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Does the Irish army do much to defend Ireland?

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    #92
    pablomakaveli
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    The camp in Athlone is more than sufficient for the army. We could enter into an agreement with the British to protect our air borders for a fraction of the cost of doing it ourselves.

    As a sovereign state we should really be protecting our own airspace ourselves not relying on a foreign country to do so.


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    #93
    cajonlardo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭cajonlardo


    Luckyfran wrote: »
    Public workers lol..... join the luas drivers. Ye a paid very well for doing what a private sector worker would call 'feck all'

    You didn't attempt to answer either of my questions - but sure never mind.

    I honestly don't have a clue what current PDF pay is like, good or bad.
    RTE did a report recently that mentioned something like 20 % of them receiving Family Income Supplement. Given that there are unlimited hours involved that doesn't sound like Luas Drivers to me.


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    #94
    Luckyfran
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭Luckyfran


    A fully 'qualified' soldier is on what ?


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    #95
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    cajonlardo wrote: »
    You didn't attempt to answer either of my questions - but sure never mind.

    I honestly don't have a clue what current PDF pay is like, good or bad.
    RTE did a report recently that mentioned something like 20 % of them receiving Family Income Supplement. Given that there are unlimited hours involved that doesn't sound like Luas Drivers to me.

    The people I know that joined the PDF certainly didn't do it for the pay, even after tech pay, promotions etc, it's still not fantastic.


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    #96
    expectationlost
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    ED E wrote: »
    Not that it really matters but it would be nice to see the PDF have at least a few mobile SAM platforms as a mild deterrent. But then I suppose we'd need the facility to actually monitor our airspace
    they do


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    #97
    questionmark?
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    Luckyfran wrote: »
    Public workers lol..... join the luas drivers. Ye a paid very well for doing what a private sector worker would call 'feck all'

    Luas drivers get way better pay for the work and hours they do compared to the average army personal. On another note the Luas drivers are private sector not public.


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    #98
    Parachutes
    Registered Users Posts: 975 ✭✭✭Parachutes


    Well, in terms of defending "Ireland" not much as a foreign invader occupies 1/6 of the island.


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    #99
    expectationlost
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    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Given that the point of an army is to secure a countries borders, defend against subversives/private armies etc the fact that the general area of our land border with NI meets both criteria, it would seem reasonable to have a base midway between Finner Camp and Co.Louth.
    The Navy, under resourced and toothless as it is, has some capability on our water's, while our air force is a joke. When Russian bombers were running dummy bombing exercises over our airspace we didn't even know they were there. We had to rely on the neighbours to keep us informed.

    Russian bombers have not been in nor over our airspace.


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    #100
    cajonlardo
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    Luckyfran wrote: »
    A fully 'qualified' soldier is on what ?

    If you are asking me, I posted already I haven't a clue what current pay is.


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    #101
    BoJack Horseman
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    expectationlost wrote: »
    Russian bombers have not been in nor over our airspace.

    The RAF sees to that.


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    #102
    Luckyfran
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    Parachutes wrote: »
    Well, in terms of defending "Ireland" not much as a foreign invader occupies 1/6 of the island.

    OH NO YOU DIDNT !!!!


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    #103
    questionmark?
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    Parachutes wrote: »
    Well, in terms of defending "Ireland" not much as a foreign invader occupies 1/6 of the island.

    The N.Ireland that the people of the Republic gave up a claim to in a democratic election? Damn democracy getting in your way of invaders claim.


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    #104
    Parachutes
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    questionmark? wrote: »
    The N.Ireland that the people of the Republic gave up a claim to in a democratic election? Damn democracy getting in your way of invaders claim.

    It was a remark made in jest, of course :)


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    #105
    Luckyfran
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭Luckyfran


    cajonlardo wrote: »
    If you are asking me, I posted already I haven't a clue what current pay is.

    Im assuming a soldier is on 40k
    after 5 years or so I wish you lads knew how lucky you are


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    #106
    BoJack Horseman
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    ED E wrote: »
    Not that it really matters but it would be nice to see the PDF have at least a few mobile SAM platforms as a mild deterrent. But then I suppose we'd need the facility to actually monitor our airspace and there's no hope of enough coppers for that.

    There are a handful of these...
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBS_70
    it's very modest though.

    The white paper commits to radar at some point in the next decade.... at a cost of just €10m


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    #107
    questionmark?
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    Parachutes wrote: »
    It was a remark made in jest, of course :)

    Fair enough. So much rubbish around here at the moment it's hard to tell who is serious and who is having a laugh.


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    #108
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    Its painfully obvious that those slating the Defence Forces have no idea what they do.

    I'd be fairly confident that those same people have forgotten or weren't born when the PDF were emptying bins during the rubbish strike...I can't imagine any of these imaginary Guards would do the same.


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    #109
    salmocab
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    Luckyfran wrote: »
    Im assuming a soldier is on 40k
    after 5 years or so I wish you lads knew how lucky you are

    i just had a quick google and after 5 years its 431 a week which means 22400 a year.


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    #110
    cajonlardo
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    Luckyfran wrote: »
    A fully 'qualified' soldier is on what ?
    Luckyfran wrote: »
    Im assuming a soldier is on 40k
    after 5 years or so I wish you lads knew how lucky you are

    Word to the wise : stop digging. Honestly. Its getting silly.


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    expectationlost
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    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    The RAF sees to that.

    the RAF has not actually stopped any Russian Bombers entering Irish or UK airpsace because why would Russia try to do that?


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    #112
    cajonlardo
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    Carmen Dry Stepmother wrote: »
    Its painfully obvious that those slating the Defence Forces have no idea what they do.

    I'd be fairly confident that those same people have forgotten or weren't born when the PDF were emptying bins during the rubbish strike...I can't imagine any of these imaginary Guards would do the same.

    Did that :D Gave me an apprecciation of what the bin men do


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    #113
    tac foley
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    the_syco wrote: »
    The english army would appear in the other 26 counties, as just like last time; someone would invite them in, and no-one would be able to make them leave.

    There is no such entity as the 'english army'.

    Most of us that spent time in the other six counties wish you joy of the twenty-six that you currently have.

    Please keep them in good health, and be happy that the many years of misery suffered by those who live there never came down to you to any great degree.

    tac


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    #114
    tac foley
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    wendell borton wrote: »
    Muslamic ray guns and the queen of England.

    Garbage.

    tac


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    #115
    tac foley
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    diomed wrote: »
    They stopped the English from invading and taking our wimmin and turf. 100% successful so far.

    More garbage.

    tac


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    #116
    Luckyfran
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭Luckyfran


    435 + 65 euro is for a 5 year soldier isnt great i thought they were on a lot more but look soldiers arent rocket scientests like the luas lads they have an inflateted view of themselves


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    #117
    salmocab
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    Luckyfran wrote: »
    435 + 65 euro is for a 5 year soldier isnt great i thought they were on a lot more but look soldiers arent rocket scientests like the luas lads they have an inflateted view of themselves

    who have an inflated view the soldiers or the luas drivers?


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    #118
    Jimlh86
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    cajonlardo wrote: »
    The Gardai have not got the experience to tackle ied disposal.

    And they never will have. What personal experience have you to comment on EOD as a matter of interest?

    EDIT : Also can you comment on how you'd fund Garda pay with overtime as opposed to a Soldier on a fixed wage? Question has been asked several times in this thread but no answers?

    It would be handy enough fund if the cuts to the army as suggested were implemented.....


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    #119
    Luckyfran
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭Luckyfran


    Tbh anytime i hear the public sector i wanna puke.


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    #120
    salmocab
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    Luckyfran wrote: »
    Tbh anytime i hear the public sector i wanna puke.

    great input


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    #121
    Grab All Association
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    ]I once seen the Irish Defence Forces up at the Devil's Bit Templemore. They lit the fire by rubbing sticks together, erected their tents, stitching badges on their vest and were singing camp fire songs.



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