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Peter Casey to contest the European elections

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  • #542
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,769 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    No I'm just excercising my right not to engage in your usual tactics. Call it what you will but you're not worth an infraction.

    If challenging you is a 'tactic' then don't address it I suppose. It just leaves what you did undefended. Just to show that I honestly pointed out the problem I had with what you were repeatedly doing.
    I think repeatedly referring to somebody as 'the winner of the lovely girl competition' sets out to demean her.

    I found her background details in a 30 sec search on google. You must be fond of 'wondering'.


  • #543
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    is_that_so wrote: »
    And again you're basing this on a one horse mickey mouse election in which none of the three traditional parties really campaigned. He is not a professional politician, has no experience of a real campaign yet, nor how readily he can pick up transfers. People will vote for incumbents. That means Carthy, McGuinness and Ming. If he's in for anything it's the last seat but FF will almost certainly have their eye on it.
    That theory would mean there would never be a change of representation. Facts show otherwise.


  • #544
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,482 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    is_that_so wrote:
    And again you're basing this on a one horse mickey mouse election in which none of the three traditional parties really campaigned. He is not a professional politician, has no experience of a real campaign yet, nor how readily he can pick up transfers. People will vote for incumbents. That means Carthy, McGuinness and Ming. If he's in for anything it's the last seat but FF will almost certainly have their eye on it.
    You'd probably have said the same thing about Ming in the last European elections. I predicted he'd top the poll. People told me I was crazy.
    I'm telling you now that Casey will top the poll.
    Also it's been a growing trend in this country to walk away from supporting a party. Independents have been on the rise for some time. There are currently three independents in Europe, that might grow this time around.


  • #545
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,769 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    eagle eye wrote: »
    You'd probably have said the same thing about Ming in the last European elections. I predicted he'd top the poll. People told me I was crazy.
    I'm telling you now that Casey will top the poll.
    Also it's been a growing trend in this country to walk away from supporting a party. Independents have been on the rise for some time. There are currently three independents in Europe, that might grow this time around.

    Do you believe there is a (unknown previously) groundswell who wish to leave the Euro and consequently the EU or that there will be a protest vote of some sort, that will have him 'topping the poll'.

    I ask because we heard this 'topping the poll' stuff in the Presidential election and he managed just 23%.


  • #546
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Back to claiming 23 per cent from a base of nothing is a poor result. lol it's actually pathetic at this stage.


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  • #547
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,769 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Back to claiming 23 per cent from a base of nothing is a poor result. lol it's actually pathetic at this stage.

    No, he captured 3% more than I predicted, but we did hear the 'topping the poll' stuff, he was short of that by more than half.


  • #548
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Edgware wrote: »
    That theory would mean there would never be a change of representation. Facts show otherwise.
    What facts?


  • #549
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    eagle eye wrote: »
    You'd probably have said the same thing about Ming in the last European elections. I predicted he'd top the poll. People told me I was crazy.
    I'm telling you now that Casey will top the poll.
    Also it's been a growing trend in this country to walk away from supporting a party. Independents have been on the rise for some time. There are currently three independents in Europe, that might grow this time around.
    I wasn't too surprised about Ming. He got a "real" EU issue and ran well with it. Independent support ebbs and flows. Current is going back against them at present. Casey is not a politician and has no actual policies. His only experience is an election where people were falling over each other to show how nice they were. He'll find it hard work in a real election and it's more likely to be Ganley all over again.


  • #550
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Back to claiming 23 per cent from a base of nothing is a poor result. lol it's actually pathetic at this stage.
    As is assuming that 23% in a one horse personality race shows likely future outcomes. It was a third of the winner, who could have won while sitting at home in bed.


  • #551
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 32,943 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Do you believe there is a (unknown previously) groundswell who wish to leave the Euro and consequently the EU or that there will be a protest vote of some sort, that will have him 'topping the poll'.

    I ask because we heard this 'topping the poll' stuff in the Presidential election and he managed just 23%.

    Just 23%.

    I bet you the other candidates (exc MDH) wished they had got such a crap % of the votes.

    Liadh Ní Riada, with the SF election machine behind her, managed a pathetic 6.4%, as did Sean Gallagher.

    Casey's vote was an unbelievable total considering. You can bluff your way around it and claim it wasn't if you want, but you're fooling no-one.


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  • #552
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,769 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Just 23%.

    I bet you the other candidates (exc MDH) wished they had got such a crap % of the votes.

    I didn't say anything about a 'crap' vote.

    I was referring to predictions that he would romp home or top the poll.

    Even a casual observer would admit that 23% is a long way short of that.


  • #553
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    is_that_so wrote:
    As is assuming that 23% in a one horse personality race shows likely future outcomes. It was a third of the winner, who could have won while sitting at home in bed.


    Not that it's terribly important but Mickey D got just under 56 percent, that's not three times Casey's vote. Also I don't think anyone thought no one other than the incumbent was going to win despite the nonsense one poster here likes to repeat.


  • #554
    mgn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    I would consider 23% a good result considering every TV and Radio broadcaster tried to make him out to be racist.The Late Late Show was a typical example of whats wrong with this country.


  • #555
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,319 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    mgn wrote: »
    I would consider 23% a good result considering every TV and Radio broadcaster tried to make him out to be racist.The Late Late Show was a typical example of whats wrong with this country.

    A good chunk or that 23% votes for him exactly because 'every TV and Radio broadcaster tried to make him out to be racist.'.

    His entire support started and ended when he started to go after travellers.


  • #556
    mgn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    super_furry wrote: »
    A good chunk or that 23% votes for him exactly because 'every TV and Radio broadcaster tried to make him out to be racist.'.

    His entire support started and ended when he started to go after travellers.

    Started to go after the travellers.What is that supposed to mean.


  • #557
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,769 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    mgn wrote: »
    Started to go after the travellers.What is that supposed to mean.

    When he started to 'tell the truth that everyone knew', I presume.


  • #558
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 32,943 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I didn't say anything about a 'crap' vote.

    I was referring to predictions that he would romp home or top the poll.

    Even a casual observer would admit that 23% is a long way short of that.

    Who predicted he would romp the poll?

    No-one I remember.

    Sure MDH was the clear favourite, and was always predicted to get more than the other 5 candidates combined.

    Your use of the word 'just' in the "just 23%" was meant to be demeaning to PC. When in fact you know that 23% of the vote in a 6 horse race, inc a runaway favourite, is pretty damn good.


  • #559
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,319 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    mgn wrote: »
    Started to go after the travellers.What is that supposed to mean.

    It means that until his verbal diarrhea on the radio, he was floating around 4% support and was in the race as the second, less interesting Dragons Den celebrity.

    He then stumbled across an anti-travller rant that had him suspending his presendential bid and considering withdrawing from the race entirely, until he cottoned on to the fact that there was a portion of the electorate that would vote for him because he attacked travellers.


  • #560
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 32,943 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Did he attack travellers?

    I only remember him saying he didn't see them as a separate ethnic race, that they were the same as him, Irish.

    He also said that it was a disgrace that they weren't accepting €1.5million worth of new houses because they weren't getting land for horses out the back. I think many agreed with this btw.

    Did I miss any other attacks?


  • #561
    mgn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    super_furry wrote: »
    It means that until his verbal diarrhea on the radio, he was floating around 4% support and was in the race as the second, less interesting Dragons Den celebrity.

    He then stumbled across an anti-travller rant that had him suspending his presendential bid and considering withdrawing from the race entirely, until he cottoned on to the fact that there was a portion of the electorate that would vote for him because he attacked travellers.

    He considered withdrawing because he was threatened by the lovely people you seem to defend.


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  • #562
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,319 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Did he attack travellers?

    I only remember him saying he didn't see them as a separate ethnic race, that they were the same as him, Irish.

    He also said that it was a disgrace that they weren't accepting €1.5million worth of new houses because they weren't getting land for horses out the back. I think many agreed with this btw.

    Did I miss any other attacks?

    Ahhh the old 'well I agree with him so it's not wrong' angle.

    You can try to tie things up in semantic knots all you like, but the fact is, the success of Casey's entire campaign was built on his anti-traveller remarks and comments. He was on 2% in the polls until then.


  • #563
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,319 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    mgn wrote: »
    He considered withdrawing because he was threatened by the lovely people you seem to defend.

    Now you're just making stuff up.


  • #564
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,769 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Did he attack travellers?

    I only remember him saying he didn't see them as a separate ethnic race, that they were the same as him, Irish.

    He also said that it was a disgrace that they weren't accepting €1.5million worth of new houses because they weren't getting land for horses out the back. I think many agreed with this btw.

    Did I miss any other attacks?

    This is the usual selective memory people have about him and only quote some of what he said.

    Here is what he said originally; 'everyone knows that travellers are basically people who camp on others land'.

    Nowhere near the truth and designed to enflame.


  • #565
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,664 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    This is the usual selective memory people have about him and only quote some of what he said.

    Here is what he said originally; 'everyone knows that travellers are basically people who camp on others land'.

    Nowhere near the truth and designed to enflame.

    Thats what they do, they litter the land as well.


  • #566
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    super_furry wrote: »
    Ahhh the old 'well I agree with him so it's not wrong' angle.

    You can try to tie things up in semantic knots all you like, but the fact is, the success of Casey's entire campaign was built on his anti-traveller remarks and comments. He was on 2% in the polls until then.

    So we should have been kept ignorant of the fact that travellers are refusing houses because they arent getting stables with them?
    Do you find something wrong with people knowing the truth?


  • #567
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,769 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Edgware wrote: »
    So we should have been kept ignorant of the fact that travellers are refusing houses because they arent getting stables with them?
    Do you find something wrong with people knowing the truth?

    We all know that if he had quoted the general figure for the amount of turned down social housing he would not have gotten the traction he did.

    The information was always there - nobody was hiding it.


  • #568
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Did he attack travellers?

    I only remember him saying he didn't see them as a separate ethnic race, that they were the same as him, Irish.

    He also said that it was a disgrace that they weren't accepting €1.5million worth of new houses because they weren't getting land for horses out the back. I think many agreed with this btw.

    Did I miss any other attacks?
    All true.
    Anyway, that was then, and this is now.

    Do travellers feature in the european parliament campaign? I haven't heard any mention of them at all.


  • #569
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 32,943 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    This is the usual selective memory people have about him and only quote some of what he said.

    Here is what he said originally; 'everyone knows that travellers are basically people who camp on others land'.

    Nowhere near the truth and designed to enflame.

    Well, we will have to agree to disagree on that point, as I think he wasn't far off the truth, but you think its at the opposite end.

    I think he also said they were Irish and not a separate race on the same interview he said about them camping on other peoples land.

    But I wouldn't say he went out to attack travellers per se.


  • #570
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,769 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Well, we will have to agree to disagree on that point, as I think he wasn't far off the truth, but you think its at the opposite end.

    I think he also said they were Irish and not a separate race on the same interview he said about them camping on other peoples land.

    But I wouldn't say he went out to attack travellers per se.

    The vast majority of travellers live in settled accommodation. Fact, not an 'opinion'.

    So he was wholly wrong to say it.

    There are many many more turning down social housing for a variety of reasons. But that wasn't of concern to Casey. Travellers were.


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  • #571
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Not that it's terribly important but Mickey D got just under 56 percent, that's not three times Casey's vote. Also I don't think anyone thought no one other than the incumbent was going to win despite the nonsense one poster here likes to repeat.
    It's not really. Game was over when he declared. Nobody much cares what came after it.


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