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Ireland's Jewish community

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  • #92
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    The city of London ( rather than any group to do with Israel) are likely behind it, a PM like corbyn is terrifying to the 1%
    'What do you mean?' he asked, with a sigh.


  • #93
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    A load a jewish folk up near me. I only know because they've a museum near by, (which my Israeli friend finds hilarious for some reason - the idea of Irish Jews) and the lad in the local xtravision, back in the day was jewish. Mind the local synagogue became a Mosque of all things. Don't forget the Israeli Mossad with fake Irish passports, but I suppose that doesn't count.


    Mosque is across the road and down a bit from the old synagogue.


  • #94
    branie2
    Registered Users Posts: 10,288 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    A couple of my favourite actors and actresses are Jewish - William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy and Gwyneth Paltrow


  • #95
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    branie2 wrote: »
    A couple of my favourite actors and actresses are Jewish - William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy and Gwyneth Paltrow

    I kinda liked Gwyneth myself until the Goop disaster.


  • #96
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    'What do you mean?' he asked, with a sigh.

    I mean that corbyn would be bad news for the financial sector


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  • #97
    xiba vajo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13 ✭xiba vajo


    branie2 wrote: »
    A couple of my favourite actors and actresses are Jewish - William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy and Gwyneth Paltrow

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeJYCDgvbeE


  • #98
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    branie2 wrote: »
    A couple of my favourite actors and actresses are Jewish - William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy and Gwyneth Paltrow

    Paltrow isn't officially Jewish, her dad is but you need to have a Jewish mom to be officially Jewish, her mother is Christian

    Michael Douglas and Ben stiller are in the same boat

    In that industry it obviously makes sense to identify as Jewish given the chance


  • #99
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 18,895 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    I mean that corbyn would be bad news for the financial sector

    Corbyn is bad news for a number of sectors. The Blairites, who want to regain control of the party. He's bad news for the Tories who want to remain in power and he's bad news for the Likud who want to destroy any hope of a two State solution in Palestine.

    They are the actors who gain the most from ousting Corbyn.


  • #100
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,146 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    If so what mechanism was used to allow anti semites into the party.

    The obvious answer being they stopped asking people who wanted to be a member if they were anti semites.


  • #101
    nacho libre
    Registered Users Posts: 16,623 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Even Mr Hitler didn't come out and say "Lads, I'm an anti-semite". We kind of gathered it from inference.

    There is no way that Corbyn is anywhere near as close to being an anti-Semite of that nature. .

    Corbyn was very good friends with the late Walter Wolfgang. You might remember him from when he challenged Straw's nonsense at a conference and was subsequently marched out. If the party was rife with anti- semitism you'd wonder why the likes of Gerald Kaufman stayed a life long member.
    Also you might wonder how Miliband ever got to be leader of the party.
    If the problem has been endemic, Why were these concerns not raised under previous leadership?
    Why is it only coming to prominence now?


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  • #102
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,146 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Probably because people are more brazen as it appears the leadership does nothing about it, taking it almost as an endorsement. Similar to the far right in the states.


  • #103
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    Well then the propaganda has worked on you.

    Here’s a question: do people think that Labour was always anti Semitic or that it has only become so recently. If so what mechanism was used to allow anti semites into the party. If Corbyn is anti Semitic then why wasn’t this mentioned when he was a backbencher ?

    Indeed, it takes more than a few years for anti semetism to be systematic as is claimed, not a word about it while Gordon brown or Tony Blair were at the helm

    If anything you would expect more of it amongst tories as they traditionally tend to distrust anyone who isn't WASP

    That Muslims tend to vote Labour is not that relevant, Muslims would not have a significant role within the upper echelons


  • #104
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 18,895 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    That Muslims tend to vote Labour is not that relevant, Muslims would not have a significant role within the upper echelons

    Jews tend to vote Labour too, even with all of this smear campaign going on. Traditionally, the Labour Party has always been the more attractive political option for British Jews. In fact, Israel itself was generally seen as a rather lefty place for many years.

    This was until the Likud started to cosy up to right wing governments across the globe in a serious way. Now, all of a sudden, Labour are "anti Semitic".

    Strange that, innit.


  • #105
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Corbyn is bad news for a number of sectors. The Blairites, who want to regain control of the party. He's bad news for the Tories who want to remain in power and he's bad news for the Likud who want to destroy any hope of a two State solution in Palestine.

    They are the actors who gain the most from ousting Corbyn.

    Corbyn won't have any influence over what the Israeli government does

    I would not vote for a party with a leader as left wing as corbyn but I believe the media have treated him disgracefully, I don't believe the anti semetism lark either


  • #106
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 18,895 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Corbyn won't have any influence over what the Israeli government does

    No, but getting rid of him helps quash vocal support for a two state solution in Palestine.


  • #107
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    I'm the one who brought up anti semitism in the British Labour Party. I actually said I don't think Corbyn himself is anti Semitic, and I too thought that all the talk was a smear campaign just because Corbyn is a critic of Israel.

    Then I watched the Panorama investigation. I recommend watching it if you can. Extremely eye opening stuff. Still don't think Corbyn himself is anti Semitic but absolutely do think there is a very strong element of it in his wider party. It is other people in the Labour Party who are saying this, not just those outside it. And Jewish Labour Party members spoke about their experiences also.
    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    That labour party anti semetic hysteria is nothing but a carefully engineered smear job to prevent corbyn becoming PM, there was no talk of any of this when Labour had centrist leaders
    My follow-up post addressed that. The full-on socialist types stopped bothering with Labour for the Blair and Brown years. When Corbyn, one of their own, became Labour leader, they flocked in their droves to become involved again, and this has correlated with the rise in anti semitism.


  • #108
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Jews tend to vote Labour too, even with all of this smear campaign going on. Traditionally, the Labour Party has always been the more attractive political option for British Jews. In fact, Israel itself was generally seen as a rather lefty place for many years.

    This was until the Likud started to cosy up to right wing governments across the globe in a serious way. Now, all of a sudden, Labour are "anti Semitic".

    Strange that, innit.

    Knew that Jews tended to vote Labour, like I said the Conservatives tended to be a WASP only house or at least used to


  • #109
    sweet_trip
    Closed Accounts Posts: 275 ✭✭sweet_trip


    My great grandfather was around during the civil war era and the IRA etc.
    I don't remember the exact details but he was involved in a military sense.
    I remember him telling me about how executions used to happen in the barracks he was stationed in in west cork, IRA executions I think.



    I distinctly remember him telling me also about how the Jews were often burnt out of it and ran out of town by the Irish at the time as some of the IRA were quite supportive of Hitler.


    Somebody please correct me because I'm terrible with Irish history, and not sure if it was actually the IRA or opposing sides who were responsible for this.



    But yeah, apparently it happened regardless and a lot of this just never made the history books.

    He also told me of how some captured brits were executed in the most gruesome manner. Made to step on landmines.


  • #110
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I don't know any Jewish people now, but did back in the day. Grew up on one of the streets off Clanbrassil Street, very gentrified now of course. Back then lots of houses had Jewish families. You'd know by the mezuzah on the door. They were lovely people altogether, and we mixed well as kids.

    The orthodox Jews would give us money on a Friday to get the messages for them for Saturday. They were not allowed to handle money and a few other things that I have forgotten now. Their synagogue was up on Terenure Road having moved from Adelaide Road as the Jews moved further into the Terenure/Clanbrassil areas. There were kosher butchers on Clanbrassil street, many of them.

    A Mr. Coleman from our area owned a "walk around store" on Aungier Street, and some of my family members worked there on a Saturday because the owner was not allowed to handle money.

    They are all gone now, but there are some left probably in Terenure/Rathgar now. The rest went off to Israel.

    There are two Jewish cemeteries in Dublin, on off the North Strand and the other in Dolpins Barn. The Dolphins Barn cemetery famously was the place where the Gilligan gang stashed their weapons of destruction back then.

    Fascinating to me as I grew up around them. Sorry for the essay, here is a little info anyway.....

    https://www.dublincity.ie/dublin-buildings/terenure-synagogue


  • #111
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,146 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Gimme A Pound wrote: »
    The full-on trade socialist types stopped bothering with Labour for the Blair and Brown years. When Corbyn, one of their own became Labour leader, They flocked in their droves to become involved again, and this has correlated with the rise in anti semitism.

    It really is this simple. "New Labour" alienated them since Blair and his successors. Now certain types are returning and brining more extreme views. Corbyn hasn't done anything publicly, or apparently privately, to do anything about it so those views, as I said, become more brazen.

    Occams's razor. There's no grand City of London or media conspiracy against him.


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  • #112
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Indeed, it takes more than a few years for anti semetism to be systematic as is claimed, not a word about it while Gordon brown or Tony Blair were at the helm

    If anything you would expect more of it amongst tories as they traditionally tend to distrust anyone who isn't WASP

    That Muslims tend to vote Labour is not that relevant, Muslims would not have a significant role within the upper echelons

    Very few Muslim labour voters were accused of anti Semitism.

    There was one Muslim female Labour Party MP member (Naz Shah) who posted an image of Israel overlaid on the US, which was apparently the worst crime ever, but she did it during Ed Millibands reign during which time nothing was said. Then it was discovered by a hefty trawl though the tweets of all MPs a few years later.

    I think that was the start of the “Labour is anti Semitic” campaign although prior to that Corbyn was under attack for anti Israel and supposedly pro IRA sentiment. In fact his relations with the IRA dominated the first year or so.

    Remember, and this is telling, that the non collegial response of the then prime minister David Cameron to Corbyn’s election that he was.

    “A threat to our national security, to our economic security and to the security of your family”.

    Not sure about the family bit, Jeremy isn’t much of a philanderer, the economic stuff is standard Tory discourse about labour, but the national security stuff is fairly unique and hard hitting. Also first in the list. The most important thing.

    These kind of speeches are generally vetted by the civil service or the deep state, and therefore it’s clear that the powers that be were agin him from the start.

    The anti semitism thing is part of this campaign, the idea being that he is deselected by his own people before he comes to power and threatens national security by not invading countries that aren’t threats to the U.K.

    A very British coup.

    (Might be entertaining if he is prime minister to see the reaction)


  • #113
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 27,785 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    sweet_trip wrote: »
    I distinctly remember him telling me also about how the Jews were often burnt out of it and ran out of town by the Irish at the time as some of the IRA were quite supportive of Hitler.

    Haven't heard anything about that... there was a Limerick boycott in 1904 but it was a religious thing rather than IRA led:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ireland#World_War_II_and_aftermath

    And in the 1920s an IRA campaign targeted money lenders, many of which were Jewish.
    http://www.theirishstory.com/2011/08/24/the-1926-ira-campaign-against-moneylenders/#.XSeTdflKjIU

    I think most of the criticism was that the Irish government did not do more to help Jewish refugees.

    The IRA links to the Nazis are well known, and the shameful statue of a Nazi collaborator remains in Dublin - but I haven't heard about such overt attacks.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #114
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Hurrache wrote: »
    It really is this simple. "New Labour" alienated them since Blair and his successors. Now certain types are returning and brining more extreme views. Corbyn hasn't done anything publicly, or apparently privately, to do anything about it so those views, as I said, become more brazen.

    Occams's razor. There's no grand City of London or media conspiracy against him.

    Hang on. When has the British left historically been anti Semitic? What kind of anti historical cretinism is it to condemn the trade union movement as anti Semitic?

    It’s not the primarily city of London anyway, no more than any other labour leader, but of course capitalists will try discredit radical socialists. In other news the pope sh1ts inthe wood.

    (Or is that bears? I can never get that right).


  • #115
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    sweet_trip wrote: »
    My great grandfather was around during the civil war era and the IRA etc.
    I don't remember the exact details but he was involved in a military sense.
    I remember him telling me about how executions used to happen in the barracks he was stationed in in west cork, IRA executions I think.



    I distinctly remember him telling me also about how the Jews were often burnt out of it and ran out of town by the Irish at the time as some of the IRA were quite supportive of Hitler.


    Somebody please correct me because I'm terrible with Irish history, and not sure if it was actually the IRA or opposing sides who were responsible for this.



    But yeah, apparently it happened regardless and a lot of this just never made the history books.

    He also told me of how some captured brits were executed in the most gruesome manner. Made to step on landmines.

    It would take an entire thread to dismantle this utter bollocks.


  • #116
    Agent Smith
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,502 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Karl Marx.
    TheValeyard wrote: »
    He Dead

    His Spirit lives on in the PBP


  • #117
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    sweet_trip wrote: »
    My great grandfather was around during the civil war era and the IRA etc.
    I don't remember the exact details but he was involved in a military sense.
    I remember him telling me about how executions used to happen in the barracks he was stationed in in west cork, IRA executions I think.



    I distinctly remember him telling me also about how the Jews were often burnt out of it and ran out of town by the Irish at the time as some of the IRA were quite supportive of Hitler.


    Somebody please correct me because I'm terrible with Irish history, and not sure if it was actually the IRA or opposing sides who were responsible for this.



    But yeah, apparently it happened regardless and a lot of this just never made the history books.

    He also told me of how some captured brits were executed in the most gruesome manner. Made to step on landmines.


    I think you are mixing things up, Hitler was not around at the time of the Irish civil war or the war of independence. A small amount of Jewish people were forced to leave Limerick in the early 1900s, the instigator of this was a Redemptorists priest.


    The landmine incidents may have been when Irish national army troops tied IRA prisoners to mines and exploded them. In one such incident they murdered 9 prisoners.


  • #118
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I do realise that threads morph and go off in different directions, but this is about Jewish people in Ireland.

    Please start another thread about anti Semitism, the British Labour Party and so on, it doesn't seem right here.

    Social history is a great thing.


  • #119
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 18,895 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    It would take an entire thread to dismantle this utter bollocks.

    The amount of counter historical/factual gibberish and "utter bollocks" on this thread is absolutely staggering.

    Apparently the British Labour Party were always anti Semitic, except for the Blair years and the IRA were more interested in killing Jews than they were in tackling the British during the civil war.

    Talk about a post truth world. :rolleyes:


  • #120
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Agent Smith wrote: »
    His Spirit lives on in the PBP

    The stuff Marx Wrote of wasn't novel. Marx hung a sort of political framework on the 'Labour Theory of Value' but the idea predated him and persists long after his death.

    I'm not a fan of grand narratives but I do think Marxist notions of democratic control of the means of production will come into sharp focus in the years ahead with the rise of AI and automation.


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  • #121
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I don't know any Jewish people now, but did back in the day. Grew up on one of the streets off Clanbrassil Street, very gentrified now of course. Back then lots of houses had Jewish families. You'd know by the mezuzah on the door. They were lovely people altogether, and we mixed well as kids.

    The orthodox Jews would give us money on a Friday to get the messages for them for Saturday. They were not allowed to handle money and a few other things that I have forgotten now. Their synagogue was up on Terenure Road having moved from Adelaide Road as the Jews moved further into the Terenure/Clanbrassil areas. There were kosher butchers on Clanbrassil street, many of them.

    A Mr. Coleman from our area owned a "walk around store" on Aungier Street, and some of my family members worked there on a Saturday because the owner was not allowed to handle money.

    They are all gone now, but there are some left probably in Terenure/Rathgar now. The rest went off to Israel.

    There are two Jewish cemeteries in Dublin, on off the North Strand and the other in Dolpins Barn. The Dolphins Barn cemetery famously was the place where the Gilligan gang stashed their weapons of destruction back then.

    Fascinating to me as I grew up around them. Sorry for the essay, here is a little info anyway.....

    https://www.dublincity.ie/dublin-buildings/terenure-synagogue


    There is another Jewish cemetery below the hell fire club at woodtown.


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