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15-06-2019, 17:02   #31
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True. The US is really an oligarchy and a military oligarchy at that. Obama says he didn’t go into office to kill people but he ended up being pretty good at it.
Of course. There is so much money made from war and conflict. It's great for the us economy.
I would rather have the Us as world's leader than China or Russia. Although Russia is nowhere near as influential anymore while China is gaining more and more.
The trade war is a good thing.
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15-06-2019, 17:06   #32
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Donald won't start any wars unless there is an attack on American soil
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15-06-2019, 17:07   #33
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You think trump came up with the idea himself? Lol

There are agencies and military intelligence that put these ideas on file and hand it to him.
Get a grip.

On a personal note I would welcome another war in the middle East. No harm in letting those type know who is boss.

Trump inner circle plan I'd say. Elections are coming up and nothing Garner's votes like bombing the Arabs.
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15-06-2019, 17:11   #34
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Donald won't start any wars unless there is an attack on American soil
Not so sure about that. He’s always been anti Iran and most of his personal isolationism has gone by now.

That said he has to worry about how the war plays at home, it’s not 2003 and a lot of conservatives/republicans are newly isolationist. Furthermore a war with Iran could cause severe damage to shipping and oil, causing an economic threat to the US and Trumps Chance of re-election. To win he needs a good economy, as a necessary (if not sufficient) condition.
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Trump was elected on an isolationist policy so he'd look bad with mom and pop in the rust belt if he ended up flooding the gulf with military and then a shooting war broke out.
Which makes the fact he chose someone as hawkish as Bolton as his National Security Advisor so confusing. Maybe anyone sensible didn't want the job.
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Drumpfs a madman I'm surprised he hasn't started loads of war already
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Drumpfs a madman I'm surprised he hasn't started loads of war already
He probably learned from Obama's mistakes in that department so.
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You think trump came up with the idea himself? Lol

There are agencies and military intelligence that put these ideas on file and hand it to him.
Get a grip.

On a personal note I would welcome another war in the middle East. No harm in letting those type know who is boss.
Pretty easy to welcome a war when you're not the one who's going to get killed in it.
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Which makes the fact he chose someone as hawkish as Bolton as his National Security Advisor so confusing. Maybe anyone sensible didn't want the job.
The PNAC in '01 has a list of countries that they are to go to war with.
Iran and North Korea are the only ones left on the list.
Bush and Obama got so far in their terms, Trump is to carry it on. Bolton has been around since '01. As none on the list actually wages war on the US, excuses have to be fabricated. - WMDs, Gasing own people, IS etc and now oil tankers.
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Pretty easy to welcome a war when you're not the one who's going to get killed in it.
Of course. Are you Iranian? Do you live in Tehran?
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Many monobrows mulling. Hope uncle Mo stays out of harms way
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The PNAC in '01 has a list of countries that they are to go to war with.
Iran and North Korea are the only ones left on the list.
Bush and Obama got so far in their terms, Trump is to carry it on. Bolton has been around since '01. As none on the list actually wages war on the US, excuses have to be fabricated. - WMDs, Gasing own people, IS etc and now oil tankers.
PNAC was dissolved in 2006
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As of today he's not invaded another country yet so he's better than George W
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Curious if anyone here thinks Iran was actually involved? I don't think I've seen anybody other than the Americans claiming that they were
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Which makes the fact he chose someone as hawkish as Bolton as his National Security Advisor so confusing. Maybe anyone sensible didn't want the job.
It’s odd alright.

Here’s an interesting comments thread from the (obviously) right wing daily mail, sorted by best regarded. Assuming that people commenting here are not all from the guardian on tour this Iranian attack isn’t an easy sell as a pretext for war to the right or left.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mments-7141841
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