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View Poll Results: Should nuts be banned in schools?
Yes - they should be banned 201 50.76%
No - the school, children and parents should accomodate 175 44.19%
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10-10-2019, 00:41   #256
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Yes I can .

That's like saying a child who isn't immunised gets sick and dies due to an underlying illnes because another child came to school sick ,

The child wouldn't be cast out or blamed how could you even think that
No it's not, illness happens there's bugs and viruses everywhere.

Actually you are quite correct, it's not the childs fault, I do apologise for suggesting that a child could be blamed.

If you as an adult, in full knowledge of a nut ban in your child's school, pack nuts into your child's lunchbox, resulting in the death of another child, you are the one to blame. You are the one that should be held accountable.
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Thanks for the share. I’ve had 3 this year, peanuts, cashews and coriander (of all ****ing things). 39yo & the closest I came to allergic reactions before this year was mild hayfever (which is now chronic).

The mass stupidity, brutish ignorance and lack of basic empathy of some of the posters on here should astonish me, but sadly doesn’t anymore.
I had two in the space of two months in my late 50's . I didnt know what caused the first one and took the same trigger a second time .Only becuase it was a common denominator did we realise what had caused it .,My trigger was a medication with a gastric coating on it and so the symptoms were delayed by 2 hours causing the confusion . I had taken that medication often throughout my life and one random Tuesday it caused a massive anaphylaxis . I was resuscitated , intubated and ventilated only because my neighbour drove me to a hospital only 10 minutes away .
The second time two Epipens kept me alive till I reached the hospital
For the ignorant on this thread i could write about the sheer terror and the horror in my head as I felt my life slipping away and hear an anaesthetist roaring for an instrument but it wont help the ignorant or the trolls unfortunately as they have not seen the hell a child could suffer .
No one who has could write such ignorant posts( I hope) .
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Did you actually read the post - if you have any experience in education settings and believe that would actually happen a child being directly blamed and ostracised for causing the death of another child .

Thanks whoring is what it is .


All I have said is that you can't provide a 100% sterile environment for children and adults with allergies and that's considered trolling ,
Who accused you of trolling?

I certainly didn't, I said there was in my opinion one poster who was a troll. If you took that up as me pointing the finger at you that's not my fault.
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If you as an adult, in full knowledge of a nut ban in your child's school, pack nuts into your child's lunchbox, resulting in the death of another child, you are the one to blame. You are the one that should be held accountable.
to what extent?

and how about the responsibility of the child with the dangerous allergy's parents?

i have to disagree with you completely tbh.

if a specific child has specific needs or subject to specific significant risk factors i sympathise but its ridiculous to demand full inclusion and accept none of those risks.

theres a balance
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We must consult our harbinger of morality on this issue

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It's because of the way children are brought up now that we have all these allergies. Kids these days are allergic to loads of things that was unheard of years ago. Nowadays kids are brought up in near sterile environments and their immune system doesn't acclimatise to various compounds and microbes and so becomes hypersensitive when they are exposed, often the hypersensitivity extends to common foods.
Whereas years ago, and when I was small in the 90's, kids were outside running about, growing up on farms and out in fields getting covered in muck and cow****, dust from hay and fields. I never heard of any of my rural friends or family having an allergy. It simply didn't exist in anywhere near the same numbers. And there were no such thing as creches when I was small. It was all a good clean(or not so clean) country upbringing. Plenty exposure to the aforementioned good clean dirt.

Nowadays loads of kids have severe allergies and they nearly all have a common background - non-rural upbringing by stressed parents. They are ferried everywhere and spend a good chunk of their young lives cattle herded into creches and preschools. It's all the environment, the excessive amount of cleaning and disinfection agents and the stressful conditions that kids are raised in nowadays. The muck junk food probably doesn't help either.
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My young child's new school has a nut ban.

It's really not an issue. No sweets allowed anyway.
Exactly. Same in my children's school. Really no big deal not sending nuts with them
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We must consult our harbinger of morality on this issue

If you are taking your morality from that guy!!

" .... in 2017 Louis CK admitted to several incidents of sexual misconduct which involved him masturbating in front of women".
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It's because of the way children are brought up now that we have all these allergies. Kids these days are allergic to loads of things that was unheard of years ago. Nowadays kids are brought up in near sterile environments and their immune system doesn't acclimatise to various compounds and microbes and so becomes hypersensitive when they are exposed, often the hypersensitivity extends to common foods.
Whereas years ago, and when I was small in the 90's, kids were outside running about, growing up on farms and out in fields getting covered in muck and cow****, dust from hay and fields. I never heard of any of my rural friends or family having an allergy. It simply didn't exist in anywhere near the same numbers. And there were no such thing as creches when I was small. It was all a good clean(or not so clean) country upbringing. Plenty exposure to the aforementioned good clean dirt.

Nowadays loads of kids have severe allergies and they nearly all have a common background - non-rural upbringing by stressed parents. They are ferried everywhere and spend a good chunk of their young lives cattle herded into creches and preschools. It's all the environment, the excessive amount of cleaning and disinfection agents and the stressful conditions that kids are raised in nowadays. The muck junk food probably doesn't help either.

Is this correlation a genuine causation? Or is this your opinion?
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to what extent?

and how about the responsibility of the child with the dangerous allergy's parents?

i have to disagree with you completely tbh.

if a specific child has specific needs or subject to specific significant risk factors i sympathise but its ridiculous to demand full inclusion and accept none of those risks.

theres a balance
So you would happily pack nuts into your child's lunchbox when there are literally 100's of alternatives?

If a child dies so be it. It's their fault /parents fault for sending them to school in the first place.
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It's because of the way children are brought up now that we have all these allergies. Kids these days are allergic to loads of things that was unheard of years ago. Nowadays kids are brought up in near sterile environments and their immune system doesn't acclimatise to various compounds and microbes and so becomes hypersensitive when they are exposed, often the hypersensitivity extends to common foods.
Whereas years ago, and when I was small in the 90's, kids were outside running about, growing up on farms and out in fields getting covered in muck and cow****, dust from hay and fields. I never heard of any of my rural friends or family having an allergy. It simply didn't exist in anywhere near the same numbers. And there were no such thing as creches when I was small. It was all a good clean(or not so clean) country upbringing. Plenty exposure to the aforementioned good clean dirt.

Nowadays loads of kids have severe allergies and they nearly all have a common background - non-rural upbringing by stressed parents. They are ferried everywhere and spend a good chunk of their young lives cattle herded into creches and preschools. It's all the environment, the excessive amount of cleaning and disinfection agents and the stressful conditions that kids are raised in nowadays. The muck junk food probably doesn't help either.
Where is your evidence for this? And "opinion" doesn't count. It's either the case or it isn't.

Only the 90s? Thought you were gonna say 60s or 70s. It's around the 90s that nut allergies became recognised.

Hayfever affected and affects rural kids.

This "back in mah day" Monty Python Four Yorkshiremen stuff from people in their 20s/early 30s is hilarious.

People were saying kids were mollycoddled in the 90s too.

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10-10-2019, 11:04   #267
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As I said before, while there are/is awareness of a lot of allergies now, it isn't necessarily true that they did not always exist. There has always been the possibility of a 'frail' child in a family, and many children died young without always an accurate diagnosis. I had an uncle - he would have been in his late 90s now if he had lived - who had a 'weak chest'. He had asthma, and if I recall correctly many potential soldiers in WWII were not accepted because they were asthmatic.

As the general health of the population improves and health services improve (and they have, despite complaints about health services) we become more aware of illnesses and issues and expect higher and higher standards, so that allergies are identified and named, unlike past situations where they were ignored and the person more or less had to put up with it, or mysteriously died of unspecified causes.
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I think it would be quite easy for a parent to genuinely make a mistake and send in something that could trigger an allergy.

Many items will themselves be nut free, and a parent may assume its safe, but if you look on the food label it will say "produced in the same factory as nut products" meaning there could be traces or cross-contamination. I assume that means these items have to be excluded too?
I don't think anywhere can be guaranteed 100% nut free, when allergens can be airborne.

Also, a kid might have had nutella on toast for breakfast, not wash their hands, and boom - classmate's allergy triggered by a touch from something eaten at home.
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I think it would be quite easy for a parent to genuinely make a mistake and send in something that could trigger an allergy.

Many items will themselves be nut free, and a parent may assume its safe, but if you look on the food label it will say "produced in the same factory as nut products" meaning there could be traces or cross-contamination. I assume that means these items have to be excluded too?
I don't think anywhere can be guaranteed 100% nut free, when allergens can be airborne.

Also, a kid might have had nutella on toast for breakfast, not wash their hands, and boom - classmate's allergy triggered by a touch from something eaten at home.
Yes of course genuine mistakes can happen.

However sending your child into school with a packet of peanuts, walnuts, hazelnuts etc isn't a mistake.

Infairness even without a ban I would be hesitant to send nuts to school as they are a choking hazard and I remember the amount of horseplay I got upto at lunch time and I was considered a quiet child. So I wouldn't risk it from that point of view.

Factories put loads of disclaimers on packaging to distance themselves from legal claims.
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What are you talking about?
I'm saying if you are Irish - as in all your forebears lived here going way back, you just simply should not be allergic to nuts, or milk for that matter. Nobody in Southern China is allergic to rice. It's puzzling that such freakish Irish kids exist and it is doubly puzzling that it all happens in just the last decade or two.

I was schooled in the 80s and 90s. In primary 200 kids with me. 600 in secondary. Wider circle of peers out of school in clubs etc. easily another 200. Not one person in those groups (stat. significant sample size of 1000) had any kind of reaction to eating nuts. This is new stuff here. Why?
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