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  • 29-05-2018 10:50am
    #1
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭


    TWO POLICE OFFICERS have been shot dead in the Belgian city of Liege.
    A gunman also shot a bystander and two other people have been wounded.
    Public broadcaster RTBF is reporting that the man is now dead.
    It said the gunman fled the scene, taking a cleaning woman hostage at a nearby school, but he was later “neutralised”.


    http://www.thejournal.ie/two-police-officers-shot-belguim-4042041-May2018/


    Latest reports indicating he took the gun from one of the officers before shooting them both and a bystander. All three dead.


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  • #2
    cfuserkildare
    Registered Users Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭cfuserkildare


    Yet another shooting in Belgium,

    2 police dead, 2 bystanders dead!

    Will they never learn that Integration Does Not Work???

    History has proven time and again that there are Too many cultural differences between North Western Celtic nations and the Arab/North African nations for integration to work properly!


    Opinions please?


  • #3
    Malayalam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    It seems to me from the reading of it that the hostage situation took place after he had killed the policemen and bystander. So, I don't know - did the person just grab a gun out of a police man's holster and start shooting? Crazy to think.


  • #4
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    cfuserkildare wrote: »

    Opinions please?

    Yeah, I wonder what your opinion is when a school shooting happens, do you blame immigration then too?


  • #5
    Mint Sauce
    Registered Users Posts: 29,294 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    cfuserkildare wrote: »
    Yet another shooting in Belgium,

    2 police dead, 2 bystanders dead!

    Will they never learn that Integration Does Not Work???

    History has proven time and again that there are Too many cultural differences between North Western Celtic nations and the Arab/North African nations for integration to work properly!


    Opinions please?

    I dont remember bombings and shootings in Tooting SW London in the late 80s and early 90s, when you had a mix of White English and Irish, Black, Muslims, Pakistani, etc, etc, where you had a Mosque, a Synagogue, a Catholic, and CoE Church, all within a 10 minute walk of wach other.

    Intergration can work, where people have repect with each others cultures. The problem is now, people want you to feel alienated, and offended, just because of the actions of a few.


  • #6
    coffee_cake
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Yeah, I wonder what your opinion is when a school shooting happens, do you blame immigration then too?

    Even when it's not the foreigners, it's the foreigners.

    We should have a thread about the Mali migrant who got citizenship for saving a child


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  • #7
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,727 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    cfuserkildare wrote: »
    Yet another shooting in Belgium,

    2 police dead, 2 bystanders dead!

    Will they never learn that Integration Does Not Work???

    History has proven time and again that there are Too many cultural differences between North Western Celtic nations and the Arab/North African nations for integration to work properly!


    Opinions please?

    Belgium is a vastly multicultural country and has been for some time. You're talking nonsense


  • #8
    inforfun
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    It is low blood sugar season after all.
    Took long, this year


    Edit:

    "Known" to the police
    Released from jail yesterday.
    Allegedly shouting the usual fairy iin the sky is so great message.


  • #9
    Amalgam
    Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    Intergration can work, where people have repect with each others cultures. The problem is now, people want you to feel alienated, and offended, just because of the actions of a few.

    Wahhabism does not encourage respect of others, it does not want to integrate with Jews, Hindus etc.

    A generation of people with a low skill set and education are being taught that, their religion means everyone else should get on their knees, or else..


  • #10
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    cfuserkildare wrote: »
    Yet another shooting in Belgium,

    2 police dead, 2 bystanders dead!

    Will they never learn that Integration Does Not Work???

    History has proven time and again that there are Too many cultural differences between North Western Celtic nations and the Arab/North African nations for integration to work properly!


    Opinions please?

    You show no concern for the victims or their families;? just sensationalising?


  • #11
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    It seems that a certain subset of posters, pretty much jump to there agenda any time this kind of thing happens, and if it turns out there wrong, they will either disappear or double down on being wrong.


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  • #12
    Irish Praetorian
    Registered Users Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    Speaking as someone who has admittedly quite conservative views on migration, I have to ask is it that hard to wait until details come out before jumping into particular arguments. One of two things has happened;

    1. Its not terror related, in which case jumping onto the issue makes you look like an irrational one trick nut.

    2. It is terror related, in which case you can still make your argument but you cant be accused of junping to conclusions.

    Also, while Im here, if it turns out to be a banal act of criminality or a "home grown" terrorist, try to avoid the schadenfreude of "see it happens to everyone". It just looks smug and tacky.


  • #13
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,430 ✭✭✭weisses


    Weepsie wrote: »
    Belgium is a vastly multicultural country and has been for some time. You're talking nonsense

    Multiculturalism doesn't automatically mean proper integration ... as is evidenced in all major European cities


  • #14
    Mint Sauce
    Registered Users Posts: 29,294 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    Amalgam wrote: »
    Wahhabism does not encourage respect of others, it does not want to integrate with Jews, Hindus etc.

    A generation of people with a low skill set and education are being taught that, their religion means everyone else should get on their knees, or else..

    Who do we blame for that though. Even now, in the 2010s, I would still happily walk down the same Tooting High Street, and do most times I am over, without any fear. People want you to be scared, if you are scared, their agenda is working.


  • #15
    Kolido
    Registered Users Posts: 13,358 ✭✭✭✭Kolido


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Even when it's not the foreigners, it's the foreigners.

    We should have a thread about the Mali migrant who got citizenship for saving a child


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057876631


  • #16
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    I'm gonna be really blunt here and horribly insensitive - but what the f*ck?

    Honestly, look at the difference between reactions here when it's a school shooting by a white male and a shooting done by an immigrant* who "failed to integrate"?

    They are both crimes, done by sick, sick individuals and there is absolutely no need or reason to push personal racial agendas on the matter.

    Literally all threads like this somehow end up extreme Muslim bashing whereas there's nowhere near the amount of vitriol when it's a young school shooter off his rocker in the US?


  • #17
    coffee_cake
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    Kolido wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057876631

    Ah, brilliant. Cheers


  • #18
    Amalgam
    Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    Who do we blame for that though. Even now, in the 2010s, I would still happily walk down the same Tooting High Street, and do most times I am over, without any fear. People want you to be scared, if you are scared, their agenda is working.

    Saudi Arabia is paying people a living wage to attend particular mosques in parts of the former Yugoslavia and the Balkans. A strong incentive in typically very very poor communities.

    Spain, the Middle Ages, Muslims, Jews, Christians could live alongside each other because the commercial dynamic was different, they, typically, depended on each other for aspects of life their religion forbade. This is no longer the case.

    EDIT: Attacks are overwhelmingly a 'Sunni problem' too.


  • #19
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users Posts: 43,024 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Must be an absolute nightmare trying to run an armed robbery business in France and Belgium in the current climate


  • #20
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 17,838 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    eat a snackbar you're not yourself when you're hungry

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #21
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    An aśśhole with a gun is an aśśhole with a gun.

    He can claim religion as the motivation, or he can claim his boss was a prick and that made him do it, or he could have been spurned by some woman.

    His main reason is that he is an aśśhole.


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  • #22
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,430 ✭✭✭weisses


    Killer is Bejamin Herman ... Belgium national

    On leave from prison

    Its reported He radicalized in prison where he was held for non terror crime


  • #23
    tomofson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    Rabs on the rampage, sponsored by (((gods chosen people))).


  • #24
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    tomofson wrote: »
    Rabs on the rampage, sponsored by (((gods chosen people))).

    Stay classy.


  • #25
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    https://www.rtbf.be/info/societe/detail_l-auteur-de-la-fusillade-a-liege-etait-en-conge-penitentiaire-depuis-lundi?id=9930716 (translated)
    Benjamin Herman, from Rochefort, was 36 years old (born in 1982). He was well known to the police for theft, damage to public property and small drug trafficking. The offender was found to be very violent and was sentenced, among other things, for drug trafficking.

    His psychological profile was considered "unstable". A "difficult" youth is evoked. He had no contact with his family.

    Reported for another fact on the night of Monday to Tuesday. Last night he allegedly committed a crime in the province of Luxembourg.

    The shooting in Liege follows a police check that went wrong. The man allegedly used a cutter and seized the weapon of one of the two policemen.


  • #26
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Amalgam wrote: »
    Wahhabism The user Amalgam does not encourage respect of others, it does not want to integrate with Jews, Hindus etc.

    Fixed your post. there was a subtext that was going unsaid.


  • #27
    tomofson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Stay classy.

    Stay sleeping.


  • #28
    Amalgam
    Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    Grayson wrote: »
    Fixed your post. there was a subtext that was going unsaid.

    Keep being an apologist. The AGS are keeping you safe as I type.

    I went to a College with a Jewish curriculum, I have no problem with Hindus. Cheers.


  • #29
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    tomofson wrote: »
    Stay sleeping.

    Fancy throwing out sheeple now, or do you want to save that one for later on?


  • #30
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Billy86 wrote: »
    https://www.rtbf.be/info/societe/detail_l-auteur-de-la-fusillade-a-liege-etait-en-conge-penitentiaire-depuis-lundi?id=9930716 (translated)

    Ok Mods. Close this one down and chalk it up to yet another alleged but subsequently unproven case of "multiculturalism won't work".

    We await to do it all again when someone else jumps the gun on another incident in Europe or the US. (no morbid pun intended).


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  • #31
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Amalgam wrote: »
    Keep being an apologist. The AGS are keeping you safe as I type.

    I went to a College with a Jewish curriculum, I have no problem with Hindus. Cheers.

    Ah - the old "I'm not racist, I've a mate that's black" defence. Gotcha ;)


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