Heavyweight Boxing

squinn2912 · 13-10-2019 8:27pm

walshb wrote: »

And I don’t see the likes of AJ or Wilder, with their height and size and range having too much difficulty getting to Usyk, both from long and mid range..

I could see even Whyte, Povetkin or pulev giving him his fill of it

walshb · 13-10-2019 8:29pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

I could see even Whyte, Povetkin or pulev giving him his fill of it

Yeh, possibly..AP looks well past it, though..

Two convicted drugs cheats. Throw in Fury, and Ring top ten has 3 dopers...

murphyebass · 13-10-2019 8:37pm

Speaking of dopers what’s the story with Whyte?

squinn2912 · 13-10-2019 8:37pm

walshb wrote: »

Yeh, possibly..AP looks well past it, though..

Two convicted drugs cheats. Throw in Fury, and Ring top ten has 3 dopers...

3 convicted dopers.... bleak isn’t it? Problem in most individual and combat sports. Look at the sprinters

walshb · 13-10-2019 8:46pm

murphyebass wrote: »

Speaking of dopers what’s the story with Whyte?

Waiting for UKAD to complete its investigations/case....

I have no clue on the B sample.....

Alf Veedersane · 13-10-2019 8:48pm

The Nal wrote: »

Good interview.

Good reminder. Had just a finished the Lennox Lewis one from a few months back, which was good as well.

normanoffside · 13-10-2019 8:50pm

walshb wrote: »

Waiting for UKAD to complete its investigations/case....

Waiting for UKAD to give up/run out of funds.

normanoffside · 13-10-2019 9:03pm

Just to show what a Hypocrite Eddie Hearn is, he dismisses Spong's excuse but used the exact same one for Dillian Whyte.

https://twitter.com/EddieHearn/status/1183041309851947008

walshb · 13-10-2019 9:27pm

And Frank Warren the same. He castigated Whyte, yet conveniently forgets about Fury...

Bobby Baccala · 14-10-2019 6:54pm

Anyone else here think a prime Vitalli handles all the current heavys easily? Same goes for Wlad as boring as they could be.

NewMan1982 · 14-10-2019 7:18pm

Bobby Baccala wrote: »

Anyone else here think a prime Vitalli handles all the current heavys easily? Same goes for Wlad as boring as they could be.

It’s hard to say. With the exception of Lewis they’d probably be his best challengers.

walshb · 14-10-2019 8:00pm

Bobby Baccala wrote: »

Anyone else here think a prime Vitalli handles all the current heavys easily? Same goes for Wlad as boring as they could be.

Yes. Vitali goes through them with ease...KOs all..

yourdeadwright · 15-10-2019 10:57am

Vitali with ease ? really ?

Vitali was good but Ko them all with ease is a bit much , Del boy , Briggs Johnson, Hoffman, all went 12 rounds with Vitali ,Christ Chris Byrd beat him, To say he'd ko the current crop with ease is nonsense,

Don't get me wrong hes very a good fighter but he wouldn't roll over any of todays top 5 with ease even in his prime they would be good hard fights ,

Mantis Toboggan · 15-10-2019 11:05am

It's always easy to say it in hindsight though.

Reality is that if Vlad had retired in 2014 then we'd be saying the same thing about him that he'd take the current crop easily.

Nobody wound have thought that Fury could school him in his own back yard.

Mike9832 · 15-10-2019 11:07am

squinn2912 wrote: »

3 convicted dopers.... bleak isn’t it? Problem in most individual and combat sports. Look at the sprinters

Every strength sport

Many think no olympic gold weightlifter has been clean for 40 years

Big baby miller at 320lbs vs Adamek was an eye opener to me

Sure he carried some fat, but take away some and he was 250lbs+ of muscle underneath that layer of fat, that's some size/power

Bobby Baccala · 15-10-2019 11:08am

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

It's always easy to say it in hindsight though.

Reality is that if Vlad had retired in 2014 then we'd be saying the same thing about him that he'd take the current crop easily.

Nobody wound have thought that Fury could school him in his own back yard.

Meh Wlad was ancient at that stage doesn't change my opinion on him tbh, few years earlier and he would have walked through Fury. If you think he schooled him you should watch that fight.

Bobby Baccala · 15-10-2019 11:12am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Vitali with ease ? really ?

Vitali was good but Ko them all with ease is a bit much , Del boy , Briggs Johnson, Hoffman, all went 12 rounds with Vitali ,Christ Chris Byrd beat him, To say he'd ko the current crop with ease is nonsense,

Don't get me wrong hes very a good fighter but he wouldn't roll over any of todays top 5 with ease even in his prime they would be good hard fights ,

Reads like you just read his record on Wikipedia and made your mind up, he fought all those blokes at the death of his career so has nothing to with a prime Vitalli (even though he still handled them all) and everyone knows what happened in the Byrd fight

yourdeadwright · 15-10-2019 11:16am

Bobby Baccala wrote: »

Meh Wlad was ancient at that stage doesn't change my opinion on him tbh, few years earlier and he would have walked through Fury. If you think he schooled him you should watch that fight.

Styles make fights there is no time that Wlad would have walked through Fury, Fury said for a long time his size and movement would make him beat Wlad and he was right,

He couldn't work Fury out at all and that wouldn't have changed ,Fury done what Fury does ...enough to win ,

In a rematch Wlad would have had to go for broke and god knows what would happen but he'd lost every time they fought first if you get me,

normanoffside · 15-10-2019 11:31am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Vitali with ease ? really ?

Vitali was good but Ko them all with ease is a bit much , Del boy , Briggs Johnson, Hoffman, all went 12 rounds with Vitali ,Christ Chris Byrd beat him, To say he'd ko the current crop with ease is nonsense,

Don't get me wrong hes very a good fighter but he wouldn't roll over any of todays top 5 with ease even in his prime they would be good hard fights ,

Yeah, I think Vitali is retrospectively over rated. Don't get me wrong, he was a very good fighter and probably the best of his little 10 year spell after Lewis but he was very injury prone and didn't have the 1 punch knockout power of Wlad.
Del Boy gave him a tough fight and he didn't dominate.

yourdeadwright · 15-10-2019 11:43am

normanoffside wrote: »

Yeah, I think Vitali is retrospectively over rated. Don't get me wrong, he was a very good fighter and probably the best of his little 10 year spell after Lewis but he was very injury prone and didn't have the 1 punch knockout power of Wlad.
Del Boy gave him a tough fight and he didn't dominate.

People look back at him and over rate him, Although he was one of the best fighter of his "TIME" which was a pretty bad time for heavy weights,

Unfortunately or maybe fortunately for him he didn't fight any really big names bar Lewis , even then we didn't get to see the full fight,

Also don't forget that was Lewis last fight and him at the end of his days ,

normanoffside · 15-10-2019 11:52am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Although he was one of the best fighter of his "TIME" which was a pretty bad time for heavy weights,

Yeah the names on his record Post Lewis are a sad indictment of the time.

Kevin Johnson (pts), Chisora (pts) Briggs (Pts), Peter (already past it), Sosnwoski (KO 10), Solis, Williams etc.

Very poor spell for HW

The Nal · 15-10-2019 11:55am

Signed up for the ESPN player trial really to watch 42 to 1. The Tyson/Douglas documentary. Decent watch. Anyone with an inside track on Tyson at the time really should've seen it coming.

walshb · 15-10-2019 12:19pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Vitali with ease ? really ?

Vitali was good but Ko them all with ease is a bit much , Del boy , Briggs Johnson, Hoffman, all went 12 rounds with Vitali ,Christ Chris Byrd beat him, To say he'd ko the current crop with ease is nonsense,

Don't get me wrong hes very a good fighter but he wouldn't roll over any of todays top 5 with ease even in his prime they would be good hard fights ,

Vitali was an old man when he beat up plodder Del Boy....

I was taking all at peak......

Yes, I would bet he decimates the likes of Del Boy at peak....

Also, decimates Wilder......AJ, who Andy Ruiz stopped......

Fury? Hmm, maybe he could make it 12....but no surprise at all that Vitali walks straight through him to stop him...

normanoffside · 15-10-2019 1:11pm

walshb wrote: »

V

I was taking all at peak......

When was Vitali's peak?

Bobby Baccala · 15-10-2019 1:46pm

normanoffside wrote: »

When was Vitali's peak?

Before his first retirement do you not agree?

walshb · 15-10-2019 2:54pm

normanoffside wrote: »

When was Vitali's peak?

No exact time

His best performances were in the early/mid noughties. His wins over Corrie Sanders, Danny Williams and his showing vs Lewis, were all great shows....

normanoffside · 15-10-2019 3:18pm

walshb wrote: »

No exact time

His best performances were in the early/mid noughties. His wins over Corrie Sanders, Danny Williams and his showing vs Lewis, were all great shows....

I don't think taking 8 rounds to get rid of Williams was great, and he lost to Lewis who was supposed to be fighting an easy opponent in his retirement fight.

After Williams he went on a 4 year injury break.

Like yourself I think Prime Vitali would beat most of the current crop fairly easily but his resume doesn't stand up to even the Lewis/Bowe/Holyfield era (never-mind being considered an all time great).

walshb · 15-10-2019 3:22pm

normanoffside wrote: »

I don't think taking 8 rounds to get rid of Williams was great, and he lost to Lewis who was supposed to be fighting an easy opponent in his retirement fight.

After Williams he went on a 4 year injury break.

Like yourself I think Prime Vitali would beat most of the current crop fairly easily but his resume doesn't stand up to even the Lewis/Bowe/Holyfield era (never-mind being considered an all time great).

I see what you mean.

But he beat who was around during his time..

"Fight for fight fantasy" based, he would be top ten ever....

He would be hell for any fighter ever...

For me , only a prime Tyson, 70s Foreman, 90s Bowe/Holyfield, LL would be ones I'd have some sort of confidence to beat him...

yourdeadwright · 15-10-2019 3:25pm

walshb wrote: »

No exact time

His best performances were in the early/mid noughties. His wins over Corrie Sanders, Danny Williams and his showing vs Lewis, were all great shows....

Danny William's was a journey man ?

Most consider his best win was Sander's that says it all really ,
Plus Sanders was 38 at that stage ,

Vitali isn't blowing any of todays to heavy weights away, He'd give them decent fights , I suspect he'd lose to most of them ,

Bobby Baccala · 15-10-2019 3:26pm

walshb wrote: »

For me , only a prime Tyson, 70s Foreman, 90s Bowe/Holyfield, LL would be ones I'd have some sort of confidence to beat him...

Larry Holmes on a good day

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