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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 200 ✭✭Uncle Charlie


    How do the revenue decide who your peers are?


    The revenue would have no way of knowing how people spend their cash.


    Cash by its very nature is almost impossible to trace.


    Some beggars make 200 Euro a day but don't have to pay any tax on their income because its cash.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    Just out of curiosity - when it comes to non - tax residency, how do revenue know how many days you do and don't spend in Ireland? Are they linked into some system in the airports? Or how does it work


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,005 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    How do the revenue decide who your peers are?

    People who have the same declared income to you would be a good starting point.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,005 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Panch18 wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity - when it comes to non - tax residency, how do revenue know how many days you do and don't spend in Ireland? Are they linked into some system in the airports? Or how does it work

    The taxpayer needs to prove their absence for audit purposes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    The taxpayer needs to prove their absence for audit purposes.

    So you have to prove it by saying I flew out of Ireland on these dates and arrived on these dates?

    But surely then you could just "forget" about a flight and it would be as if you were never in the country


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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,005 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Panch18 wrote: »
    So you have to prove it by saying I flew out of Ireland on these dates and arrived on these dates?

    But surely then you could just "forget" about a flight and it would be as if you were never in the country
    I don't know the detail to be honest, but the idea that you get around the High Net Worth Individual divisions of Revenue by just 'forgetting' about a flight doesn't really add up.


    It's as silly as thinking that you can hide cash from the authorities.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/dublin-city-council-paid-gangland-figures-to-stop-antisocial-attacks-cab-case-told-1.4044450


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 200 ✭✭Uncle Charlie


    I don't know the detail to be honest, but the idea that you get around the High Net Worth Individual divisions of Revenue by just 'forgetting' about a flight doesn't really add up.


    It's as silly as thinking that you can hide cash from the authorities.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/dublin-city-council-paid-gangland-figures-to-stop-antisocial-attacks-cab-case-told-1.4044450




    I never heard Revenue going after all the Politicians who took brown envelopes.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 200 ✭✭Uncle Charlie


    Panch18 wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity - when it comes to non - tax residency, how do revenue know how many days you do and don't spend in Ireland? Are they linked into some system in the airports? Or how does it work




    He seems to think the Revenue are like god who know everything about everybody.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,005 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I never heard Revenue going after all the Politicians who took brown envelopes.

    I'd say there's a lot of things you never heard of

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/haughey-and-the-taxman-accounting-for-past-presents-1.1122430


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,005 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    He seems to think the Revenue are like god who know everything about everybody.

    They don't have to know everything. They just need to know enough to decide to audit you.


    After that, YOU need to know and prove everything.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 200 ✭✭Uncle Charlie






    But they never took charlies mansion from him.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 200 ✭✭Uncle Charlie


    They don't have to know everything. They just need to know enough to decide to audit you.


    After that, YOU need to know and prove everything.

    And I can tell you for a fact that most people who don't declare cash they make are never caught.

    A guy I know drives a BMW who has been on the dole for years.

    Yet the revenue have never come after him.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    One government department never to fall foul of and that is the Revenue. They do not fcuk around


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,328 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    And I can tell you for a fact that most people who don't declare cash they make are never caught.

    A guy I know drives a BMW who has been on the dole for years.

    Yet the revenue have never come after him.

    All the ones that you know about are getting away with it. And you seem to have detailed knowledge about a large number of them. All the ones that I know about have been caught. Thousands of them have appeared on the quarterly Defaulters Lists. CAB operations are going on against them. There are court cases which are in the news. Politicians have been jailed.

    It's time you did the right thing for the ordinary taxpayer, and give your information to the people who can go after these characters.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    People who have the same declared income to you would be a good starting point.

    So you don't know. You are just guessing. Do the Revenue keep statistics on the average number of holidays everyone who earns any particular sum takes?


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,005 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So you don't know. You are just guessing. Do the Revenue keep statistics on the average number of holidays everyone who earns any particular sum takes?

    You're right. I don't know and I am just guessing.

    And you can be damn sure that those who are telling you that they'll never catch you know even less than me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    The thing about revenue is that if you are paying tax and “in the system” they keep coming after you for more and more

    If you are “out of the system” then they don’t seem to give a damn about you

    They want more and more from those who are paying while paying very little attention to those who aren’t paying a dime

    The worst thing someone could do is be too honest to revenue I reckon


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,005 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Panch18 wrote: »
    The thing about revenue is that if you are paying tax and “in the system” they keep coming after you for more and more

    If you are “out of the system” then they don’t seem to give a damn about you

    They want more and more from those who are paying while paying very little attention to those who aren’t paying a dime

    The worst thing someone could do is be too honest to revenue I reckon

    They only come after you if you have under paid your taxes. They're actually pretty good for dealing with overpayments and helping you to minimise payments if asked.

    Just pay your taxes and you'll be fine.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 200 ✭✭Uncle Charlie


    It's time you did the right thing for the ordinary taxpayer, and give your information to the people who can go after these characters.


    Are you for real ? If I ratted those lads out I would have to go on the run.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 200 ✭✭Uncle Charlie


    Panch18 wrote: »
    The thing about revenue is that if you are paying tax and “in the system” they keep coming after you for more and more

    If you are “out of the system” then they don’t seem to give a damn about you

    They want more and more from those who are paying while paying very little attention to those who aren’t paying a dime

    The worst thing someone could do is be too honest to revenue I reckon




    Thats probably how the travellers get away without paying tax.


    But even if they wanted to there is far too many travellers for the revenue to keep tabs on or investigate so they go after the middle class fools instead. Like the Doctor who put his undeclared cash into a bank account.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,328 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Are you for real ? If I ratted those lads out I would have to go on the run.

    You could live as a traveller or a beggar. Or Bono.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 200 ✭✭Uncle Charlie


    You could live as a traveller or a beggar. Or Bono.


    I'm going to tell the Revenue that I'm a Traveller ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    They only come after you if you have under paid your taxes. They're actually pretty good for dealing with overpayments and helping you to minimise payments if asked.

    Just pay your taxes and you'll be fine.

    It is not that simple. Some inspectors refuse to accept genuine figures and raise assessment based on their own view of how a business operates. For example, most of the rice bought in by restaurants is throw away. One inspector insists that it is all used and raises assessments which cod not possible be accurate.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 200 ✭✭Uncle Charlie


    It is not that simple. Some inspectors refuse to accept genuine figures and raise assessment based on their own view of how a business operates. For example, most of the rice bought in by restaurants is throw away. One inspector insists that it is all used and raises assessments which cod not possible be accurate.




    The revenue are a law unto themselves if they take a dislike to someone they can make their life hell.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,328 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The revenue are a law unto themselves if they take a dislike to someone they can make their life hell.

    Does this mean that you know people who were audited? How did they get caught?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    It is not that simple. Some inspectors refuse to accept genuine figures and raise assessment based on their own view of how a business operates. For example, most of the rice bought in by restaurants is throw away. One inspector insists that it is all used and raises assessments which cod not possible be accurate.
    Ridiculous.


    If that's the reality (and it isn't) then the businesses in question should go under and they may as well go under paying out to Saorstat Eireann as anyone else!


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    Ridiculous.


    If that's the reality (and it isn't) then the businesses in question should go under and they may as well go under paying out to Saorstat Eireann as anyone else!

    Far from ridiculous. I have seen the inspector. Chinese takaays buy a lot more rice than they need because it is so cheap and goes off rapidly, they throw out what is left every day and buy more the next day. Up to 90% is in fact thrown out. If all of it was used in meals and served there would be queues 24/7 along the street for half a mile. Why should someone go out of business for that nonsense? Saorstát Eireann ceased to be in 1937.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,005 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The revenue are a law unto themselves if they take a dislike to someone they can make their life hell.

    It is not that simple. Some inspectors refuse to accept genuine figures and raise assessment based on their own view of how a business operates. For example, most of the rice bought in by restaurants is throw away. One inspector insists that it is all used and raises assessments which cod not possible be accurate.
    Far from ridiculous. I have seen the inspector. Chinese takaays buy a lot more rice than they need because it is so cheap and goes off rapidly, they throw out what is left every day and buy more the next day. Up to 90% is in fact thrown out. If all of it was used in meals and served there would be queues 24/7 along the street for half a mile. Why should someone go out of business for that nonsense? Saorstát Eireann ceased to be in 1937.

    This kind of practice is destroying our planet. Obviously, we're not charging enough for disposal of products like this. But regardless, if you're not happy with Revenue, you can take it to the independent Tax Appeals Commission.
    Those raids are for criminality and seem to have nothing to do with unpaid tax.

    You might want to try reading the articles before you respond;
    Gardaí said members of the Garda Armed Support Unit, Dog Unit, Air Support Unit, Criminal Assets Bureau, the National Bureau of Criminal Investigation, Stolen Vehicle Unit, Social Welfare, Customs and the Revenue Commissioners were involved in the operation.
    Independent.ie can reveal that of the five bays raided at the halting site, all had “brand new top-of-the-range caravans and vans”, even though all the owners are claiming social welfare.

    It is for this reason that Revenue customs officers accompanied gardai on the raids which were led by the Criminal Assets Bureau (CAB) and backed up by specialist gardai including officers from the Stolen Motor Vehicle Investigation unit.
    The statement said: "As part of an ongoing operation into organised crime, Gardaí with the assistance of Garda Armed Support Unit, Dog Unit, Aer Support Unit, Criminal Assets Bureau (CAB), National Bureau of Criminal Investigation (NBCI), Stolen Vehicle Unit, Social Welfare, Customs and Revenue, today, Friday the 26th July, searched 30 dwellings, in the Tootenhill area, Dublin."
    Our pictures show CAB, gardai, Revenue officers and ESB staff carrying out one of those raids at a halting site in the north Dublin area at dawn this morning.
    I'm going to tell the Revenue that I'm a Traveller ;)

    You can tell them that you're an alien from Uranus if you like. It still won't make any difference to your tax assessment.


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