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    #32
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Nothing to do with Syria. Those migrants for Wicklow are coming from Nigeria, DRC, and some other African state.

    The op was right, 'economic' tourists.

    Albanians and Brazilians mostly actually


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    #33
    topper75
    Registered Users Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    With respect to the town and its tourism interests, this is just a sideshow.

    It is the latest in a series of such, each of them attempting to distract from the disaster that is the system as a whole.

    When you zoom out and look at it - you see people in there for 10 years with deportation orders issued against them and they are still floating around in the system.

    Cases need to be heard faster to:

    a - filter out chancers living off our backs
    b - provide timely resolutions to those actually deserving asylum

    The appeals element of the process appears to particularly unwieldy and unfit for purpose.
    When this is fixed, there is no need for any Wicklow hotel to be requisitioned.


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    #34
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,970 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    cfuserkildare wrote: »
    The Grand Hotel in Wicklow was the center of a thriving music scene, only Wedding destination in the town too.

    However, the new management started raising prices by hundreds of percent until no-one could afford to rent the space.

    Again, I ask, what do the locals think about this?


    ...they worry that the sheep brothel will be re-purposed next?


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    #35
    mammajamma
    Registered Users Posts: 431 ✭✭mammajamma


    It's totally cool, boys and girls.

    Irish people don't want to live outside Dublin, so we'll fill her up with money sponges from the arse ends of nowhere.

    Meanwhile, nobody can afford to live in Dublin.

    Classic pincer manoeuvre, this is the sensible planning and future we want for ourselves and children.


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    #36
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Of course funds have to do with housing. The govt has a finite budget. We already spend over E800m in foreign aid, then import or grant leave to remain to "refugees" and give them housing etc which also costs.

    I really didn't think that would need to be explained but jaysus!!!!

    Nicely put!


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    #37
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,770 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    Albanians and Brazilians mostly actually


    Im just going by the news report earlier today.


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    #38
    mammajamma
    Registered Users Posts: 431 ✭✭mammajamma


    sheesh wrote: »
    I apologise for bringing some reality into this bitchfest bu we do have international commitments to take some of these refugees.

    we took the kosovars in in the 90s and they seem to fitted in just fine

    International "commitments", when they are nationally detrimental, can take a long walk off a short pier.


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    #39
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    sheesh wrote: »
    I apologise for bringing some reality into this bitchfest bu we do have international commitments to take some of these refugees.

    we took the kosovars in in the 90s and they seem to fitted in just fine

    I apologise for bringing some reality into this bitchfest bu we have a veto on bringing in refugees as per the Nice (I believe) revote. So we have absolutely zero obligations/commitment to take anyone.


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    #40
    mammajamma
    Registered Users Posts: 431 ✭✭mammajamma


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    How many will you be taking?

    Oh don't worry about it, there isn't a single chance it crossed their mind. Not unlikely that the person isn't even Irish.

    Don't blame them, blame us for allowing this joke to continue.


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    #41
    Pretzill
    Registered Users Posts: 4,683 ✭✭✭Pretzill


    There's great money in direct provision. I don't mean to be cynical but I don't believe the refugees housed there get all that money can buy. As usual there are fat cats making a fortune out of other people's misery.


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    #42
    Graniteville
    Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Graniteville


    Riskymove wrote: »
    well the flip side is that if there was only one hotel and the owners decided that a better option is to close as a hotel, then I imagine there is not a lot of tourists in the town to begin with

    supply and demand...

    At least refugees who mostly come from horrendous conditions don't insist on 4 bed house with front and back garden next door to their mammy.


    If you had access to the housing list, you'd have quite a different attitude. A large number on the list expect/demand everything for free and will contribute nothing to the economy.

    At least refugees want to integrate as quickly as possible and get working and contributing.

    Simce law on work was changed in July, over 500 people in direct provision are working and contributing to the costs and obviously spending in local shops


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    #43
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Well was the last time the Irish went abroad seeking refugee status? Thousands emigrated for work though.

    and thousands of Irish living off welfare in the UK, USA and Canada.


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    #44
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Graniteville wrote: »
    At least refugees who mostly come from horrendous conditions don't insist on 4 bed house with front and back garden next door to their mammy.


    If you had access to the housing list, you'd have quite a different attitude. A large number on the list expect/demand everything for free and will contribute nothing to the economy.

    At least refugees want to integrate as quickly as possible and get working and contributing.

    Simce law on work was changed in July, over 500 people in direct provision are working and contributing to the costs and obviously spending in local shops

    Proof please. Thank you


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    #45
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I apologise for bringing some reality into this bitchfest bu we have a veto on bringing in refugees as per the Nice (I believe) revote. So we have absolutely zero obligations/commitment to take anyone.

    Ireland made a commitment about 3 or 4 years ago to take in 4000 refugees.
    Hardly a large number.


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    #46
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,770 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Graniteville wrote: »
    At least refugees who mostly come from horrendous conditions don't insist on 4 bed house with front and back garden next door to their mammy.


    If you had access to the housing list, you'd have quite a different attitude. A large number on the list expect/demand everything for free and will contribute nothing to the economy.

    At least refugees want to integrate as quickly as possible and get working and contributing.

    Simce law on work was changed in July, over 500 people in direct provision are working and contributing to the costs and obviously spending in local shops

    Would that be the crowd Peter Casey was highlighting during the election whilst the mainstream parties were defending them?


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    #47
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Graces7 wrote: »
    and thousands of Irish living off welfare in the UK, USA and Canada.

    UK is within EU so anyone from Europe can go there. USA doesn't exactly provide welfare. Not sure about Canada, but if they are claiming welfare they would be there legally and aren't there as "refugees", same with USA.


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    #48
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Pretzill wrote: »
    There's great money in direct provision. I don't mean to be cynical but I don't believe the refugees housed there get all that money can buy. As usual there are fat cats making a fortune out of other people's misery.

    And not to mention the public (licence fee) money that is the glowing advert for direct provision and the demonisation of any who dare criticise it.


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    #49
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    topper75 wrote: »
    With respect to the town and its tourism interests, this is just a sideshow.

    It is the latest in a series of such, each of them attempting to distract from the disaster that is the system as a whole.

    When you zoom out and look at it - you see people in there for 10 years with deportation orders issued against them and they are still floating around in the system.

    Cases need to be heard faster to:

    a - filter out chancers living off our backs
    b - provide timely resolutions to those actually deserving asylum

    The appeals element of the process appears to particularly unwieldy and unfit for purpose.
    When this is fixed, there is no need for any Wicklow hotel to be requisitioned.

    Requisitioned?

    I must have missed the part where the government seized the hotel for this purpose.
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Of course funds have to do with housing. The govt has a finite budget. We already spend over E800m in foreign aid, then import or grant leave to remain to "refugees" and give them housing etc which also costs.

    Once again the housing crisis is caused by one thing. A lack of affordable housing in overpopulated areas. Affordable housing by definition is not something a private company can supply without the government footing the bill. The current government have not commissioned the building of these houses out of lack of money but out of a devotion to the private market that they believe will fix itself on the principle of supply and demand. We could have a surplus of billions and FG would still not invest in solving the housing crisis as it goes against one of their core principles.
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I apologise for bringing some reality into this bitchfest bu we have a veto on bringing in refugees as per the Nice (I believe) revote. So we have absolutely zero obligations/commitment to take anyone.

    Ya know, besides on the grounds of human decency.


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    #50
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    Requisitioned?

    I must have missed the part where the government seized the hotel for this purpose.



    Once again the housing crisis is caused by one thing. A lack of affordable housing in overpopulated areas. Affordable housing by definition is not something a private company can supply without the government footing the bill. The current government have not commissioned the building of these houses out of lack of money but out of a devotion to the private market that they believe will fix itself on the principle of supply and demand. We could have a surplus of billions and FG would still not invest in solving the housing crisis as it goes against one of their core principles.



    Ya know, besides on the grounds of human decency.

    I'll play my teeny tiny violin for them.


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    #51
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    And not to mention the public (licence fee) money that is the glowing advert for direct provision and the demonisation of any who dare criticise it.

    Pretty sure everyone criticizes direct provision, whether they are pro or anti immigration.

    Some of us believe its an inhumane way of dealing with refugees/immigration and others believe those in direct provision should just be deported.


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    #52
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I'll play my teeny tiny violin for them.

    Great, we're clear on what kind of person you are.

    It really shouldn't be that much of a radical idea to help your fellow man. Especially from those harping on about "looking after our own first".


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    #53
    cfuserkildare
    Registered Users Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭cfuserkildare


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Ireland made a commitment about 3 or 4 years ago to take in 4000 refugees.
    Hardly a large number.

    And yet, in that 4 year period Ireland has taken in over 40 thousand refugees!!


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    #54
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Graces7 wrote:
    and thousands of Irish living off welfare in the UK, USA and Canada.


    I have to call bs on that one tbh.


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    #55
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    Pretty sure everyone criticizes direct provision, whether they are pro or anti immigration.

    Some of us believe its an inhumane way of dealing with refugees/immigration and others believe those in direct provision should just be deported.

    Inhumane ? Fed, watered, clothed, pocket money, all of our taxes ? Try getting that from somewhere else.


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    #56
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Inhumane ? Fed, watered, clothed, pocket money, all of our taxes ? Try getting that from somewhere else.

    Don’t forget all of the free legal aid you could ever want for appeal after appeal after appeal.


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    #57
    pablohoney87
    Registered Users Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Inhumane ? Fed, watered, clothed, pocket money, all of our taxes ? Try getting that from somewhere else.

    Basic human rights you mean? Ya know, the kind prisoners get too. Shock horror :eek:


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    #58
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Don’t forget all of the free legal aid you could ever want for appeal after appeal after appeal.

    True story!


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    #59
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    ai kopsht është shumë i vogël për një trampoline


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    #60
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    pablohoney87 wrote: »
    Basic human rights you mean? Ya know, the kind prisoners get too. Shock horror :eek:

    No one asked them to come here, in fact they're breaking the law by being here.

    We owe them zilch.


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    #61
    Graniteville
    Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Graniteville


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Proof please. Thank you

    Margaret Cash


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