Ireland agrees to plan on migrant resettlement

Eric Cartman · 23-07-2019 2:22pm

SporadicMan wrote: »

As opposed to the open borders alternative.

I'll vote for the ones who have Irish best interests at heart, not the freeloaders who somehow make it to the country and take all they can get.

Anyone responding with faux concerns should've been more in favour of nipping this in the bud early before extremist parties weren't the only option to go to.

Next GE my vote will be decided by 4 questions

1) Do you support allowing more unskilled migration from africa and the middle east into our state
2) Will you pledge to fight any tax increase against those in the 35k-250k income levels
3) Will you commit to voting against any policy that is anti motorist.
4) Will you commit to having no accommodation for migrants built in your constituency.

whoever can give me the right answers will get my vote. Sadly I think it may be some fringe party that I would never usually vote for in good conscience.

Calhoun · 23-07-2019 2:28pm

There is a level of solidarity that we also need to show with out EU partners. It's why as I said defining refugee or imigrant is critical.

Resettlement of refugees we have to do out bit, cannot leave it to our EU partners to soley carry the can. At the same time having the right checks and balances in place and ensuring we are only sorting refugees and bot economic migrants is critical.

Tokyo · 23-07-2019 2:30pm

Tony Tucker wrote: »

Its slaves they want, where to better to look than the turd world?

Mod: Next comment like that will earn you a thread ban and/or card.

The Enbalmer · 23-07-2019 2:31pm

Calhoun wrote: »

Resettlement of refugees we have to do out bit, cannot leave it to our EU partners to soley carry the can. .

I don't see why Islamic and African migration needs to be addressed by the west when none of their neighbours are willing to take them in.

Quatar,i believe has taken the grand total of feck all from Syria.

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 2:32pm

Boggles wrote: »

I'm not a member, you are.

Why don't you ask him and report back, they are not very taxing questions TBF.

Nah think I'll leave you guessing

4068ac1elhodqr · 23-07-2019 2:35pm

Calhoun wrote: »

There is a level of solidarity that we also need to show with out EU partners. It's why as I said defining refugee or imigrant is critical.

It's not like Merkel or the trafficking orgs consulted in solidarity with all the member states, and it's not as easy as defining if someone (undocumented) is a vegatarian or not.

Perhaps the EU's future is in zones e.g. NW (Ire, Scandis, Holland, France) Central, South and Eastern blocks. Much like it was when joined back in '73.

Boggles · 23-07-2019 2:39pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

Nah think I'll leave you guessing

So like you all ready said you don't how many candidates ye are running in the next GE?

So when you gleefully announced this in the thread.

Help!!!! wrote: »

The National Party is now ready for the next general election

What measurement of readiness were you actually using?

Gatling · 23-07-2019 2:40pm

Does anyone think the damage is done and totally irreversible when it comes to the mass economic migrant situation that was allowed to happen , with nobody at the top thinking this could cause permanent and lasting damage to European countries

14dMoney · 23-07-2019 2:42pm

Gatling wrote: »

Does anyone think the damage is done and totally irreversible when it comes to the mass economic migrant situation that was allowed to happen , with nobody at the top thinking this could cause permanent and lasting damage to European countries

Of course not! Don't be such a racist! Now bend over, lower your trousers and get ready for your cultural enrichment.

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 2:43pm

Boggles wrote: »

So like you all ready said you don't how many candidates ye are running in the next GE?

So when you gleefully announced this in the thread.

What measurement of readiness were you actually using?

They are ready to run candidates for the next general election
Seeing as there is no election this year why the hurry to find out?

SporadicMan · 23-07-2019 2:45pm

Gatling wrote: »

Does anyone think the damage is done and totally irreversible when it comes to the mass economic migrant situation that was allowed to happen , with nobody at the top thinking this could cause permanent and lasting damage to European countries

It's absolutely done and irreversible. Europe is finished in the long term. Best thing you can do is be as personally successful as possible and just continuously "flee" to the areas that are yet to be hit by the consequences.

Balf · 23-07-2019 2:45pm

Gatling wrote: »

Does anyone think the damage is done and totally irreversible when it comes to the mass economic migrant situation that was allowed to happen , with nobody at the top thinking this could cause permanent and lasting damage to European countries

I suspect its actually only starting. Some of the assumptions supporting current approaches are remarkable. It's like a dialogue that never quite joins up. For example:

The Enbalmer · 23-07-2019 2:46pm

Boggles wrote:

Do you agree with their "leader" and "manifesto"?

Do you agree with Islamic States leader and manifesto?

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 2:46pm

Gatling wrote: »

Does anyone think the damage is done and totally irreversible when it comes to the mass economic migrant situation that was allowed to happen , with nobody at the top thinking this could cause permanent and lasting damage to European countries

It will all end badly with possible civil wars in counties thats why the EU want their army to crush any revolutions. The EU is going to end up like the Soviet Union & we all know how that went

corks finest · 23-07-2019 2:48pm

Enough of this P.C. Shi*e - Ireland isn't able to afford any more Africans etc,most don't contribute at all - anything to thi s country - enough - end of

Boggles · 23-07-2019 2:48pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

They are ready to run candidates for the next general election

I'll ask again.

Roughly how many?

Surely as a party member you would have an idea of this very basic information.

Help!!!! wrote: »

Seeing as there is no election this year why the hurry to find out?

It was you who declared they were ready now for the next GE.

Help!!!! wrote: »

The National Party is now ready for the next general election

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 2:48pm

SporadicMan wrote: »

It's absolutely done and irreversible. Europe is finished in the long term. Best thing you can do is be as personally successful as possible and just continuously "flee" to the areas that are yet to be hit by the consequences.

Eastern Europe is OK at the moment & will continue as long as they keep Soros funded NGO's out

Tony Tucker · 23-07-2019 2:49pm

Permanent ban for homophobic comment. This is simply not acceptable.

dudara

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 2:50pm

Boggles wrote: »

I'll ask again.

Roughly how many?

Surely as a party member you would have an idea of this very basic information.

It was you who declared they were ready now for the next GE.

More than 1, how many is FG running?
Yes ready

Boggles · 23-07-2019 2:51pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

More than 1,

So 2?

Help!!!! wrote: »

how many is FG running?
Yes ready

I have no idea I'm not a member of Fine Gael.

Assetbacked · 23-07-2019 2:52pm

SporadicMan wrote: »

So these huge groups of majority young men hop on their little float boats, get picked up by NGOs, get brought to Europe and get resettled across a wide variety of countries.

The burden is then on the tax payer to support their lifestyles while they get bumped to the top of free housing lists, free spending money, all the time in the world to have plenty of kids. All the while I am paying my tax, working hard to save up the necessary money to live somewhere. Somewhere where my neighbour could very well be somebody who just came here and had the house given to them.

They don't get sent home. They can endlessly appeal any rejections to their asylum claims. The vast majority of deportation orders aren't carried out. They don't go to prison unless they do something truly horrible.

What the hell is happening to Ireland? Or Western Europe in general?

Why is there absolutely no sentiment towards defending the social cohesion of our country? Why do I have to work hard and struggle so these people can come here and get everything handed to them? Just because they made it to the middle of the sea and an NGO picked them up?

If this keeps up, there's going to be a total collapse of society. It's reaching absurd numbers in the last 10 years.

It's at the point where the only explanations that actually makes sense are the ones that would be deemed as 'tin foil hat'. What is the objective here? What does Ireland, and its people, gain from having 90% young male bogus asylum seekers coming to the country?

When did we become so ****ing soft? Something has to happen, I don't think people realise how quickly this stuff will tear the country apart once it's reached the right number to do so.

Why do we just have to accept that our country is fundamentally changing to its core? In 50 years, it'll be unrecognisable. Why is that an inherently good thing that can't be questioned? I want to live in Ireland with a majority of Irish people. Does that make me so bad? I want us to have a home too. Once Ireland's fundamentally changed, we'll be gone forever.

It's as simple as the above. Not a racist concern at all, just questioning the direction society is going. The EU project is about the integration of Europeans, not non-Europeans. The UK and French have their legacy with colonialism and Germany with the Nazis - Ireland has a clear conscience and should not therefore take the same policy approach as other countries. We are sold the stats of "growth" by Fine Gael Inc. which essentially means companies get bigger and hire more employees while the ordinary workers lose out as competition for jobs and downward wage pressure increases.

The social cost is already easy to predict; look at the rise of populism. It is not based on racism but based on frustration with the direction the supposed mainstream parties have gone. Trump, Brexit etc. are entirely understandable. The next GE in Ireland and the UK will be very interesting.

The Enbalmer · 23-07-2019 2:55pm

Help!!!! wrote:

Eastern Europe is OK at the moment & will continue as long as they keep Soros funded NGO's out

They actually have a populace with a sense of self worth and a bit of national and cultural pride.
Unlike this country where every step and word is dogged and monitored by socialists,students who live far from any area blighted by immigration...for example no Irish person from tyrellstown or ballbriggan would be trolling by defending immigration,they've already seen enough and this is just Act 1.

Cordell · 23-07-2019 2:55pm

SporadicMan wrote: »

I want Ireland to control its borders. I never brought up the EU.

If being a part of the EU means that as a country we can't control our own borders, then yes I absolutely want to leave.

Stop this nonsense, Ireland opted out of schengen so it's quite capable of controlling its own borders, if only wants to do so.

SporadicMan · 23-07-2019 2:57pm

Cordell wrote: »

Stop this nonsense, Ireland opted out of schengen so it's quite capable of controlling its own borders, if only wants to do so.

My response is based on him asking if I want to leave the EU. I didn't bring up the EU.

I merely said if the EU means we can't control our borders, then we should leave. If we can anyway, then his reply makes no sense. His fault, not mine.

SporadicMan · 23-07-2019 2:59pm

The Enbalmer wrote: »

They actually have a populace with a sense of self worth and a bit of national and cultural pride.
Unlike this country where every step and word is dogged and monitored by socialists,students who live far from any area blighted by immigration...for example no Irish person from tyrellstown or ballbriggan would be trolling by defending immigration,they've already seen enough and this is just Act 1.

It's interesting how rapidly we've become this weird country. I remember when I was younger, the sentiment around this stuff was *very* different.

Crazy how quickly it can change. We're basically full of open border advocates now who value non-Irish over their own people. Or they don't even see Ireland as a country of Irish people anymore. It's sad, I want to go back to before, even if it means less variety in food :rolleyes:

Cordell · 23-07-2019 3:05pm

SporadicMan wrote: »

My response is based on him asking if I want to leave the EU. I didn't bring up the EU.

I merely said if the EU means we can't control our borders, then we should leave. If we can anyway, then his reply makes no sense. His fault, not mine.

It's not necessarily your reply, it's a general idea thrown around that we can't refuse asylum seekers because of the EU open borders, which is total nonsense. Same was said to justify brexit, just as much nonsense.

biko · 23-07-2019 3:05pm

Boggles wrote: »

Who gets to decide which decisions are important enough?

You? The 12 guys on here constantly banging on about migrants?

Of all the things we need to solve, this would be pretty low on the list if you actually put it to the general populous.

Did you notice this is a migrants thread? Read the title...

Feel free to start threads on other things you think is important instead of trying to dilute this one

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 3:07pm

SporadicMan wrote: »

It's interesting how rapidly we've become this weird country. I remember when I was younger, the sentiment around this stuff was *very* different.

Crazy how quickly it can change. We're basically full of open border advocates now who value non-Irish over their own people. Or they don't even see Ireland as a country of Irish people anymore. It's sad, I want to go back to before, even if it means less variety in food :rolleyes:

Too many brainwashed in Uni's & the MSM

Calhoun · 23-07-2019 3:07pm

The Enbalmer wrote: »

I don't see why Islamic and African migration needs to be addressed by the west when none of their neighbours are willing to take them in.

Quatar,i believe has taken the grand total of feck all from Syria.

Yahir Stale Piranha wrote: »

It's not like Merkel or the trafficking orgs consulted in solidarity with all the member states, and it's not as easy as defining if someone (undocumented) is a vegatarian or not.

Perhaps the EU's future is in zones e.g. NW (Ire, Scandis, Holland, France) Central, South and Eastern blocks. Much like it was when joined back in '73.

While i generally disagree with taking them in on one level, as i think the countries that waging the war in those areas should be the ones who are doing the heavy lifting for now it has been decided that the EU will be supportive.

As we are a member of the EU and expect support when it comes to brexit ect we have to show support back.

This does not mean we should not be able to put our own checks and balances in place, it also as i said means we should be in a position to push back on economic migrants.

Lets face it our current immigration system is a basket case and it could all do with a overhaul.

Boggles · 23-07-2019 3:07pm

Assetbacked wrote: »

. The next GE in Ireland and the UK will be very interesting.

In what sense?

The UK will be, but how will Ireland?

FF will probably swap places with FG and the rest will be divided among the other parties and the Indos.

I'd hardly call that very interesting.

The only aspect of it that may be interesting is if we get the grand coalition, which we won't.

Ireland agrees to plan on migrant resettlement

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