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2019 Atlantic Hurricane Season

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    GFS showing the remnants of Humberto, and perhaps more importantly another cyclone after Jerry, hurtling in our direction.

    Humberto could have a yellow/orange warning attached for coastal areas if it moves any further north. Currently Wales getting the worst of it, and guidance is coming into the reliable timeframe.

    The later storm which hasn't even yet developed is still +300hrs but 3 days of runs now have been alarmingly consistent. still deepening at 20W in the latest iteration, one to watch, even if it may be as reliable as the ol' forecasting stone, for now.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Jerry has nosedived back to tropical storm now (55 kt) in the NHC's 7 am update, despite being forecast to remain a hurricane force 65-70 kt in their 4 am discussion. Pressure up to 995 hPa. All based on recon data. Just shows that these things have a mind of their own.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    sdanseo wrote: »
    GFS showing the remnants of Humberto, and perhaps more importantly another cyclone after Jerry, hurtling in our direction.

    Humberto could have a yellow/orange warning attached for coastal areas if it moves any further north. Currently Wales getting the worst of it, and guidance is coming into the reliable timeframe.

    Any time frame for Humberto please?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Any time frame for Humberto please?

    Around Tuesday Grace, but for clarity not near even a yellow warning for where you are. A mere breeze compared to what you're used to at least!

    My weather posts can be a bit of a black and white interpretation of the charts, less good at the analysis, and so often sound a little more sensational than they're intended.

    Edit: in fact latest charts not showing even a yellow warning possible for anywhere, further north but weaker. Not even a storm at this point. It's actually as windy in Belmullet now as it will be Tuesday PM.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    sdanseo wrote: »
    Around Tuesday Grace, but for clarity not near even a yellow warning for where you are. A mere breeze compared to what you're used to at least!

    My weather posts can be a bit of a black and white interpretation of the charts, less good at the analysis, and so often sound a little more sensational than they're intended.

    Edit: in fact latest charts not showing even a yellow warning possible for anywhere, further north but weaker. Not even a storm at this point. It's actually as windy in Belmullet now as it will be Tuesday PM.

    Ah grand! Storms like I think it was Callum last year made me a little... wary...All is well them. for now but very breezy now

    and you are doing great; thank you


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Lorenzo is a bit of an eye opener, a Tropical Storm atm as reported by the NHC who is saying it is in a generally favorable environment for intensification . All of the intensity guidance saying it will become a hurricane by about Weds. Models predicting it to strengthen thereafter. ECM has been fairly consistent in its track over the last few runs if steering it a bit further E on the latest run I think. The end of the run , 10 days away, way way out there in terms of reliability looks interesting to say the least .

    Ridge to the E of the Atlantic steering Lorenzo up to our latitudes and remnants nudged in towards us by LP systems coming out of Canada on a very fast jet, or being absorbed into a new system ?

    Makes for interesting model watching.


    https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/


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    NHC

    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 23/1500Z 11.1N 24.1W 35 KT 40 MPH
    12H 24/0000Z 11.5N 26.2W 45 KT 50 MPH
    24H 24/1200Z 12.0N 28.9W 50 KT 60 MPH
    36H 25/0000Z 12.5N 31.6W 60 KT 70 MPH
    48H 25/1200Z 13.1N 34.3W 70 KT 80 MPH
    72H 26/1200Z 14.6N 39.4W 85 KT 100 MPH
    96H 27/1200Z 17.1N 43.5W 95 KT 110 MPH
    120H 28/1200Z 20.5N 47.0W 95 KT 110 MPH


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    GFS still very consistent with Lorenzo.

    Whatever about us - I think it's veering to far west to do anything other than be absorbed before it gets near 50N - keep an eye on the Azores. Could be a powerful storm for them.

    For comparison Ophelia was much deeper and came up much further east between the Canaries and Azores.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    The eastern Atlantic seems the best area for activity now, with shear affecting the two systems in the west (Jerry and Karen). This period is the climatological max for Cabo Verde hurricanes, so, after a very sluggish start, this season has pulled its socks up in the past month.

    Latest Lorenzo GEFS tracks. It should reach CAT 3 before reaching the Azores but would most likely have weakened by the time it gets there.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Meanwhile TC Hikaa is about to make landfall in Oman. Currently 85 kts but slight weakening should occur before landfall. The JTWC call it a "midget" cyclone. Surely that's politically incorrect and the poor cyclone could choose to be offended!
    REMARKS: 240300Z
    POSITION NEAR 20.1N 60.3E. 24SEP19.
    TROPICAL CYCLONE (TC) 03A (HIKAA), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 120 NM EAST OF MASIRAH ISLAND, HAS TRACKED WESTWARD AT 13 KNOTS (KTS) OVER THE PAST SIX HOURS. ANIMATED ENHANCED INFRARED (EIR) SATELLITE IMAGERY SHOWS A MIDGET TROPICAL CYCLONE WITH A 14 NM OBLONG EYE, SUPPORTING HIGH CONFIDENCE IN THE INITIAL POSITION. BASED ON A DVORAK INTENSITY ESTIMATE OF T5.0 (90 KTS) BY PGTW AND AN ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE (ADT) OF T4.8 (85 KTS) BY CIMSS, THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS SET AT 85 KTS.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,944 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    Lorenzo is going to be interesting to watch, except for all the comparisons to Ophelia already!

    GFS last two OP runs have it dropping South of us:

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Villain wrote: »
    Lorenzo is going to be interesting to watch, except for all the comparisons to Ophelia already!

    GFS last two OP runs have it dropping South of us:

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    If two storms of this nature track over us in as many years, that is no longer anomalous and something is up.

    We're in for an interesting couple of weeks, but arguably, an extremely interesting and less predictable climate from this point forward.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    sdanseo wrote: »
    If two storms of this nature track over us in as many years, that is no longer anomalous and something is up.

    We're in for an interesting couple of weeks, but arguably, an extremely interesting and less predictable climate from this point forward.

    What are the chances of this? Doesn’t look like happening


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    What are the chances of this? Doesn’t look like happening

    Still probably quite slim. GFS model has been consistent for a week nearly but a big deviation to the east today to bring it directly towards us.

    ECM shows it following the original GFS track, but also trending slightly eastward.

    Best case scenario, it'll get absorbed somewhere north of the azores and be a bit windy.

    Current worst case scenario shown on any chart is maybe sustained wind of 40-50kt, nowhere near a hurricane but certainly in red warning territory for here.

    I have a transatlantic flight on the 3rd around lunchtime. If it's disrupted it'll be the least excited I've ever been for a storm!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Tropical Storm Lorenzo progressing showing bands rotating within the circulation , NHC saying it has an intensity of 55kts. Not progressing as fast as previously modeled yet still in a favorable environment to intensify into a Hurricane by tomorrow.



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    NHC

    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 24/1500Z 12.4N 29.3W 55 KT 65 MPH
    12H 25/0000Z 12.9N 31.3W 65 KT 75 MPH
    24H 25/1200Z 13.6N 34.0W 75 KT 85 MPH
    36H 26/0000Z 14.2N 36.6W 85 KT 100 MPH
    48H 26/1200Z 15.0N 38.8W 95 KT 110 MPH
    72H 27/1200Z 18.0N 41.9W 100 KT 115 MPH
    96H 28/1200Z 21.1N 44.3W 105 KT 120 MPH
    120H 29/1200Z 23.9N 45.3W 100 KT 115 MPH


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    Windy.com has it tracking west of Ireland. All up in the air, didn’t Ophelia change to an eastern direction after veering west?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    Windy.com has it tracking west of Ireland. All up in the air, didn’t Ophelia change to an eastern direction after veering west?

    Nope. Bear in mind these graphics start and end when NHC advisories did, specifically ending very abruptly as soon as it went extratropical despite having major impacts here.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    The GFS, despite its upgrade, has performed terribly this season. On each storm it has been completely wild of the mark in the early stages of the developing systems. The ECM has been king again, so I would be siding with it more for now, backed up by the fact that most other models are showing similar.

    There is still a large area of dry air for Lorenzo to get through as it swings a little more northwestwards now. The SHIPS had been jumping at rapid intensification this time yesterday, but it's backed well back down in today's runs. Despite the vis and IR imagery showing some banding, microwave scans show no real organisation of deep convection nor a central core. We'd be needing to see something better than this develop or it may not reach the Cat 3 promise it has been showing. In 5 days it will be getting out over colder seas around 26 N.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭mickger844posts


    Mod Note: Let’s keep the thread on topic and leave any other theories or beliefs about other subjects out of this thread. Thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,944 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    Lorenzo has got going and is now the 5th Hurricane

    https://twitter.com/carlowweather/status/1176787922441375745?s=21

    The forecast track show it mainly staying out West of us

    https://twitter.com/carlowweather/status/1176776989296009217?s=21


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    No fewer than six of those ensembles having some impact on us. 3-4 would be concerning and one brings a Category 2 Hurricane to Mayo.

    Still, the other 14 of them make it Iceland's problem. All just model vomit for now.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    A big switch in the GFS Op (AVNO), Ensemble mean (AEMN) and Control run (AC00) between 00Z and 06Z runs. A total swing west now, especially the op, which has the track now west of Ireland instead of over France and Germany. As stated, all still model vomit for now.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    That's a big area of dry air that Lorenzo will be fighting over the next day or so. Can already see some of it being entrained into the western side. It might slow down intensification a little.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    NHC Storm Description:
    25 Sep 2019 - 15:00 UTC ...LORENZO CONTINUES TO STRENGTHEN... ...EXPECTED TO BECOME A MAJOR HURRICANE BY THURSDAY... As of 11:00 AM AST Wed Sep 25 the center of Lorenzo was located near 14.1, -35.1 with movement WNW at 17 mph. The minimum central pressure was 983 mb with maximum sustained winds of about 85 mph.

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    Projected strength increased a bit again.

    NHC


    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 25/1500Z 14.1N 35.1W 75 KT 85 MPH
    12H 26/0000Z 14.4N 37.1W 85 KT 100 MPH
    24H 26/1200Z 15.3N 39.2W 100 KT 115 MPH
    36H 27/0000Z 16.7N 40.8W 110 KT 125 MPH
    48H 27/1200Z 18.4N 42.2W 110 KT 125 MPH
    72H 28/1200Z 21.9N 44.2W 110 KT 125 MPH
    96H 29/1200Z 25.0N 44.5W 105 KT 120 MPH
    120H 30/1200Z 29.0N 42.0W 105 KT 120 MPH

    $$
    Forecaster Beven


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Has there ever been a Cat 4 east of 30°W?
    6-11mph shy on that forecast and headed eastbound.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Wind speeds continue to rise, pressure dropping .

    https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/

    Hurricane LORENZO
    As of 18:00 UTC Sep 25, 2019:

    Location: 14.3°N 36.3°W
    Maximum Winds: 80 kt Gusts: 100 kt
    Minimum Central Pressure: 978 mb
    Environmental Pressure: 1012 mb
    Radius of Circulation: 180 NM
    Radius of Maximum Wind: 20 NM

    64 kt Wind Radii by Quadrant:



    https://twitter.com/philklotzbach/status/1176877147580821504?s=20

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Models are struggling.

    It veers wildly west in the 18Z GFS as well, but also deepens to 930mb or the equivalent of a Category 4 storm, almost as far north as Iceland while still retaining some tropical features.
    That's just not going to happen.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    sdanseo wrote: »
    Models are struggling.

    It veers wildly west in the 18Z GFS as well, but also deepens to 930mb or the equivalent of a Category 4 storm, almost as far north as Iceland while still retaining some tropical features.
    That's just not going to happen.

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    It's really only the GFS that's been struggling, varying from Poland to Greenland in the space of 3 runs. The others have been fairly consistent.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    sdanseo wrote: »
    No fewer than six of those ensembles having some impact on us. 3-4 would be concerning and one brings a Category 2 Hurricane to Mayo.

    Still, the other 14 of them make it Iceland's problem. All just model vomit for now.

    Lovely idea! What was that hit here an hour or so ago? Still deluging , hammering, gusting.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,057 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Lovely idea! What was that hit here an hour or so ago? Still deluging , hammering, gusting.

    Nice and calm here Grace.

    Amazing how our weather varies so much for such a small island. And thanks for that.

    At least it's never boring!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Already in the upper end of Category 3
    Category 4 predicted in under 12 hours
    Still predicted 95kt (1kt under Cat 3) as it takes aim at the Azores on Monday who must surely start taking this seriously soon.
    Hurricane Lorenzo Special Discussion Number 15
    NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL132019
    600 AM AST Thu Sep 26 2019

    Shortly after the issuance of the 0900 UTC advisory, Lorenzo's eye
    quickly and drastically became more apparent in conventional
    satellite imagery. The slightly ragged but clearing eye of the
    hurricane is surrounded by very cold cloud tops, and it has become
    clear that Lorenzo is rapidly intensifying. A 0900 UTC TAFB Dvorak
    classification of 6.0/6.0 (115 kt) was used as the primary basis for
    increasing the intensity of Lorenzo. Because objective fixes from
    just a few hours ago were much lower, the intensity of the hurricane
    has been increased, perhaps conservatively, to 110 kt. Since this is
    10 kt above the previous 12-h forecast, a special advisory is
    required to update the intensity forecast.

    Additional strengthening is possible later today. Earlier intensity
    guidance indicated that Lorenzo's intensity should level off in a
    day or so, though none of the guidance correctly anticipated the
    rate at which the hurricane has strengthened this morning. Now that
    the hurricane has a closed eyewall, fluctuations in intensity due to
    eyewall replacement cycles are also possible, though this is not
    explicitly reflected in the updated forecast. By the end of the
    forecast period, the updated NHC forecast is relaxed to the original
    forecast and shows some gradual weakening. Further adjustments,
    especially at 72 h and beyond, may be required later this morning.

    No changes were made to the track forecast, which is based on the
    previous regular advisory.

    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 26/1000Z 15.2N 39.3W 110 KT 125 MPH
    12H 26/1800Z 16.0N 40.6W 120 KT 140 MPH
    24H 27/0600Z 17.7N 41.9W 120 KT 140 MPH
    36H 27/1800Z 19.5N 43.0W 115 KT 130 MPH
    48H 28/0600Z 21.2N 43.8W 110 KT 125 MPH
    72H 29/0600Z 24.6N 43.5W 100 KT 115 MPH
    96H 30/0600Z 28.0N 42.0W 100 KT 115 MPH
    120H 01/0600Z 33.0N 38.0W 95 KT 110 MPH


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