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Handwriting decipher thread *must post link to full page*

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    #1112
    DunnoKidz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,587 ✭✭✭DunnoKidz


    Thanks mickmackey1!

    (I couldn't even come up with Chronic or Eyes, thanks for taking a look!)


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    #1113
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,108 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Something has been overwritten with something else, which makes it difficult. I don't know enough about eye conditions to suggest anything else.


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    #1114
    Diaell
    Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭Diaell


    Looking to find out the location if anyone could help. My great-grand parents were married in Castlemartyr church in the district of Midleton. I cant make out the second area. I'm guessing its an townland near there, I know my great-grandmother was from cork but no Idea where. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks


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    #1115
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Ballindinis

    There's 3 places called that though: civil parish is the 6th column and they're all in Middleton PLU.

    Ballindinis 110 Cork, E.R. Imokilly Mogeely Middleton Munster
    Ballindinis 37 Cork, E.R. Imokilly Ightermurragh Middleton Munster
    Ballindinis 2 Cork, E.R. Imokilly Killeagh Middleton Munster

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    #1116
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,108 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Three Ballindinis townlands according to seanruad:

    Ballindinis 110 Cork, E.R. Imokilly Mogeely Middleton Munster
    Ballindinis 37 Cork, E.R. Imokilly Ightermurragh Middleton Munster
    Ballindinis 2 Cork, E.R. Imokilly Killeagh Middleton Munster


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    #1117
    Diaell
    Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭Diaell


    spurious wrote: »
    Three Ballindinis townlands according to seanruad:

    Ballindinis 110 Cork, E.R. Imokilly Mogeely Middleton Munster
    Ballindinis 37 Cork, E.R. Imokilly Ightermurragh Middleton Munster
    Ballindinis 2 Cork, E.R. Imokilly Killeagh Middleton Munster
    Thanks for the quick reply and info, that should help me a good bit now to hopefully find out some more info.


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    #1118
    yaledo
    Registered Users Posts: 249 ✭✭yaledo


    I'd love some help with entry #12 on this marriages file from Athy Parish register - marriage of John Curry (or Currey) and Bridget Brennan in May 1864.

    http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633306#page/47

    The ink is very faded, and I can barely make out a thing. Maybe a more practiced eye could discern some more detail. Lowering the brightness and inverting the colour seemed to give the clearest view for me.

    It looks to be the same as the marriage recorded at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZ3-WV8 - though the dates are a few days apart.

    He was a coachman. They lived in Higginsons Lane, Athy according to their daughter's birth record in 1872.
    They later moved to Galway, where he died (a widower) in 1900. Their granddaughter Maire Lally was married to renowned Galway athlete Thomas Hynes.


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    #1119
    shanew
    Registered Users Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    that page is very bad... not seeing much for that entry so far...

    there is a matching partial extract of the civil record on FamilySearch which adds a few details - see John Curry & Bridget Brennan married 3rd May 1864 at "St Michael, Kild, Ireland". A reference to page 350 is mentioned which matches this index record confirming Athy district as the location. The extract includes father's names as John Curry & James Brennan, but does not include residences for the bride & groom, occupations or names of witnesses - a civil cert would show these. The church record looks like it includes mother's name .. possibly first name only.


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    #1120
    shanew
    Registered Users Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    cleaned up the image a little... there's a lot of noise so not that much more showing up

    432743.jpg

    RootsIreland has a transcript which gives John's residence as 'Plewmans Row' and his father as John Curry and Bridget's residence as Rockfield and her father James Brennan. Witnesses are Patt. Gaffney and Eliza Flynn.


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    #1121
    DunnoKidz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,587 ✭✭✭DunnoKidz


    I would grateful for anyone's attempt to guess the birth month listed on the last line of this damaged document? The surname for Mary was also cutoff, so am doing a bit of creative searching for an infant birth and death not listed elsewhere. Thanks much!


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    #1122
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,302 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Can you provide a link to the source of the image?

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    #1123
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    I'd guess June.

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    #1124
    DunnoKidz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,587 ✭✭✭DunnoKidz


    Thanks! :)

    :o I am not entirely sure how to provide a link from an ancestry subscription.


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    #1125
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,302 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Well even a description of the source would suffice.

    Being able to see the full image is often a great help when trying to decipher hard-to-read script.

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    #1126
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Looking for more eyes on the middle case please - there's a couple of words I can't make out.

    Defendent .... not allow his ...... to wander (?) the 20th day of April 1863 on the public road at Mountrath

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    #1127
    mickmackey1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    Defendant did allow his one ass to wander.


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    #1128
    oceanclub
    Registered Users Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭oceanclub


    Would appreciate help with this:

    https://imgur.com/Rwc7Xd7

    Trying to figure out the bride's father's first name and confirm the bride's address which I think is 8 Lurgan Street?

    P.


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    #1129
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    I see Lurgan St too and firstname of father is William.


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    #1130
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,302 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    pedroeibar1 wrote: »
    I see Lurgan St too and firstname of father is William.

    For what it's worth I'd second that.

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    #1131
    KildareFan
    Registered Users Posts: 683 ✭✭✭KildareFan


    Sigh.... I had thought it was only doctors and parish priests who didn't care whether their records were legible or not. Did the registrars making records of births/marriages/deaths not realise that their scribbles would render some records useless where it wasn't possible to make out for sure what the names and addresses were? I've come across countless GRO images which have been transcribed incorrectly because the transcriber wasn't familiar with the name or address.


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    #1132
    oceanclub
    Registered Users Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭oceanclub


    What's the story with 'Unknown' <Surname> birth certs? I notice these crop up quite a lot with children born in hospitals. Was it just the case a registrar would immediately record the birth without asking the family what the intended forename was? :)


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    #1133
    AreWeAlone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 28 ✭AreWeAlone


    KildareFan wrote: »
    Sigh.... I had thought it was only doctors and parish priests who didn't care whether their records were legible or not. Did the registrars making records of births/marriages/deaths not realise that their scribbles would render some records useless where it wasn't possible to make out for sure what the names and addresses were? I've come across countless GRO images which have been transcribed incorrectly because the transcriber wasn't familiar with the name or address.
    Not directly related but... when you see the bride and groom's signature on a marriage cert, is that their actual signature or merely that of whoever transcribed the copy? Thanks.


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    #1134
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,302 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    If I'm not mistaken the certs we view for research purposes are transcripts of the original registers so the signatures are not the handwriting of the parties to the marriage.

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    #1135
    AreWeAlone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 28 ✭AreWeAlone


    Hermy wrote: »
    If I'm not mistaken the certs we view for research purposes are transcripts of the original registers so the signatures are not the handwriting of the parties to the marriage.
    Thanks. I thought the same, it's just I've seen one or two where the handwriting looks different from the rest of the entry.


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    #1136
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    oceanclub wrote: »
    What's the story with 'Unknown' <Surname> birth certs? I notice these crop up quite a lot with children born in hospitals. Was it just the case a registrar would immediately record the birth without asking the family what the intended forename was? :)

    Basically, yes. Very common problem in the Rotunda in particular.

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    #1137
    shanew
    Registered Users Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    often seem to have been registered in bulk by someone from the Hospital - sometimes see the same name as informant for a page of Hospital birth.


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    #1138
    tabbey
    Registered Users Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    KildareFan wrote: »
    Sigh.... I had thought it was only doctors and parish priests who didn't care whether their records were legible or not. Did the registrars

    Originally the registrars were the doctors. Later assisted by lay assistant registrars.

    A lay person only became registrar if the dispensary doctor did not want the job.
    In the first year, 1864, only one non-medical registrar was recorded in Thom's Directory for 1865. He was my great grandfather.


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    #1139
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,302 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    My g-g-grandfather - the doctor in Eyrecourt - was also a registrar.

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    #1140
    tabbey
    Registered Users Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    AreWeAlone wrote: »
    Not directly related but... when you see the bride and groom's signature on a marriage cert, is that their actual signature or merely that of whoever transcribed the copy? Thanks.

    The GRO books were copies transcribed by the local registrar at the end of each quarter, then sent to Dublin.
    It would not be possible to have the couple's signatures or those of the witnesses, on these copies. I doubt if their signatures were on the original local book either, as the priest / clergyman was responsible for registering the event, his signature would be the only real signature, and that only on the local copy.

    The registrar's signature is usually genuine, you can compare signatures on the GRO certs with their signatures on the census forms. This is easy in small towns, but still possible in the city.

    However it sometimes happens that the original registration was by the registrar, and the copy by the assistant registrar, or indeed by the deputy registrar, so then the signature would be non authentic.


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    #1141
    Whereisgerry?
    Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭Whereisgerry?


    Could some one cast their eye over this death record for the cause of death? Any ideas?


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