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The Irish Pub is finished.

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    #32
    murpho999
    Registered Users Posts: 28,391 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    They are allowed to open as long as they serve food. That could be baked beans on toast or cocktail sausages and peanuts.

    Well that has been well document in the media to not be true and it must be a substantial meal.

    As for the OP, the ignorance is strong in this one.

    Pubs are struggling to due changes in people's lifestyles but they will always be there.

    They have adapted over the years and become places where you can get a decent meal.

    Years ago pubs served at best a rotten carvery and maybe toasted sandwiches in a bag.

    Now they're better and smoke free.

    Irish people like to enjoy themselves too much for pubs to disappear entirely.


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    #33
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Cobble together a “restaurant”, packet of nightlights and some napkins should do the trick, promote a staff member to “chef”. Buy a toasted sandwich maker and a large saucepan.

    I hope I'm never going to buy something off you, if you think business should be done with less than minimal effort.


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    #34
    maestroamado
    Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    The VFI are largely responsible for the demise of rural pubs, its a pity really.
    A bottle of premium lager can be bought in supermarket can be bought in a shop for €1.
    The VFI want customers to pay €4/5 for same product in regular bar.
    They missed a golden opportunity when cafe bars were suggested but they rejected the idea.
    Its like everything else, adapt to the needes of society or die.

    I do not think pubs can open unless they serve meal minimum €9...


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    #35
    [Deleted User]
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    markfinn wrote: »
    Good.
    While it won't do much to improve the current mobs of shambling alcoholics in the country, it will hopefully reduce the time they spend rampaging around the streets when all worthwhile people are trying to sleep, and will reduce the impression being handed to the next generation that this self-destructive and socially destructive behaviour is "cultural", "normal" or "acceptable".

    It’s not those pubs that will be closing. It’s the ones that are essential for the elderly bachelor farmer in the middle of nowhere to go and get his pint and only social interaction


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    #36
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Well that has been well document in the media to not be true and it must be a substantial meal.

    As for the OP, the ignorance is strong in this one.

    Pubs are struggling to due changes in people's lifestyles but they will always be there.

    They have adapted over the years and become places where you can get a decent meal.

    Years ago pubs served at best a rotten carvery and maybe toasted sandwiches in a bag.

    Now they're better and smoke free.

    Irish people like to enjoy themselves too much for pubs to disappear entirely.

    You could have a substantial amount of cocktail sausages or chicken wings, sprinkle with parsley, hey presto.


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    #37
    murpho999
    Registered Users Posts: 28,391 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    You could have a substantial amount of cocktail sausages or chicken wings, sprinkle with parsley, hey presto.

    The 1980s just called you and they want their pub back.


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    #38
    HBC08
    Registered Users Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Cobble together a “restaurant”, packet of nightlights and some napkins should do the trick, promote a staff member to “chef”. Buy a toasted sandwich maker and a large saucepan.

    I'm currently trying to reopen a side business (tourism based) on Mon 29th.Its a lot less complicated than reopening a pub to act as a restaurant but theres an awful lot involved in complying with new covid regulations.
    "cobbled together" doesnt cut it.

    I suspect youre not running a business yourself but give gold plated advice from the barstool?


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    #39
    murpho999
    Registered Users Posts: 28,391 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    You could have a substantial amount of cocktail sausages or chicken wings, sprinkle with parsley, hey presto.

    Anyhow I know you're trying to be funny, which it's not but it's simple that pubs that not operate a normal food business before with menus and proper kitchens will not be opening.

    These hilarious jokes about cocktail sausages and €9 bags of Tayto will not work and those pubs will simply have to wait a few weeks.

    I don't think I'll be bothered with the pubs for a while anyway with all the restrictions in place as I go their to relax.


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    #40
    PirateShampoo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,406 ✭✭✭PirateShampoo


    Bob Harris wrote: »
    Between 2005 and 2018 there were 1500 pub closures. Myriad of reasons but the industry is in decline.

    Or over saturation?

    Is it a good idea to have 6 pubs in a town with 1 street?


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    #41
    Cienciano
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    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    They are allowed to open as long as they serve food. That could be baked beans on toast or cocktail sausages and peanuts.

    Not true either.
    This definition provides that “the meal
    is such as might be expected to be served as a main midday or
    evening meal or as a main course in either such meal” and is of a
    kind for which it would be reasonable to charge not less than €9

    You think a bowl of peanuts fulfills that? You go into many pubs that have a bowl of peanuts on the menu as a main meal? Or bowl of cocktail sausages?


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    #42
    Dravokivich
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    PirateShampoo wrote: »
    Or over saturation?

    Is it a good idea to have 6 pubs in a town with 1 street?

    Depends on the population and rate of footfall in the area from passing traffic.


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    #43
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    HBC08 wrote: »
    I'm currently trying to reopen a side business (tourism based) on Mon 29th.Its a lot less complicated than reopening a pub to act as a restaurant but theres an awful lot involved in complying with new covid regulations.
    "cobbled together" doesnt cut it.

    I suspect youre not running a business yourself but give gold plated advice from the barstool?

    I am actually but not in hospitality. What’s so difficult about opening a pub as a restaurant. Of course it can be cobbled together. Five score and a trolly dash around lidl, it’s totally possible.


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    #44
    HBC08
    Registered Users Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    I am actually but not in hospitality. What’s so difficult about opening a pub as a restaurant. Of course it can be cobbled together. Five score and a trolly dash around lidl, it’s totally possible.

    That's genius Jimmy.
    If only the business owners of Ireland had the same can do,problem solving skills.


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    #45
    murpho999
    Registered Users Posts: 28,391 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    I am actually but not in hospitality. What’s so difficult about opening a pub as a restaurant. Of course it can be cobbled together. Five score and a trolly dash around lidl, it’s totally possible.

    You can't just cobble it together.

    You need a fully kitted out kitchen which costs thousands, compliance with food safety rules which are extremely strict in Ireland.

    Probably an issue with the licence.

    Then you need staff.

    Really you're oversimplyfing what food is and it's not chicken wings and peanuts.


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    #46
    Rodney Bathgate
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    Cienciano wrote: »
    Not true either.


    You think a bowl of peanuts fulfills that? You go into many pubs that have a bowl of peanuts on the menu as a main meal? Or bowl of cocktail sausages?

    Beans on toast is fine, or beans on waffles.


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    #47
    [Deleted User]
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    The Irish pub is gone. Kaput as they say in France. We'll never see the likes again.

    Until next Monday.


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    #48
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users Posts: 16,023 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Do you have to order food, or the pub just have to offer it? A giant pot of pasta should suffice if you just have to offer it


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    #49
    Cienciano
    Registered Users Posts: 14,226 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Beans on toast is fine, or beans on waffles.

    I've never seen beans on toast as a main meal in a pub. Not that there's anything wrong with it, it's a substantial meal imho. Wouldn't pay €9 for it though.


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    #50
    paw patrol
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    the sneering judgement of pubs and drinkers on this thread is amazing.


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    #51
    Signore Fancy Pants
    Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    I am actually but not in hospitality. What’s so difficult about opening a pub as a restaurant. Of course it can be cobbled together. Five score and a trolly dash around lidl, it’s totally possible.

    There's a 35 page document outlining areas of compliance specifically for COVID, surrounding the reopening of restaraunts.

    That's an establishment who are already au fait with HACCP guidelines etc. A pub with limited/no food serving experience will also need to impliment and adhere to the 35 page document.

    Any failure in compliance and the establishment will be shut down.

    Best of luck with the trolly dash.


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    #52
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Cienciano wrote: »
    I've never seen beans on toast as a main meal in a pub. Not that there's anything wrong with it, it's a substantial meal imho. Wouldn't pay €9 for it though.


    Beans on toast is a substantial meal for a 1st year student.


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    #53
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    murpho999 wrote: »
    You can't just cobble it together.

    You need a fully kitted out kitchen which costs thousands, compliance with food safety rules which are extremely strict in Ireland.

    Probably an issue with the licence.

    Then you need staff.

    Really you're oversimplyfing what food is and it's not chicken wings and peanuts.

    Would you need a fully kitted out kitchen if this was the menu -

    Soup

    Chicken wings

    Cocktail Sausages

    Hash Browns

    Crossons and Jam

    Shur all you’d need is a chip pan and a kettle.


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    #54
    [Deleted User]
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    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Would you need a fully kitted out kitchen if this was the menu -

    Soup

    Chicken wings

    Cocktail Sausages

    Hash Browns

    Crossons and Jam

    Shur all you’d need is a chip pan and a kettle.

    Not a substantial meal.
    They are all snacks/starters.

    Crossons and Jam :pac: FFS ...... you aren't a food critic anyway :D


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    #55
    whisky_galore
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    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Would you need a fully kitted out kitchen if this was the menu -

    Soup

    Chicken wings

    Cocktail Sausages

    Hash Browns

    Crossons and Jam

    Shur all you’d need is a chip pan and a kettle.

    I'll have the cocktail sausages with a side of E.coli please.


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    #56
    Chinasea
    Registered Users Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭Chinasea


    I am sorry for the loss of livelihoods. But much, much less litter from cigarette butts that the patrons seem to think it ok to fling on the ground or stuff down the nearest shore. Most pubs never cleaned or swept up outside. The cigarette butts just left littering and polluting.


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    #57
    [Deleted User]
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    I actually hope the local pub stays closed. It's a celtic bar, attracts nothing but trouble and is a pain to live near. It's been bliss since the kip closed.


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    #58
    roverjoyce
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    Augeo wrote: »
    Job losses are never good but less pubs would be net positive for the nation. They are a crutch for many who might find a better use of their time & money going forward.
    Lets close the off license's as well - they are a far bigger problem than pubs


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    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,934 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    They are allowed to open as long as they serve food. That could be baked beans on toast or cocktail sausages and peanuts.

    Lol. You're fake news, Jimmy.


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    Osborne
    Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭Osborne


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    I am actually but not in hospitality. What’s so difficult about opening a pub as a restaurant. Of course it can be cobbled together. Five score and a trolly dash around lidl, it’s totally possible.

    Who is going to draw up the Food Safety Management Plan without prior training, not to mention the level 3 HACCP Management course the Manager/Supervisor will have to complete before serving food.

    It all takes time.


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    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭Feisar


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Anyhow I know you're trying to be funny, which it's not but it's simple that pubs that not operate a normal food business before with menus and proper kitchens will not be opening.

    These hilarious jokes about cocktail sausages and €9 bags of Tayto will not work and those pubs will simply have to wait a few weeks.

    I don't think I'll be bothered with the pubs for a while anyway with all the restrictions in place as I go their to relax.

    Soup and a toasted ham, cheese, tomato and onion would set one back €9 in most places, hardly earth moving to set up for that.

    First they came for the socialists...



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