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Italian daughter convinced her Italian Catholic family to join ISIS

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    #62
    donegaLroad
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    josephryan1989 wrote: »
    This story is absolutely astonishing horrifying and terrifying:



    How is it possible for people to go from being thoroughly Western to adopting Islamic extremism and going so far as to journey to Syria to join Islamic State?

    There are numerous other stories of Westerners many of them educated who once drank, smoked dope, liked pop music, were educated, fun loving and apparently normal within the space of a few years not just converting to Islam but becoming a full blown raving religious lunatic and joining terrorist organisations.

    Recently the controversial author Michel Houellebecq wrote a satirical novel called Submission in which France becomes an Islamic state as secular French society gives in and adopts Islam.

    Could his comic novel actually be prophetic and that many more people will readily adopt Islam due to their disillusionment with Western society?

    they are from southern Italy.. southern Italy is not thoroughly western, and in fact shares cultural similarities with north african Islamic countries. For example, women in Calabria are treated as domestic slaves quite often, with the man being the dominant head of the home. Very often you will find women being treated as second class citizens in southern Italy.


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    #63
    The_Kew_Tour
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    Ireland will be Islamic state someday. Maybe not in our lifetime but our Grand Children's and beyond


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    #64
    JackHeuston
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    Sorry to revive an old topic, but they were back in the news today because of some updates on the sentences.

    Fatima's sister has been sentenced to 5 years and 4 months. One of the uncles of Fatima's husband has been sentenced to 3 years and 8 months, the other to 2 years and 8 months.

    Court will proceed on Fatima (in Syria), her father (currently in prison awaiting trial) and her husband (in Syria) on the 13th of April. She'll hopefully get more than a few years of jail like the others...

    http://milano.repubblica.it/cronaca/2016/02/23/news/milano_fatima_a_processo_per_terrorismo_la_sorella_condannata_a_5_anni_e_4_mesi-134058616/


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    #65
    SEPT 23 1989
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    can they not just paint their bedroom walls black and listen to death metal like high strung teenagers used to do


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    #66
    kowloon
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    josephryan1989 wrote: »
    The mad thing is that typical ultra-left wingers are pro-gay, pro-women's rights, secular, anti-war and deeply secular but seem to shout down anyone who points out that the agenda of Al-Qaeda and ISIS and Hamas is murderously homophobic, misogynist, violent intolerant, anti-democratic and seeks to impose Sharia on unbelievers. When you try to debate these idiots they call you an "Islamophobe."

    It's almost like the terms left wing and right wing are insufficient for capturing the massive variety of opinions people have.


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    ScumLord
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    So, in Italy is it a crime to try and go to Syria? The impression I got at first is that the family are basically being emotionally blackmailed into going to Syria against their better judgement.


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    #68
    JackHeuston
    Registered Users Posts: 311 ✭✭JackHeuston


    As far as I know they are all suspects (and those ones mentioned were found guilty today) of organising a trip to Syria with terrorism purposes, which is a crime, yes. Then there is an infinite list of charges one could get in these cases, like being affiliated with a terrorist, international terrorism, etc... I'm no lawyer but simply encouraging someone to pursue their desire to become a terrorist is a crime. If the parents gave money to their daughter for that trip for example, well...

    Also, if Police suspect someone, they'll be usually jailed until the trial, since for this kind of crimes the risk of them fleeing the country before the hearing is very high.

    Harsh for the parents if they weren't really involved as much as their daughter. The mother died in prison btw.


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