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N2 - Ardee to Castleblayney [preferred route published; ABP in 2022]

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So, adding 31km too.... Have more yellow/green lines on a map? There's literally dozens of more important schemes than this. And unlike other schemes like the Slane bypass, there is no factor of road design here involved in the sccidents. Unless being too straight and allowing for speeding is the issue? Where's the road improvement schemes for Inishowen or the N13, with its ridiculously poor safety record? They are all in worse physical condition than the N2.

    The accidents along this stretch have drastically reduced after the safety measures implemented a few years ago. The only recent accident involved the older part north of Carrickmacross with a lot of at-grade movements. Something that could be fixed with some roundabouts and reducing overtaking opportunities on the part immediately north of CMX.

    The only reason relevancy comes into it is because the border counties have no secondary route of any kind linking them cohesively, unless driving the incredible detour of the N53/N54 is a realistic option for some?

    It's also incorrect to say the rest is dualled. The N33, which DOES have the AAHT numbers to back up a dual carriageway, with practically minimal effort, is not in the NDP. As for the rest of the N2, the safety record of parts around Ashbourne is hardly great either and there's not even a route corridor yet for the Kilmoon cross scheme.

    I agree, this scheme isn't needed based on the whatiffery of a motorway/dual carriageway to Derry that's nowhere close to becoming a reality. If the money was instead dispersed to other schemes like the M20, M21, N5, N24, or indeed schemes that aren't even being considered for upgrade like the N15 Sligo to Leitrim border, I would see that as prudent and a better use of public money. This road upgrade is in no way a national or even regional priority.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    6th October 2020 - Public Consultation 3 update
    The Emerging Preferred Route Public Consultation is now complete and the project team would sincerely like to thank all those who contributed and participated in meetings (online, by phone or in person) with the project team. The information we have received will be of significant benefit to the conclusion of the current phase of the project and will help inform the next design phase also. The project team are still available to be contacted by phone or email, should you have any further queries.

    Hopefully see a preferred route early next year and then onto design & planning.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    Hopefully there's a proper cost-benefit analysis conducted to show the value of this project, and not based off accidents that were caused by speeding and unsafe driving.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Preferred route published: https://dsgis.jacobs.com/apps/n2monaghanlouth/a2c/feb2021/vol2/2a/7.%20A2C%20Preferred%20Route%20Corridor%20-%20Main%20Layout%20Plan.pdf

    Scheme will be a Type 2 dual carriageway/2+2.

    Engineering/environmental surveys/investigations: Now to Q3 2021
    Initial road design: Q2 - Q4 2021
    Consultation with landowners: Q4 2021/Q1 2022
    Finalise design/landtake/EIA and submission to ABP: Q2/Q3 2022


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  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan


    marno21 wrote: »
    Preferred route published: https://dsgis.jacobs.com/apps/n2monaghanlouth/a2c/feb2021/vol2/2a/7.%20A2C%20Preferred%20Route%20Corridor%20-%20Main%20Layout%20Plan.pdf

    Scheme will be a Type 2 dual carriageway/2+2.

    Engineering/environmental surveys/investigations: Now to Q3 2021
    Initial road design: Q2 - Q4 2021
    Consultation with landowners: Q4 2021/Q1 2022
    Finalise design/landtake/EIA and submission to ABP: Q2/Q3 2022

    They have superimposed the route on a pre-2001 map, with no N33... typical.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    They have superimposed the route on a pre-2001 map, with no N33... typical.

    N33 is on that map: bottom right corner; it's outside the study area, though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan


    KrisW1001 wrote: »
    N33 is on that map: bottom right corner; it's outside the study area, though.

    Must've missed that..Thanks.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    The new route follows the existing one exactly. Must be right beside it, a la N4 Collooney-Castlebaldwin.

    The N53 will follow the new dual closely at the north end. Really should be rerouted to hook into the dualler.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    spacetweek wrote: »
    The new route follows the existing one exactly. Must be right beside it, a la N4 Collooney-Castlebaldwin.

    Good chunks of it will surely be built online, as 2+2 there are no restrictions which would require an alternative route.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    The existing alignment is all fairly modern wide single carriageway and includes two grade-separated junctions at either end of Carrickmacross - an offline upgrade would have been very wasteful. Hopefully this is being used as a pilot for upgrading such routes to 2+2.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    KrisW1001 wrote: »
    The existing alignment is all fairly modern wide single carriageway and includes two grade-separated junctions at either end of Carrickmacross - an offline upgrade would have been very wasteful. Hopefully this is being used as a pilot for upgrading such routes to 2+2.


    Most of the route was a new cut since the 1980s and so suited to upgrade.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Will the two Monaghan N2 projects Main contact be tendered separately or as one big contract?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    roadmaster wrote: »
    Will the two Monaghan N2 projects Main contact be tendered separately or as one big contract?

    Separately, though both are progressing through planning at about the same speed.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    According to Eamon Ryan, this will commence construction in 2025. https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2021-03-24a.12


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Pre application consultation for this project has commenced with An Bord Pleanala


    https://www.pleanala.ie/en-ie/case/313155



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Sadly another 2 fatal crashes on this stretch of road in the last few days with 3 deaths in total. Very sad news, RIP to those involved.

    The design for this route is now online https://jacobs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=332f2324518048d2b973d2f5a9640c8c

    Work in progress as consultation continues with landowners. The new road includes an upgrade of the Carrickmacross bypass and features 8 grade separated junctions in total (5 new, 3 upgraded). It is mainly an online upgrade with short offline stretches where necessary. Looks to be a 2+2 cross section

    It is an absolute imperative that this goes ahead asap.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Nice map. Though the tie-in with the N52 Ardee Bypass isn't taken into account even though you can see the land for it marked out in the aerial imagery. On the N2 they have a new roundabout and side road indicated which will need to be redesigned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 38 Imeacht gan teacht ort


    I thought that the N52 Ardee bypass was to begin on the same roundabout at the south end of the new N2 scheme.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    The N2 roundabout will be fine; it’s the new side road indicated on the N2 map that clashes with the N52 scheme.



  • Registered Users Posts: 38 Imeacht gan teacht ort




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Updated design now published

    However, not enough funding was provided for 2023 so the project has now been suspended. The project is almost ready to submit to An Bord Pleanala as per the February 2023 update below

    https://n2monaghanlouth.ie/a2c-latest-news



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,234 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    rather than starting a new thread, anyone know why they've resurfaced the N2 from the M50 for a couple of kilometres north of there?

    i drive the road regularly enough and it wasn't in a condition which would have suggested the job was necessary.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭yannakis


    I was wondering the same.. maybe they wanted to spend some money for the fun of it 🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Why would they not keep this scheme tipping along? The government has the money and advancing it through the processes would seem to make sense.



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