Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

Shefwedfan · 29-01-2020 8:51am

molloyjh wrote: »

Just looking at a first vs seconds is interesting.

1st Choice|2nd Choice
Cian Healy|Dave Kilcoyne
Rob Herring|Ronan Kelleher
Tadgh Furlong|Andrew Porter
Iain Henderson|Devin Toner
James Ryan|Ultan Dillane
CJ Stander|Peter O'Mahony
Josh van der Flier|Jack O'Donoghue
Caelan Doris|Max Deegan
|
Conor Murray|John Cooney
Jonathan Sexton|Ross Byrne
Jacob Stockdale|Keith Earls
Bundee Aki|Robbie Henshaw
Garry Ringrose|Chris Farrell
Andrew Conway|Dave Kearney
Jordan Larmour|Will Addison

Our second string backline actually looks good, given the injury to Carbery especially. But our second strong pack less so. I suppose if you factor in Leavy and Conans injuries that does improve things somewhat. But other than the front row the above isnt great. We will probably need to rely on the first choice guys staying fit really.

Stick in Ruddock at 6 and it would make it look a lot better

molloyjh · 29-01-2020 9:43am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Stick in Ruddock at 6 and it would make it look a lot better

Yeah but then you're dropping POM. Unless you transfer him across to 7 then it's probably much of a muchness in many ways, even considering the difference in form. It's a very inexperienced back row overall.

Clegg · 29-01-2020 10:09am

There's a new leadership group in the Ireland squad. Best is obviously gone, but so too is CJ. Ringrose, Ryan and Furlong are now in.

He has been encouraged by the early signs from his new Ireland leadership which includes experienced heads in Sexton, Munster captain Peter O’Mahony, and Ulster captain Iain Henderson, as well as the Leinster trio of James Ryan, Garry Ringrose, and Tadhg Furlong. Exiting are the retired Best and also back row CJ Stander.

https://www.the42.ie/furlong-ryan-leadership-ireland-sexton-4983868-Jan2020/?utm_source=shortlink

Shefwedfan · 29-01-2020 10:10am

molloyjh wrote: »

Yeah but then you're dropping POM. Unless you transfer him across to 7 then it's probably much of a muchness in many ways, even considering the difference in form. It's a very inexperienced back row overall.

Stick POM at 7.....

Ruddock POM Conan would be a good combo with Deegan on bench

moritz1234 · 29-01-2020 10:49am

molloyjh wrote: »

Just looking at a first vs seconds is interesting.

1st Choice|2nd Choice
Cian Healy|Dave Kilcoyne
Rob Herring|Ronan Kelleher
Tadgh Furlong|Andrew Porter
Iain Henderson|Devin Toner
James Ryan|Ultan Dillane
CJ Stander|Peter O'Mahony
Josh van der Flier|Jack O'Donoghue
Caelan Doris|Max Deegan
|
Conor Murray|John Cooney
Jonathan Sexton|Ross Byrne
Jacob Stockdale|Keith Earls
Bundee Aki|Robbie Henshaw
Garry Ringrose|Chris Farrell
Andrew Conway|Dave Kearney
Jordan Larmour|Will Addison

Our second string backline actually looks good, given the injury to Carbery especially. But our second strong pack less so. I suppose if you factor in Leavy and Conans injuries that does improve things somewhat. But other than the front row the above isnt great. We will probably need to rely on the first choice guys staying fit really.

Earls is injured but don't let the facts get in the way

prawnsambo · 29-01-2020 10:54am

moritz1234 wrote: »

Earls is injured but don't let the facts get in the way

Don't let the premise of his post pass you by. It's a depth chart based on who's in the Ireland camp. Injuries are irrelevant.

moritz1234 · 29-01-2020 11:06am

prawnsambo wrote: »

Don't let the premise of his post pass you by. It's a depth chart based on who's in the Ireland camp. Injuries are irrelevant.

Oh dear :rolleyes:

lawrencesummers · 29-01-2020 11:48am

prawnsambo wrote: »

Don't let the premise of his post pass you by. It's a depth chart based on who's in the Ireland camp. Injuries are irrelevant.

So why aren’t leavy and Conan in there again? If only he had mentioned why.

aloooof · 29-01-2020 11:52am

moritz1234 wrote: »

Earls is injured but don't let the facts get in the way

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So why aren’t leavy and Conan in there again? If only he had mentioned why.

Ah, lads. Not everything is a slight against Munster.

The 1st vs 2nd is based on the team that's been selected for Scotland.
Leavy and Conan are literally mentioned in the post! But weren't included in the table as they won't feature in the 6 Nations.

It's just a way of viewing the depth in camp. You're looking for insult where there is none.

kilns · 29-01-2020 11:57am

aloooof wrote: »

Ah, lads. Not everything is a slight against Munster.

The 1st vs 2nd is based on the team that's been selected for Scotland.
Leavy and Conan aren't included because they won't feature in this 6 Nations. And LEavy and Conan are literally mentioned in the post!

It's just a way of viewing the depth in camp. You're looking for insult where there is none.

Munster snowflakes

moritz1234 · 29-01-2020 11:57am

Earls is first choice and injured, simple as that.
After the Scotland game, if the others are outstanding, he may lose his first choice status. At the moment he is still first choice.

aloooof · 29-01-2020 11:58am

moritz1234 wrote: »

Earls is first choice and injured, simple as that.
After the Scotland game, if the others are outstanding, he may lose his first choice status. At the moment he is still first choice.

Unless you are actually Andy Farrell, you have no way of knowing if that's the case, injury or otherwise.

Interested Observer · 29-01-2020 12:00pm

moritz1234 wrote: »

Earls is first choice and injured, simple as that.
After the Scotland game, if the others are outstanding, he may lose his first choice status. At the moment he is still first choice.

It's really not simple as that. We have no idea if he's first choice or not anymore.

moritz1234 · 29-01-2020 12:01pm

aloooof wrote: »

Unless you are actually Andy Farrell, you have no way of knowing if that's the case, injury or otherwise.

Yes I do
Every time Earls is fit he is picked (i.e. First choice)
If that changes he is no longer first choice

Eod100 · 29-01-2020 12:02pm

So draw for next RWC made after November series. Not sure if this was always on the cards but deciding seedlings almost 3 years in advance of tournament seems daft! https://amp.rugbypass.com/news/world-rugby-have-just-put-added-pressure-on-teams-to-improve-their-results-in-2020/?__twitter_impression=true

kilns · 29-01-2020 12:03pm

moritz1234 wrote: »

Yes I do
Every time Earls is fit he is picked (i.e. First choice)
If that changes he is no longer first choice

But this is the first team this coach has picked :rolleyes:

aloooof · 29-01-2020 12:03pm

moritz1234 wrote: »

Yes I do
Every time Earls is fit he is picked (i.e. First choice)

Every time Earls was fit he was picked. Under a different coach.

moritz1234 wrote: »

If that changes he is no longer first choice

It has changed as we have a new coach.

prawnsambo · 29-01-2020 12:06pm

moritz1234 wrote: »

Earls is first choice and injured, simple as that.
After the Scotland game, if the others are outstanding, he may lose his first choice status. At the moment he is still first choice.

Oh dear.

Clegg · 29-01-2020 12:07pm

Appalling behaviour from fans of Ireland's third best province.

Interested Observer · 29-01-2020 12:08pm

CJ existing the leadership group is interesting. Seems all the back slapping etc doesn't hold much weight. Surprised enough at Ringrose and Furlong joining it too.

More I think about it, more disappointing the selection is really. He had to do something with the backrow but otherwise it's really just more of the same, and wouldn't be surprised if we saw him go back to the guys with that experience as the tournament goes on. Doris is going to have to tear it up or there'll be a clamour to drop him. Hopefully we do something other than just run into them with the ball at least.

Bogwoppit · 29-01-2020 12:24pm

Interested Observer wrote: »

CJ existing the leadership group is interesting. Seems all the back slapping etc doesn't hold much weight. Surprised enough at Ringrose and Furlong joining it too.

More I think about it, more disappointing the selection is really. He had to do something with the backrow but otherwise it's really just more of the same, and wouldn't be surprised if we saw him go back to the guys with that experience as the tournament goes on. Doris is going to have to tear it up or there'll be a clamour to drop him. Hopefully we do something other than just run into them with the ball at least.

I see Ringrose becoming the next captain over Ryan, he has the ability and leadership skills to do it and along with Ryan is probably the only guaranteed starter.

molloyjh · 29-01-2020 12:34pm

moritz1234 wrote: »

Earls is injured but don't let the facts get in the way

Jesus, what are you? 12?

Sangre · 29-01-2020 12:38pm

molloyjh wrote: »

Jesus, what are you? 12?

He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

thebaz · 29-01-2020 12:38pm

moritz1234 wrote: »

Yes I do
Every time Earls is fit he is picked (i.e. First choice)
If that changes he is no longer first choice

Life changes - time doesnt stand still - it is Earls now who must return to sensational form

[Deleted User] · 29-01-2020 12:38pm

aloooof wrote: »

Ah, lads. Not everything is a slight against Munster.

Ehhh... Speak for yourself

Bogwoppit · 29-01-2020 12:41pm

Great highlight on the Rugby World Cup Facebook page today of Earls and then O’Mahoney getting turned inside out by the Japanese wing.
O’Mahoney in particular is made look particularly poor but then again we know he doesn’t like making tackles.

awec · 29-01-2020 1:00pm

Closed for review.

lawrencesummers · 29-01-2020 8:16pm

Review concluded presumably?

Larbre34 · 29-01-2020 9:08pm

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnyway.

O'Driscoll on OTB there this evening making the very plausible argument that this Ireland squad, in particular the forward pack, is lacking a toerag, a thug, a hothead, a grappler, a street-fighter, an instigator, a lunatic, an enforcer, an agent provocateur.

Do we agree? If so do we see a Bakkies, a Burger, a Cudmore, a Johnson or even an O'Connell emerging from within this group? Will we need a physical talisman, a colossus to cause aggro in London and Paris?

yerrahbah · 29-01-2020 9:09pm

Earls is still Irelands best winger according to Drico, not sure how I feel about that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNOszVposl0

Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

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