Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

hatrickpatrick · 02-02-2018 6:05pm

It was such a stupid thing to do, tbh it really baffles me. Rest of the hit team specifically wore counterfeit ERU uniforms so they could hide their faces, why the hell did one of them (not saying it's the guy currently on trial unless he's convicted obviously) decide to do the drag thing instead?

Lifelong suppressed crossdressing fantasies? Decided this might be his last chance to live out his dream given the risk of being shot and killed during the attack?

Captain Obvious · 02-02-2018 6:07pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It was such a stupid thing to do, tbh it really baffles me. Rest of the hit team specifically wore counterfeit ERU uniforms so they could hide their faces, why the hell did one of them (not saying it's the guy currently on trial unless he's convicted obviously) decide to do the drag thing instead?

Lifelong suppressed crossdressing fantasies? Decided this might be his last chance to live out his dream given the risk of being shot and killed during the attack?

He could have been the scout.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 02-02-2018 6:09pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I think the the gangs in Chicago and Memphis are not seen as organised crime in the states,
They tend to only use that terminology organised Crime for Cartel's and Mafia in the states, the shooting's in Chicago are seen as street gangs, who tend to stick to there own [font=Arial","sans-serif]Neighbourhood ,I know its still murder and gangs but there seen differently[/font]
[font=Arial","sans-serif]The US see Organised Crime as a treat to the nation but street gangs are a locally based issue to the Police or FBI[/font]

Yeah that's pretty much it. Street gangs are not on the FBI radar, that's an issue for local law enforcement.

FBI tend deal with high level organised crime, like you mentioned, Mexican Cartels, Italian Mafia, Russian Mob.

SEPT 23 1989 · 02-02-2018 6:46pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It was such a stupid thing to do, tbh it really baffles me. Rest of the hit team specifically wore counterfeit ERU uniforms so they could hide their faces, why the hell did one of them (not saying it's the guy currently on trial unless he's convicted obviously) decide to do the drag thing instead?

Lifelong suppressed crossdressing fantasies? Decided this might be his last chance to live out his dream given the risk of being shot and killed during the attack?

Because he could move freely inside the place and pick his moment

King of Kings · 02-02-2018 9:14pm

Benteke wrote: »

They could but my money is on him been fecked

judges are more likely to be ruled by the law and will certainly let a guilty person go if the evidence doesn't stack up whereas the average joe on the jury can (and is) swayed by emotion.
The judges can be heartless and driven by the law and evidence alone - same court let Gilligan go on the murder charge

in short , if I was him I'd be happier judges are reviewing that photo than the people in this thread.

ohnonotgmail · 02-02-2018 9:17pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It was such a stupid thing to do, tbh it really baffles me. Rest of the hit team specifically wore counterfeit ERU uniforms so they could hide their faces, why the hell did one of them (not saying it's the guy currently on trial unless he's convicted obviously) decide to do the drag thing instead?

Lifelong suppressed crossdressing fantasies? Decided this might be his last chance to live out his dream given the risk of being shot and killed during the attack?

well apart from the guy who thought a flat cap was a cunning disguise.

pablo128 · 02-02-2018 9:19pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well apart from the guy who thought a flat cap was a cunning disguise.

I'd say he knew he hadn't long left in this world and didn't give a fcuk. He died not long after from a degenerative disease.

Benteke · 02-02-2018 10:36pm

King of Kings wrote: »

judges are more likely to be ruled by the law and will certainly let a guilty person go if the evidence doesn't stack up whereas the average joe on the jury can (and is) swayed by emotion.
The judges can be heartless and driven by the law and evidence alone - same court let Gilligan go on the murder charge

in short , if I was him I'd be happier judges are reviewing that photo than the people in this thread.

Quite the opposite, it would be easier to get off if it was up to people on this thread, Do you know how many people walk from the special criminal courts? Answers on a post card

They pretty much gave Gilligan a murder charge with the drugs charge, Swings and round abouts they were going to do him whatever and they did just like everyone else that enters that courtroom

King of Kings · 02-02-2018 11:12pm

Benteke wrote: »

Quite the opposite, it would be easier to get off if it was up to people on this thread, Do you know how many people walk from the special criminal courts? Answers on a post card

you should check the stats

2015 most recent year
29 "outcomes" 16 acquittals....
quite a few acquittals me old flower - far from a foregone conclusion

I'll accept 2014 isn't a generous to the accused ....but the point remains.

Stats Galore !

http://www.courts.ie/Courts.ie/Library3.nsf/pagecurrent/7F9E6DAD609B2C888025802D002B407F?opendocument

Benteke wrote: »

They pretty much gave Gilligan a murder charge with the drugs charge, Swings and round abouts they were going to do him whatever and they did just like everyone else that enters that courtroom

this just isn't true - Gilligan is out and about quite some time
Brian Meehan is still pulling his flute in PortLaoise....despite being locked up before Gilliagan

go figure...

Benteke · 02-02-2018 11:28pm

King of Kings wrote: »

you should check the stats

2015 most recent year
29 "outcomes" 16 acquittals....
quite a few acquittals me old flower - far from a foregone conclusion

I'll accept 2014 isn't a generous to the accused ....but the point remains.

Stats Galore !

http://www.courts.ie/Courts.ie/Library3.nsf/pagecurrent/7F9E6DAD609B2C888025802D002B407F?opendocument

this just isn't true - Gilligan is out and about quite some time
Brian Meehan is still pulling his flute in PortLaoise....despite being locked up before Gilliagan

go figure...

He got the longest stretch for a drug crime in the history of the state, It's obvious to many he got extra time for getting away with the murder charge as I said swings and round abouts

As for the acquittals, This is a feud that looks like it won't end anytime soon and the guy on trial has his face all over the papers with a gun in his hand, i knew who it was straight away and i'm sure the judges do too and that's why it's allowed in evidence, The guy sentenced to life last week got sent down because of dna evidence that was allowed even after they brought specialists over from the US to say their was a number of dna in the masks they used, Without going through all the other cases over the years to see what sort of evidence was used, i can only go by these 2 cases and to put it brutally as I can

He is fecked

refusetolose · 02-02-2018 11:38pm

michael o toole will be on the late late soon talking about the fued

https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/959487515462955008

avalidusername · 02-02-2018 11:59pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It was such a stupid thing to do, tbh it really baffles me..........decide to do the drag thing instead?

I find it strange too. The key to any disguise is being completely inconspicuous and not notable at all. Had it been a believable drag attempt then it may have been seen as a very well planned hit, however some of the Regency staff and event attendees court evidence a few weeks ago makes it out to be a bad attempt, thus quite conspicuous and a crap disguise. Dunno if I can post links but google accounts department regency drag from jan 12th, the Mirror and Times have reports on it.

I've never had reason to hide my identity, but if I did I wouldn't consider going in drag. Maybe shave the head or wear a believable mans wig (if such a thing exists), have a goatee or 'tache (assuming the hit was planned a while in advance), wear a pair of glasses, or a baseball cap, that kind of thing. I sure as hell wouldn't be stumbling in heels and trying to keep a long haired wig out of my face while trying to run from a murder scene!

KM792 · 03-02-2018 1:09am

Michael O'Toole just on the late late having his say...
As regards the Kinahan brothers,do they both reside in Dubai?Even with all that money it cannot be considered a good quality of life,if you are constantly looking over your shoulder and never quite living a "normal" life,are they ever spotted in public(shops,restaurants,etc?)
I remember seeing a photo posted to twitter last year of Daniel Kinahan in a London pub with Tyson Fury..hard to imagine you would walk into a bar and find him sitting having a drink..

King of Kings · 03-02-2018 10:03am

Benteke wrote: »

He got the longest stretch for a drug crime in the history of the state, It's obvious to many he got extra time for getting away with the murder charge as I said swings and round abouts

it wasn't the longest....
Judd Scanlon - 1999 and that sentence stood.
*although the conviction was later quashed in 2005

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/major-drugs-dealer-is-sentenced-to-22-years-in-prison-1.199988

Gilligan was convicted in 2002 and the sentence was 20 on appeal.

Benteke · 03-02-2018 12:10pm

King of Kings wrote: »

it wasn't the longest....
Judd Scanlon - 1999 and that sentence stood.
*although the conviction was later quashed in 2005

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/major-drugs-dealer-is-sentenced-to-22-years-in-prison-1.199988

Gilligan was convicted in 2002 and the sentence was 20 on appeal.

Edward Judd Scanlon who had been jailed for 22 years in 1999 for 22 for drugs offences. Scanlon, 56, later successfully appealed the sentence

He did not do 22 years, Back on topic

He is fecked

Suckit · 03-02-2018 1:13pm

KM792 wrote: »

I remember seeing a photo posted to twitter last year of Daniel Kinahan in a London pub with Tyson Fury..hard to imagine you would walk into a bar and find him sitting having a drink..

They have an entourage of bodyguards that will probably shoot first. Although they are probably less safe now if the rumours are to be believed. Some believe the Kinahans started the feud between the Turtles and another Dutch/Belgian gang that has spilled through Europe, and allegedly some Russians would like to see the back of them for creating so much attention. That coupled with the media reporting they are about to get kicked out of Dubai, and may have mounting evidence against them, they will do well to survive this year without any serious repercussions.

Benteke wrote: »

He got the longest stretch for a drug crime in the history of the state, It's obvious to many he got extra time for getting away with the murder charge..
He is fecked

OT, apologies, but Look up "White Boy Rick" I think there is a movie coming out this year or next. Just reminded me, he has watched murderers come and go while he is still locked up. Including people he helped put away for murder.
https://www.thefix.com/content/white-boy-rick-Richard-Wershe-Michigan-650-Lifer-Law-seth-ferranti0515

Benteke · 03-02-2018 4:37pm

Suckit wrote: »

OT, apologies, but Look up "White Boy Rick" I think there is a movie coming out this year or next. Just reminded me, he has watched murderers come and go while he is still locked up. Including people he helped put away for murder.
https://www.thefix.com/content/white-boy-rick-Richard-Wershe-Michigan-650-Lifer-Law-seth-ferranti0515

I read that story before, Detroit police corruption at it's finest

Cazale · 03-02-2018 5:08pm

Anybody see the footage of the afters of Derek Hutch funeral. It looked like Ireland were playing in the World Cup mixed with a rave.

Suckit · 03-02-2018 5:48pm

Cazale wrote: »

Anybody see the footage of the afters of Derek Hutch funeral. It looked like Ireland were playing in the World Cup mixed with a rave.

https://twitter.com/padraig_reilly/status/959792157828763649

pablo128 · 03-02-2018 6:46pm

It looks like he got a good send off.

SEPT 23 1989 · 03-02-2018 8:55pm

Is there a boxing competition on in Citywest tonight?

Joeseph Balls · 03-02-2018 9:03pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Is there a boxing competition on in Citywest tonight?

No citywest pulled out over the last few days I believe

Suckit · 03-02-2018 9:32pm

Suspects in Derek Coakley Hutch are two brothers. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/two-brothers-suspected-of-being-behind-killing-of-coakley-hutch-36563020.html
According to Mick the Hack last night on the LLS they are the same that shot Jason Molyneux, as he said he was their original intended target and they just took advantage of Derek Hutch being there, forcing them to postpone the hit on Molyneux for another time.

One of the brothers is suspected of a few murders now https://www.herald.ie/news/ontherun-triple-killer-is-busted-after-visiting-north-dublin-pub-31057349.html
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/killer-drank-tea-with-victims-mum-after-fatal-shooting-30647780.html
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/coroner-s-court/father-26-shot-dead-on-his-birthday-inquest-hears-1.2558540
and of the shooting of Anthony Ayodeji https://www.herald.ie/news/courts/owner-demands-return-of-car-linked-to-shooting-27889550.html

Steviesol · 03-02-2018 11:11pm

Interesting thread, I am all for justice, but I really think the special criminal court in Ireland should be done away with. It is totally illegal, and rather than the Irish state do something about it, instead they chose to pay a massive fine to Europe each year. That in a nutshell is wrong on so many levels.

farmerwifelet · 03-02-2018 11:21pm

we need the special criminal court. Some people are rightly terrified of these scum who will stop at nothing. who in their right mind would give evidence against them or be on a jury to convict them?
besides in lots of European countries there are no juries just judges.

ohnonotgmail · 04-02-2018 12:11am

Steviesol wrote: »

Interesting thread, I am all for justice, but I really think the special criminal court in Ireland should be done away with. It is totally illegal, and rather than the Irish state do something about it, instead they chose to pay a massive fine to Europe each year. That in a nutshell is wrong on so many levels.

What are you basing this on?

BillyBobBS · 04-02-2018 12:22am

Suckit wrote: »

https://twitter.com/padraig_reilly/status/959792157828763649

:pac: Yikes

KM792 · 04-02-2018 12:34am

Correct me if I'm wrong(I'm from the rebel county)..but isn't this a common thing in Dublin for funerals involving a young person?I remember last year,a young woman from Dublin tragically died and there was a DJ playing that night in some sort of clubhouse for her funeral.First I had heard of it myself but if its tradition for some,hey-ho..

the sheriff is HERE · 04-02-2018 1:04pm

KM792 wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong(I'm from the rebel county)..but isn't this a common thing in Dublin for funerals involving a young person?I remember last year,a young woman from Dublin tragically died and there was a DJ playing that night in some sort of clubhouse for her funeral.First I had heard of it myself but if its tradition for some,hey-ho..

i like the idea, "celebrate their life" rather than "mourn their death" i think.
wakes are also a big thing in dublin, i very rarely see them outside dublin.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2135055/kinahan-gang-to-be-investigated-by-fbi-and-dea-for-links-to-narco-terrorism-as-they-plot-joint-crackdown-on-mobs-multimillion-euro-smuggling-operations/

FEDS ON CASE Kinahan gang to be investigated by FBI and DEA for links to narco terrorism as they plot joint crackdown on mob’s multimillion euro smuggling operations
The Federal Bureau of Investigation hosted gardai in January after being told of the Irish mob’s links to narco terrorism last year, while the DEA is also to launch a probe

THE lethal Kinahan gang is now in the sights of two US law enforcement agencies.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation hosted gardai in January after being told of the Irish mob’s links to narco terrorism last year.

Drug Enforcement Administration officers have visited Ireland to plot a joint crackdown on Christy and Daniel Kinahan and their multimillion euro smuggling operations.

Both agencies are expected to step up their work with the Garda’s Drugs and Organised Crime Bureau, with more meetings already planned this year.

It is understood the FBI and DEA investigations were initially launched over the Kinahan gang’s links to Colombian narco terrorists.

Their interest heightened after Dubliner Joe ‘Packie’ Moore, 55, was strangled with shrink wrap near Medellin last May.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2134999/derek-bottler-devoy-ruled-out-as-suspect-in-murder-of-jason-molyneux-thanks-to-a-cup-of-tea/
DEREK ‘Bottler’ Devoy has been ruled out as a suspect in the murder of Jason Molyneux — thanks to a cup of tea.

The gangland thug was having a brew at his home in Ballymun, north Dublin, when ‘Buda’ was killed.

edit, the important question, what brand of tea does "bottler" drink?

Coffee Fulled Runner · 04-02-2018 4:07pm

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

wakes are also a big thing in dublin, i very rarely see them outside dublin.

It's the done thing having a wake in the west. I'd say it's abnormal not having one.

Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

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