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16-06-2017, 22:38   #1171
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Let's face it, Corbyn did so well because he did what politicians are supposed to do in the run up to elections: promise lots of free goodies. Had the Brexit referendum included a condition for the 'IN' option that you could study folk music or sociology for three years at the taxpayer's expense, it would have been a landslide for remain. What surprises is the fact that nobody seems to realise that the last time there was a Corbyn style government in the UK it resulted in an IMF bailout and 15 years of Margaret Thatcher.
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16-06-2017, 23:15   #1172
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Let's face it, Corbyn did so well because he did what politicians are supposed to do in the run up to elections: promise lots of free goodies. Had the Brexit referendum included a condition for the 'IN' option that you could study folk music or sociology for three years at the taxpayer's expense, it would have been a landslide for remain. What surprises is the fact that nobody seems to realise that the last time there was a Corbyn style government in the UK it resulted in an IMF bailout and 15 years of Margaret Thatcher.
This is too simplistic an analogy. People here don't seem to be terribly driven by "freebies" as you so call them. Since 2010, there have been deep cuts which have affected the worst off in society while the top 1% have doubled their wealth. You can't expect people who are struggling to make ends meet to vote for more of the same when there is a man looking to invest in long term projects, stay in the all-important single market and project a message of hope whereas you had Theresa May looking to confiscate old people's homes after they die leaving any relatives who knows where.

I'm not a socialist and I didn't vote Labour. Breaking everything down to handing out freebies is simplistic bordering on disingenuous. Today's students are leaving University with over £50,000 debt and entering the labour market in cities where the dysfunctional housing markets will easily take half their net incomes. I don't think they want a rake of freebies so much as the reasonable expectations of being able to afford a home and having a good job.
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16-06-2017, 23:16   #1173
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Let's face it, Corbyn did so well because he did what politicians are supposed to do in the run up to elections: promise lots of free goodies. Had the Brexit referendum included a condition for the 'IN' option that you could study folk music or sociology for three years at the taxpayer's expense, it would have been a landslide for remain. What surprises is the fact that nobody seems to realise that the last time there was a Corbyn style government in the UK it resulted in an IMF bailout and 15 years of Margaret Thatcher.
He had some neck that Corbyn, running on a manifesto that wasn't costed unlike the Tories
oh wait, it was the other way around.

Anywhoo enough of the peanut gallery, one of the things Blair did very well when he first lead the labour party was that, while the tories were mired in sleaze and looking barely competent, he behaved like a man who was leading the UK even if he was not the PM. Corbyn has done the same during the current tragedy, probably without even meaning to. The public seemed to be looking to him to respond on their behalf.
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17-06-2017, 00:41   #1174
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He had some neck that Corbyn, running on a manifesto that wasn't costed unlike the Tories
oh wait, it was the other way around.
Costed? I could whip you up a 'costed' plan for Ireland to spend an extra two billion a year right now. Tax corporations, tax rich people, cut loop holes, etc, etc, get some projections, hey! Two billion euros! Public spending is very sticky i.e. it's hard to take back once the commitment has been made. The 2007/2008 banking collapse is too fresh in people's minds to believe that an extra few 'bill' can just be whipped up out of nowhere with no consequences or risk to the economy. But it's the usual left-wing economic ignorance with Corbyn that bothers me. It's shocking that in 2017 a candidate for Prime Minister can still be trotting out policies like rent control and printing money for public projects.
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17-06-2017, 00:51   #1175
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If the tories had a decent government he'd never get away with it,

But the tories are are even bigger mess. Its actually hard to see how he could be any worse at this stage.
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17-06-2017, 01:38   #1176
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It's shocking that in 2017 a candidate for Prime Minister can still be trotting out policies like rent control and printing money for public projects.
But the venerable Bank of England creating a third of a trillion GBP to prop up an ailing system is money well spent, is it? Yeah, sure thing. If they'd have spent a fraction of that third of a trillion GBP into the real economy they'd have gotten a much greater return on the 8p per £1 trickle-down idiocy that's considered economic wisdom.

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