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2018-2027 National Development Plan

  • 24-01-2018 9:24pm
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    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Given the fact that the announcement of this plan is just around the corner in addition to the National Planning Framework being published this is a really important plan for roads funding and the future, hence the new thread.

    This plan sets out investment priorities out to 2027/8 and will define the future of roadbuilding in Ireland for the next decade.

    The status of the current Capital Plan (out to 2022) is as follows:

    Schemes with planning:

    * N4 Collooney to Castlebaldwin - tender, to start 2018
    * N5 Westport to Turlough - to start 2021
    * M7 Naas/Newbridge bypass - under construction
    * N8/N25/N40 Dunkettle Interchange - to start Q1 2019
    * N22 Macroom to Ballyvourney - to start Q1 2020
    * N56 Mountcharles to Inver - Phase 1 start 2018, Phase 2 start 2020
    * N56 Dungloe-Glenties - 2/6 parts open, 1/6 at tender, 3/6 parts at planning
    * N59 Moycullen bypass - to start 2021

    Schemes pending planning:

    * N2 Slane bypass - at route selection stage
    * N6 Galway City Ring Road - planning submission Q1 2018, ready to go 2021
    * M21 Adare to Rathkeale to Foynes - planning submission Q1 2018
    * M28 Cork to Ringaskiddy - planning decision pending
    * N72/N73 Mallow Relief Road - route selection

    Beyond this, there are a number of pipeline schemes that will likely feature in the plan:

    Additional schemes with planning:

    * N52 Ardee bypass - to start 2018
    * N59 Westport-Mulranny - being done in parts
    * N69 Listowel bypass - to start before 2021
    * N86 Tralee-Dingle - being done in parts

    Additional active schemes pending planning:

    * N2 Ardee-Castleblayney - pending
    * N2 Clontibret-NI border - pending
    * N5 Ballaghaderreen-Scramoge - planning decision pending
    * N11/M11 Bray to Kilmacanogue - feasibility study
    * N13/N56 Letterkenny DC upgrade + relief road- planning
    * N14 Letterkenny to Lifford - planning
    * N15 Ballybofey/Stranorlar bypass - planning
    * N20 Cork-Limerick - route selection and design
    * N55 Athlone-Ballymahon - feasibility study

    Additional schemes pending full reactivation/at pre appraisal stage:

    * N2 Ashbourne-Kilmoon Cross
    * N3 Virginia bypass
    * N4 Carrick-on-Shannon to Dromod
    * N4 Mullingar-Roosky
    * N11/N25 Oilgate-Rosslare Harbour
    * N14/N15 to A5 Link
    * N17 Knock to Tobercurry
    * N17 Collooney-Tobercurry
    * N21 Abbeyfeale relief road
    * N21 Newcastlewest relief road
    * N22 Farranfore to Killarney
    * N24 Cahir to Waterford
    * N24 Cahir-Limerick Junction
    * N25 Waterford-Glenmore
    * N25 Carrigtwohill-Midleton
    * N40 Cork North Ring Road
    * N52 Tullamore-Kilbeggan

    The bulk of the plan will likely be from the above. Alan Kelly and others have been shouting about ensuring the projects in the new plan are fully appraised and that there are no undeserving political inclusions. All above projects are currently undergoing appraisal to ensure that they are compatible for inclusion in the Capital Plan, although I can't see any of them that would be rejected simply due to the fact that all are fairly to the point are not "vanity projects" by any defintion of the term.

    There are over 100 minor schemes in planning which may feature due to their large "bang for your buck" element, mainly on national secondaries.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭mickmmc


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/regional-plans-city-bias-sparks-rural-uprising-36519796.html

    A row has developed over the National Planning Framework which is due to be launched at the same time as the 10 Year Investment Plan.

    The rural TDs feel that the NDP 2040 is too city focused.

    Also, Fergus O' Dowd has stated that he could lose his seat if Drogheda is not granted city status; he said he is being told that by constituents at the doorsteps. Down the road, Senator O' Reilly wants city status for Swords. Also, Sligo is looking for city status.

    The Capital Plan could be delayed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donegal Storm


    Yes because the 'one for everyone in the audience' approach to urban planning has worked wonders in the past :rolleyes:

    Drogheda and Swords are commuter towns, Sligo is no more a city than Letterkenny or Athlone. It's encouraging to hear that the new plan is urban focused but no doubt we'll end up with a watered down version that tries to please every dead end village in the country.

    Hopefully FG have the bottle to push it through


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Aside from the political elements, there desperately needs to be ambition in this plan. There was zero ambition in the last plan, just a few disconnected shovel ready schemes, being progressed at a rate of 1 or so per year.

    The 2016-2022 Capital Plan allocates €730m for the capital spend on national roads during this time. There was minor increases to this in the review to include the Ardee bypass, Listowel bypass and planning money for Cork-Limerick.

    Back during the Transport 21 days, there was months were €500m PER MONTH was being spent on roads. This was indicative of the mindset at the time and we will never see the likes again.

    There is, however, a happy medium. We should be seeing the 8 projects in the Capital Plan being built every 18 months or so. There is such a backlog that it's causing poorly distributed economic growth because certain parts of the country are strangled because of the poor road infrastructure and the painful delays in getting them built.




  • marno21 wrote: »
    Back during the Transport 21 days, there was months were €500m PER MONTH was being spent on roads. This was indicative of the mindset at the time and we will never see the likes again.

    That was back when the boom times kept getting "boomier" due to the insanely over-heated property market and the mountain of stamp duty it created. Mindset had little to do with it imho, they had to use up the cash and mways were the best way to do it.

    Things are on a more sustainable footing now, as you point out, and there will be a steady stream of works for years to come albeit at a slower pace


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Yes indeed

    I believe under Transport21 there was around 1.5-2bn spend on capital roads spending annually. We are now averaging at 120m annually over the course of this new Capital Plan. There needs to be a middle ground with at least 4 schemes being done annually, there is too much of a backlog


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    marno21 wrote: »
    Yes indeed

    I believe under Transport21 there was around 1.5-2bn spend on capital roads spending annually. We are now averaging at 120m annually over the course of this new Capital Plan. There needs to be a middle ground with at least 4 schemes being done annually, there is too much of a backlog
    Even if roads spending as per the capital plan stayed the same, a massive increase in rail investment would be acceptable - Dublin needs an underground rail system now - Cork should get at least its own bus services if not one or two tram lines - Limerick should also be explored for light rail potential and Galway certainly needs its own tram line (this should be part of the M6 GCRR scheme). Also, the avoidance of inappropriate traffic calming on main urban roads could be seen as increased capacity by default (would cost absolutely nothing) - spend that money on new trains (or train refurbishment) instead!




  • As the motorways finish, capital will divert to other areas of infrastructure, rail, sea, air, bus etc

    That being said, light rail is not viable outside of the capital for at least another 20 years, double that in Galway and I say that as a Galway native


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    I would hope the entire DART Expansion plan is included, and some very low hanging fruit in Cork included (new stations, fleet expansion).

    In roads terms, there is a lot to be done. Alan Kelly quite rightly pointed out recently at how poorly accessible our ports are. The road infrastructure to Rosslare, Foynes and Ringaskiddy is very poor. There should be heavy upgrades of the N20, N24, N25, N28 (as programmed).

    Lot of regional access issues too, N15, N17, N20, N21, N22 etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,534 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    As the motorways finish, capital will divert to other areas of infrastructure, rail, sea, air, bus etc

    That being said, light rail is not viable outside of the capital for at least another 20 years, double that in Galway and I say that as a Galway native

    As the Dockland developments proceed in Cork and other projects such as the UCC / CIT Science Park, Eilton Dhopping Centre Redevelopment, City Gate 3 and the much vaunted Beamish Site go ahead, then a BRT line between Mahon and Ballincollig will be feasible. It should be built with future conversion to light rail in mind.

    City Centre - St Finbarrs Hospital - Douglas - Airport would be another future possible line.


  • Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    So...still no word on the updated Capital Plan due to be released with last October's budget? Anyone hear of any progress or firm dates?


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    So...still no word on the updated Capital Plan due to be released with last October's budget? Anyone hear of any progress or firm dates?

    Leo said yesterday they are still working on it and expect it to be published in the next few weeks

    My guess is that they had it finalised and certain TDs weren't happy about how many projects in their constituency were included - hence the delay


  • Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    marno21 wrote: »
    Leo said yesterday they are still working on it and expect it to be published in the next few weeks
    There'll be another election before it's published at this rate :blink:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,244 ✭✭✭sea12


    marno21 wrote: »
    Leo said yesterday they are still working on it and expect it to be published in the next few weeks

    My guess is that they had it finalised and certain TDs weren't happy about how many projects in their constituency were included - hence the delay

    Yes I think that was alluded to during the week when some politician can't remember his name was mentioning that it was being discussed at cabinet. Problem is with all the independents they all want something for their local area and it could become watered down very quickly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donegal Storm


    I'd really like to get behind Fine Gael given the general health of the economy but their chronic indifference to infrastructure is just depressing. As said above there could be another election before its even announced at this rate, at which point no doubt we'd scrap all the work done and pay millions to do it all over again.

    I'm still hopeful it might actually be an ambitious program worth the wait but the delay is symptomatic to how things have been for the past decade, lots of announcements and false dawns and nothing ever actually progressing at more than a snails pace


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/national-development-plan-to-commit-to-spending-115bn-1.3381395

    €115bn in the Capital Plan. Surely more for roads than the €730m given between 2016 and 2022.d


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Nidgeweasel


    What are the realistic prospects of the Virginia - Cavan road (N3) being done?


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    What are the realistic prospects of the Virginia - Cavan road (N3) being done?

    It's in the running for inclusion in this plan

    We'll hear for sure in the next few weeks


  • Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    According to the Times, next Friday (the 16th) will see a special Cabinet meeting in County Sligo to discuss the new capital plan (now officially named the National Development Plan) and the National Planning Framework. Both the NDP and NPF are now expected to be launched following that meeting. Can't wait to see what goodies are lined up. 


    Link (behind paywall, can be accessed with a private browser): https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/galway-cork-west-dublin-hospitals-to-come-under-capital-plan-1.3385852


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Tomorrows Times says that the N4 Mullingar-Longford is in the Capital Plan. Unclear if this will include the part to Rooskey.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donegal Storm


    In response to lobbying by rural TDs, the government will also announce on Friday that Athlone and Sligo are to be regional capitals for the midlands and the northwest, and it will promise to upgrade the N4 road from Mullingar to Longford to dual- carriageway standard.

    Drogheda, Dundalk and Letterkenny will be named as “designated centres for growth” to allay rural TDs’ complaints over a “city-centric” development framework. However, there will be no funding to extend the western rail corridor from Athenry to Claremorris or to lay a dual carriageway from Tuam to Letterkenny.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cork-limerick-motorway-will-hurt-the-regions-fkc09sr62


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  • Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    No funding for the road all the way from Tuam to Letterkenny, but hopefully we can expect the previously discussed improvements to the N17 from the N5 through county Sligo to the N4 to get the green light.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    No funding for the road all the way from Tuam to Letterkenny, but hopefully we can expect the previously discussed improvements to the N17 from the N5 through county Sligo to the N4 to get the green light.

    N17 Knock-Collooney was up for contention but no word yet if it made it in.

    The N15 Ballybofey/Stranorlar bypass was activated in late 2016 and will likely be included as it is active at the minute.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    2 days until this is published.

    So far we have the M20 confirmed and the N4 DC to Longford looks highly likely. That's about €1.1bn there, which is €400m more than the last Capital Plan in terms of projects. The projects that had planning money allocated in the last plan but no construction funding will also likely be funded (N2 Slane, N6 Galway, M21 Adare-Foynes, M28 & N72). Those projects will cost about another billion. The two N2 projects that were reactivated if included will account for another 400m or so. We're already at 2.5bn there including 3 mega projects which must raise the question of whether there will be PPPs or not.


  • Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    marno21 wrote: »
    The two N2 projects that were reactivated if included will account for another 400m or so.

    I think the N2 segments from the border to Ardee are definitely going to make it in. Considering Leo's repeated statements that he wants a motorway to the "north-west", the somewhat manufactured furore over rural Ireland (i.e. Donegal) being "neglected", and the fact that an FG government linking Derry to Dublin before Derry is even properly linked to Belfast would play well with Sinn Féin voters in the border regions, the stars are aligned for a major upgrade to N2 in the capital plan.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    marno21 wrote: »
    We're already at 2.5bn there including 3 mega projects which must raise the question of whether there will be PPPs or not.

    Surely the M20 is likely to be a PPP, particularly if some part of the NRR is included?


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Tomorrow's Examiner says that the new plan includes the M20 (wow!), the N86 Tralee (Camp) to Dingle, and the Macroom bypass (fully funded in the existing Capital Plan).


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,682 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    marno21 wrote: »
    Tomorrow's Examiner says that the new plan includes the M20 (wow!), the N86 Tralee (Camp) to Dingle, and the Macroom bypass (fully funded in the existing Capital Plan).

    So, no real surprises really. The latter two are already being done under the existing plan.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    markodaly wrote: »
    So, no real surprises really. The latter two are already being done under the existing plan.
    The N86 isn't in fairness, only 4km of it is being done at present as a minor safety scheme.

    The rest would be a welcome improvement.

    The lack of shovel ready schemes (or even schemes in planning) is an issue.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-from-the-atlantic-corridor-to-20000-school-places-how-the-116bn-investment-in-irelands-future-will-be-spent-36609590.html

    Tomorrow's Indo makes a vague reference to the Atlantic corridor being included - we'll find out in full tomorrow.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 87 ✭✭ Viviana Colossal Tracker


    If Limerick and Waterford are truly to be hubs, a fully upgraded type-2 DC N24 is a no brainer, right?


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