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New York Giants Thread
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20-03-2012 11:28am#1
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wonderboysam wrote: »giants suck!
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As a Giants fan i'll counter with Superbowl XLVI!!!!!
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Weatherford has signed new long term deal
Steve Weatherford, P, Giants. Age: 29. Re-signed with Giants (5 years, $12.75 million)
Which is great. He was fantastic last season. Agree Bennett is a good signing. 1yr deal, great potential but if he doesnt work out nothing lost. Dont mind who we draft in the 1st round as long as it isn't a running back.0 -
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Saw this in Pats forum so decided to stick it in for Giants.
Offense
QB: Eli Manning (nuff said), David Carr looks excellent holding a clip board
HB: Needs to be addressed in the draft (not 1st round), Bradshaw is excellent but cant stay fit an entire season. Ware & Scott are 3rd choice backs at best.
FB: Hynosarus. What a great rookie year. Pass catching FB who is good in run blocking.
WR: We prob need depth here and a mid/late round pick be no bad thing. Nicks and Cruz are stars. Jerrnigan, Barden, Hixon are not good enough to be 3rd string.
TE: Signed Martellus Bennett- Prob ok if Ballard & Beckum get back fit.
OT: Massive need and expect multiple draft choices for the O-line overall. Beatty & Brewer slated to start (shiver)
OG: Again help needed. Boothe looks capable but Diehl and Snee should be gone.
C: I'd like to draft a guy as i dont think Baas is up to it. But other needs will take priority. Boothe is a good relief as back-up centre.
Defense:
DE: Our biggest strength but a mid/late round project player be no harm as Osi's situation is up in the Air.
DT: Doesnt really need to be addressed but never underestimate how much Coughlin loves his D-Line players.
OLB: Sigh
Kiwanuka and rookie Williams both seem to be good at rushin the QB. Lost in coverage. Badly need to address he positon
MLB: Sigh Things are bad when you sign a maths teacher mid-way through the season to be your starting MLB. To be fair to Blackburn he was excellent and his pick against Brady in the supebowl was vital. Still if an upgrade is there in the draft take it.
CB: Its hard to know, depends how Thomas bounces back from injury and Amukamara progresses. I'd nearly like to see someone drafted but its not vital and its a lesser need.
S: Rolle and Phillips are liabilities but are on big contracts and will stay in place. Couple of young back-ups with potential, Tyler Sash stands out
K&P: Weatherford and Tynes are fine. Tynes is slightly hit and miss but does the job. Weatherford had a pro-bowl season and has been rewarded;
Draft Needs: (to be addressed in 1st 3 rounds)
Primary Need: O-Line, young blood is needed if only to push the guys who are there so long. A guard who has potential to play RT would be perfect.
OLB: Someone who is not totally and utterly lost in coverage would be such a novelty for the Giants.
MLB: Copy and Paste above
Obviously the Superbowl run showed what the team is capable of but only a fool would overlook the flaws exposed during the 9-7 season (6 of the wins were 4th quarter comebacks) Brandon Jacobs & Mario Manningham are the 2 big name departures.0 -
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As a Pats fan this post might seem quite strange for you guys. But I could never understand the Eli Manning is he/isn't he an elite quarterback debate. He might have thrown 25 interceptions in the 2010 season, but I have always regarded him as an elite quarterback. So I wasn't surprised when he confimed it against us
. Not that the Pats helped themselves in that game. But I have always liked Manning and the cool, calm presence he projects on the field. 0 -
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Saw this in Pats forum so decided to stick it in for Giants.
Offense
QB: Eli Manning (nuff said), David Carr looks excellent holding a clip board
HB: Needs to be addressed in the draft (not 1st round), Bradshaw is excellent but cant stay fit an entire season. Ware & Scott are 3rd choice backs at best.
FB: Hynosarus. What a great rookie year. Pass catching FB who is good in run blocking.
WR: We prob need depth here and a mid/late round pick be no bad thing. Nicks and Cruz are stars. Jerrnigan, Barden, Hixon are not good enough to be 3rd string.
TE: Signed Martellus Bennett- Prob ok if Ballard & Beckum get back fit.
OT: Massive need and expect multiple draft choices for the O-line overall. Beatty & Brewer slated to start (shiver)
OG: Again help needed. Boothe looks capable but Diehl and Snee should be gone.
C: I'd like to draft a guy as i dont think Baas is up to it. But other needs will take priority. Boothe is a good relief as back-up centre.
Defense:
DE: Our biggest strength but a mid/late round project player be no harm as Osi's situation is up in the Air.
DT: Doesnt really need to be addressed but never underestimate how much Coughlin loves his D-Line players.
OLB: Sigh Kiwanuka and rookie Williams both seem to be good at rushin the QB. Lost in coverage. Badly need to address he positon
MLB: Sigh Things are bad when you sign a maths teacher mid-way through the season to be your starting MLB. To be fair to Blackburn he was excellent and his pick against Brady in the supebowl was vital. Still if an upgrade is there in the draft take it.
CB: Its hard to know, depends how Thomas bounces back from injury and Amukamara progresses. I'd nearly like to see someone drafted but its not vital and its a lesser need.
S: Rolle and Phillips are liabilities but are on big contracts and will stay in place. Couple of young back-ups with potential, Tyler Sash stands out
K&P: Weatherford and Tynes are fine. Tynes is slightly hit and miss but does the job. Weatherford had a pro-bowl season and has been rewarded;
Draft Needs: (to be addressed in 1st 3 rounds)
Primary Need: O-Line, young blood is needed if only to push the guys who are there so long. A guard who has potential to play RT would be perfect.
OLB: Someone who is not totally and utterly lost in coverage would be such a novelty for the Giants.
MLB: Copy and Paste above
Obviously the Superbowl run showed what the team is capable of but only a fool would overlook the flaws exposed during the 9-7 season (6 of the wins were 4th quarter comebacks) Brandon Jacobs & Mario Manningham are the 2 big name departures.
Personally i think Rivers' biggest problem is staying fit ...he has talent and is easily worth a fifth round pick , he has Pro-Bowl talent but has only managed a season of games in 3 years.
As to your draft expectations ,
RB - the draft is deep at this position , Martin and Miller are 2nd rounders and Polk is a 3rd rounder imo so Jerry Reese will not draft them until those spots
WR - i think a Sanu or a Toon could be a 3rd rounder for instance but the elite recievers are not that elite but the depth is good
TE- i think if Fleener is there at pick 32 , Jerry Reese will take a long hard look. Bennett is a back-up . one of the injured tight ends maybe doesnt see 2012 and the other is more of a blocker
OT - Very hard to draft for , Kalil is not a Joe Thomas, even Reilly Reiff is not a Nate Solder. Martin and Mike Adams all will give away sacks . Very hard to draft these guys . The majority figure to be busts, swing-tackles or demoted to Guards. Bob Massie should be looked at seriously with the 32nd pick or trade up in the 2nd round if still available
OG - I did a mock recently and i could see Peter Konz still available if Baltimore took Mike Adams at Tackle ...just a thought ...again trading up in the second for Osemele is an idea . Ye are scarily thin at Guard ...maybe worse than tackle
C - again a fair fall off from Konz to Jones & Brewster ...they are 3rd rounder , Baas isnt brilliant but he beats gambling with a 3rd rounder unless the guy can play the guard position
DT & DE - fair strength there and fair depth in the draft ...if a star falls to them in the draft ...maybe
Linebackers , O/M/I- this draft is funny with a lot of depth ...i like Bruce Irvin and Zach Browne ...good motors and hard workers
Secondary - Barron is the only 1st round talent and he isnt a superstar....a falling Markelle Martin in the 4th round and couple him with Sash and phase out the starters over time may be a plan. Rolle has some time left in the tank
I think Cornerback is a need. The Giants have no significant playing time from Prince N. and Thomas is coming off an injury . If Janoris Jenkins sits at the end of the first day or Stephon Gilmore , they would have to think about it (Gilmore wont , i have going to Tennessee , the Pats and the Giants if they arent scared off by the serious bad-boy behaviour would ahve to see value in trading back in to the top of the second round for Jenkins0 -
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I agree Rivers issue is fitness thats why i dont really get it? What you read about the Goff situation? Big Blue View were saying that it was a disagreement over contract offer.
Janoris Jenkins has 3 arrests. I think its a huge risk if you draft him in the 1st with that sort of record.
Yea the Giants have came out and said Sash will have a bigger role this year which is great. Rolle is ok but not for the contract he is on.
WR is fine and i'd even wait till the 4th and try maybe get Tommy Streeter (big fan
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I just dont see the attraction of fleener in the 1st. If you wanted a TE i'd rather take a later pick on someone like Ladarius Green who I will be a great value pick for someone.
What would you think of taking a safety in the 2nd. Brandon Taylor from LSU is a very good talent. Overshadowed by Peterson, Clairborne and the Honeybadger but could be an excellent player in his own right.0
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