour or SF think of the matter except in a minor way.

I would like a discussion of genuine non-political experts and property developers discussing the issue and why it has come about and how it can be solved.

That’s the problem, they always get two sides on and all you get is mud slinging. Getting “experts” on, even ones with opposing views, leads to more discussion and less finger pointing.

mzungu · 18-05-2021 9:02pm

A Lamb Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I don't think anyone is going to start a letter-writing campaign though. I've heard broadcasters — Claire Byrne comes to mind — address texters' frustrations. They know it's an issue.

Byrne has in the past cut people's mics off for talking over one another. It should happen more often. The disruption tends not go happen with Pat Kenny, it always happened with Sean O'Rourke. It rarely happened with Audrey Carville on Late Debate, it always happened with Cormac O hEadhra on panel programmes.

I generally disagree with the criticism that broadcasters get for what is a production by a whole team of producers and broadcast staff, and indeed management. But this is one area where the responsibility is theirs. Their main task is to facilitate a discussion where guests get their point across. It isn't really the production team's job to manage that.

I like KH as a broadcaster, especially her investigative work, but some broadcasters tolerate a lot more shouting than others.

Those are fair points. I wouldn't blame the production team either btw. I think the way to go is a blanket decision from the upper echelons RTE that, no matter what the show, if the guests start behaving like a pair of drunks squaring up to each other outside the chippy at 3am, then the mics go off. Period. No matter what the show.

Once everybody starting singing off the same hymn sheet, I think there would be a significant improvement.

It would be nice if elected representatives could behave, but as things are likely to get more polarised in the years to come, it might be best for RTE to lay down the law sooner rather than later.

mariaalice · 19-05-2021 8:51am

mzungu wrote: »

Those are fair points. I wouldn't blame the production team either btw. I think the way to go is a blanket decision from the upper echelons RTE that, no matter what the show, if the guests start behaving like a pair of drunks squaring up to each other outside the chippy at 3am, then the mics go off. Period. No matter what the show.

Once everybody starting singing off the same hymn sheet, I think there would be a significant improvement.

It would be nice if elected representatives could behave, but as things are likely to get more polarised in the years to come, it might be best for RTE to lay down the law sooner rather than later.

They are in competition with Newstalk for ratings and Newstalk whip up the drama so RTE is dragged along, Kieran Cuddihy does it quite well ,enough knowing cynicism along with giving them enough rope to hang themselfs and cause a bit of row before cutting them.

I would say a contract is very linked to listeners on Newstalk so that shapes content.

touts · 22-05-2021 1:13pm

Two Trots and a Meaningless Junior Minister again.

Katie doing her best to get Niall Collins to end his political career love on air by announcing a new lockdown in his own constituency.

Infoanon · 22-05-2021 1:21pm

touts wrote: »

Two Trots and a Meaningless Junior Minister again.

Katie doing her best to get Niall Collins to end his political career love on air by announcing a new lockdown in his own constituency.

Katie asked the obvious follow up question to what the GP said about cases hitting 500 a day in Limerick by next week at the current infection rate....

touts · 22-05-2021 1:27pm

Niall Collins put Roisin Shorthall back in her box pointing out that she didn't have the stomach for the hard decisions of government and ran out of it after a couple of months when she was in power.

This could get fiesty

RINO87 · 22-05-2021 1:29pm

Niall Collins is an absolute dose....

22-05-2021 1:31pm

With the vaccination roll-out Covid is not hospitalising people in any great numbers. However, it is inevitable that with any substantial rise in cases there is going to be a modest rise in hospitalisation with potentially dire consequences on services stretched by the cyber-catastrophe.

touts · 22-05-2021 1:34pm

RINO87 wrote: »

Niall Collins is an absolute dose....

They all are. This used to be the premier political show of the week with the best politicians in the country taking part. Now its Vauxhall conference with political castoffs.

Dempo1 · 22-05-2021 1:35pm

touts wrote: »

Niall Collins put Roisin Shorthall back in her box pointing out that she didn't have the stomach for the hard decisions of government and ran out of it after a couple of months when she was in power.

This could get fiesty

He clearly did not, he got quite a spanking from David Cullinan, very simple question, who's in Charge Niall Collins???

Dempo1 · 22-05-2021 1:38pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

With the vaccination roll-out Covid is not hospitalising people in any great numbers. However, it is inevitable that with any substantial rise in cases there is going to be a modest rise in hospitalisation with potentially dire consequences on services stretched by the cyber-catastrophe.

Doesn't bare thinking about, a rise in hospitalisations with the current crippled Hospital system, I know its unlikely but still a horrific thought

Dempo1 · 22-05-2021 1:42pm

Re travel, did I hear on the news at one, Germany banning all visitors from UK because of variants?

Infoanon · 22-05-2021 1:45pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

Re travel, did I hear on the news at one, Germany banning all visitors from UK because of variants?

Announced last night by the German government, headline news on the BBC but being ignored by Irish media.

Ban in place from tomorrow due to the Indian environment.

Dempo1 · 22-05-2021 1:46pm

Infoanon wrote: »

Announced last night by the German government, headless news on the BBC but being ignored by Irish media.

Ban in place from tomorrow due to the Indian environment.

I thought I misheard, quite a move, thanks

I presume you meant variant, not environment

22-05-2021 1:48pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

Doesn't bare thinking about, a rise in hospitalisations with the current crippled Hospital system, I know its unlikely but still a horrific thought

I had a weird nightmare last night which seems to have been inspired by this, where I was working (I think) as a hospital porter. I was wheeling lots of patients to an operating theatre run by a vet (inspired by watching DSPCA!) and bits (limbs etc) of them kept falling off on the way, I was stressing trying to pick them up, by they couldn't be reassembled by the surgeon/vet as the parts didn't match up due to lack of decryption key. The surgeon and staff were laughing at me for even thinking anything could be done and I was tearing strips off them for their attitude!

Cluedo Monopoly · 22-05-2021 1:50pm

RINO87 wrote: »

Niall Collins is an absolute dose....

Agreed but Cullinane is very difficult to listen to. Always has been.

Dempo1 · 22-05-2021 1:51pm

What part of the tourism industry fecked for this year, are politicians not getting, its too late, far to late, domestic tourism will not sustain this industry. It will be 2022 at this stage I'm afraid.

Saturday with Katie Hannon

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