ICT Specialists (Executive Officer level) in Civil Service

Maximus_1 wrote: »

Completely agree. I am in IT private sector but you never know how things can go, there is alot to be said for the peace of mind that comes with a role like this. that said the money for Dublin is pretty low, if there were roles outside its livable and then once you climb the scale a bit you will be grand. Basically, there's more to life than money! Hence I will be applying!

There's a lot to be said for not living on the breadline which you will be with this job. Increments are every 18 months and amount to sweet f all as the tax kicks in. Nothing stopping the government ending increments or reversing you pay despite having a contract there isn't any security with these jobs.

The public service is losing tons of decent, skilled professionals as you can earn so much more elsewhere.

It's hard to work out the incrmeents these days but it looks like you'll be waiting 20-25 years before taking home the sum total of €2600 per month. Good luck having a family on that money. Seeing as the state is over 120% debt to gdp I would expect the situation to get worse over the next 20 years. Still, at least you will have that pension. Or will you? I'd wager the minimum age will get pushed out to 70 with new calculations taking an average of your whole career earnings and not the 50% of final that we're used to. With the pension crisis looming I think its reasonable to expect a pension in litle different to someone who just paid prsi stamps.

Gongoozler wrote: »

It's not hard at all to work out the increments, they're listed for public information in quite a number of places if you look. In fact I'm pretty sure if you asked through that contact you'd probably be given it.

And increments are every 1 year. Not 18 months. Starting salary of an EO is in the 26 to 27000 region don't hav e the exact figure to hand. Which would be around 2000 a month or slightly less, and that's to start with, so it's hardly going to take 20 years to work up to 2600 a month.

First link will answer your increment question (good luck working it out) and the second seals the net pay debate. Take it from someone who left a higher paying public sector job. Those salaries are an insult to skilled workers and the whole thing should be boycotted.

1. http://www.impact.ie/haddington-road-agreement/haddington-road-frequently-asked-questions/
2. http://taxcalc.eu/

Yes it does.

Are my increments frozen?
Management wanted to freeze all increments until the end of 2016, but unions negotiated a better outcome. In summary:

Public servants who earn less than €35,000 a year receive their
next increment when it falls due and then wait 15 months (rather than
12) before any following increment is paid.
Public servants who earn between €35,000 and €65,000 receive their
next increment when it falls due, then wait 15 months (rather than 12)
before any following increment is paid, and then 15 months (rather than
12) before the following increment is paid.
Public servants who earn between €35,000 and €65,000 a year, and
who are now at the top of their scale, forfeit six days leave, or the
cash equivalent. This is not a permanent reduction in annual leave
entitlement; it’s a once-off loss of six day’s leave spread over a three
year period.

The taxcalc salaries are spot on and I know from experience.

The starting salary is 1805 a month whilst the end salary after 20+ years is €2600.

Gongoozler wrote: »

So, yeah from what you quoted it's not 18 months. The second increment will be after 15 months.

And presumably as the scale only goes so high, the most you can get as an EO is 47975, how does that work out at 2600 a month?

In the previous regime the pay scale topped out after 17 years of service. The changes will bring it up over 20 years for sure.

I can't make it any easier for you. Put the 47974 salary into taxcalc. Look at the net monthly salary. That is the reality. I know it's depressing to someone who is looking upwards and thinking what is the point.

Gongoozler wrote: »

Your first point doesn't relate at all to my first point. So you concede that you're wrong about the 18 months?

I went to your tax calc site, getting security issues with it, what a mess of a page. I've googled another one, and it's saying take home is €33,897. So take home is 2824 per month. Wow that is bad for 20 years of service. But then I suppose if you're ok sticking at EO level (or have no choice in the matter) for 20 years, you're probably not that bothered. €700 a week is nothing to turn your nose up at as far as I'm concerned.

The substantive part of my point stands. 20 years to the max of the scale.

Taxcalc works if your java is up to date. I use the android app. You are looking at private sector net pay.

Try and live on 2600 a month in Dublin. You won't have much of a life. You'll quickly realise that with a few years experience as a database admin you can probably get 4k net a month in the private sector. Your 1800 security doesn't look so attractive then.

Gongoozler wrote: »

I live on 1520 a month just fine. I've been on 3 holidays this year, one to Australia. And still manage to have quite a sum of savings.

But I just want to clear up here, I'm not defending the public sector, I'd love to get out of it, as to why everyone thinks it's so great, is really beyond me. Usually only thought by those not in it.

It might work out if you're in single in your 20s or you have a parter with better earnings. Hitting 30+ life becomes a real struggle with 900 per month creche fees and e1800 rent or mortgage.